On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

Are you really saying any box, magazine fed SA auto?
Also you are showing how much you are affected by the Acela corridor
bubble. How about that guy in Wyoming who is nowhere near a range but
he can shoot in the forest behind his house?
This is where an old states rights guy like me can compromise. If you
are living in Manhattan or Boston, it makes perfect sense that you
store your gun where you shoot it, assuming home defense is a throw
away right. If that is what law you want, go for it. Just don't get
the idea this should be a federal law.

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.

On 2/21/2018 9:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

Are you really saying any box, magazine fed SA auto?
Also you are showing how much you are affected by the Acela corridor
bubble. How about that guy in Wyoming who is nowhere near a range but
he can shoot in the forest behind his house?
This is where an old states rights guy like me can compromise. If you
are living in Manhattan or Boston, it makes perfect sense that you
store your gun where you shoot it, assuming home defense is a throw
away right. If that is what law you want, go for it. Just don't get
the idea this should be a federal law.

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.



No, I am not talking about any box, magazine fed SA auto rifle used for
hunting or recreational target practice.

I am talking about the models that are basically copies of military
style weapons. For some reason people, including some mentally unstable
people have a fascination with them as evidenced by the number of times
they are used in these mass shootings. Maybe it's because we've see
newscasts and videos of military personnel in Iraq or Afghanistan using
them on a daily basis for the last 17 years or maybe it's because we
see police departments being supplied with surplus military weapons and
gear. It's a cultural thing, not a gun thing.

Think back. When you were a kid how many policemen did you see walking
around in helmets, bullet proof vests and carrying a military style
weapon? You didn't. Cops wore blue uniforms, twirling a night stick
and carrying an inconspicuous sidearm.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:09:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/21/2018 9:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

Are you really saying any box, magazine fed SA auto?
Also you are showing how much you are affected by the Acela corridor
bubble. How about that guy in Wyoming who is nowhere near a range but
he can shoot in the forest behind his house?
This is where an old states rights guy like me can compromise. If you
are living in Manhattan or Boston, it makes perfect sense that you
store your gun where you shoot it, assuming home defense is a throw
away right. If that is what law you want, go for it. Just don't get
the idea this should be a federal law.

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.



No, I am not talking about any box, magazine fed SA auto rifle used for
hunting or recreational target practice.

I am talking about the models that are basically copies of military
style weapons. For some reason people, including some mentally unstable
people have a fascination with them as evidenced by the number of times
they are used in these mass shootings. Maybe it's because we've see
newscasts and videos of military personnel in Iraq or Afghanistan using
them on a daily basis for the last 17 years or maybe it's because we
see police departments being supplied with surplus military weapons and
gear. It's a cultural thing, not a gun thing.

Think back. When you were a kid how many policemen did you see walking
around in helmets, bullet proof vests and carrying a military style
weapon? You didn't. Cops wore blue uniforms, twirling a night stick
and carrying an inconspicuous sidearm.


I'd have no problem with some laws being changed military style weapons. Yeah, the NRA, of which
I'm a member (which I suppose makes me a racist terrorist) may have to swallow a small pill, but
they've done it before.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:09:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/21/2018 9:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

Are you really saying any box, magazine fed SA auto?
Also you are showing how much you are affected by the Acela corridor
bubble. How about that guy in Wyoming who is nowhere near a range but
he can shoot in the forest behind his house?
This is where an old states rights guy like me can compromise. If you
are living in Manhattan or Boston, it makes perfect sense that you
store your gun where you shoot it, assuming home defense is a throw
away right. If that is what law you want, go for it. Just don't get
the idea this should be a federal law.

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.



No, I am not talking about any box, magazine fed SA auto rifle used for
hunting or recreational target practice.

I am talking about the models that are basically copies of military
style weapons. For some reason people, including some mentally unstable
people have a fascination with them as evidenced by the number of times
they are used in these mass shootings. Maybe it's because we've see
newscasts and videos of military personnel in Iraq or Afghanistan using
them on a daily basis for the last 17 years or maybe it's because we
see police departments being supplied with surplus military weapons and
gear. It's a cultural thing, not a gun thing.

Think back. When you were a kid how many policemen did you see walking
around in helmets, bullet proof vests and carrying a military style
weapon? You didn't. Cops wore blue uniforms, twirling a night stick
and carrying an inconspicuous sidearm.

Again you are describing a mental problem. Maybe we should disarm
Hollywood. If you think it is a gun problem, any box fed SA is pretty
much like any other. They pretty much all take hi cap magazines.
OTOH people have caused plenty of damage with less capable fire arms.
The guy who shot up the Navy Yard used a pump shotgun. Ft Hood was a
handgun.

On 2/22/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:09:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/21/2018 9:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

Are you really saying any box, magazine fed SA auto?
Also you are showing how much you are affected by the Acela corridor
bubble. How about that guy in Wyoming who is nowhere near a range but
he can shoot in the forest behind his house?
This is where an old states rights guy like me can compromise. If you
are living in Manhattan or Boston, it makes perfect sense that you
store your gun where you shoot it, assuming home defense is a throw
away right. If that is what law you want, go for it. Just don't get
the idea this should be a federal law.

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.



No, I am not talking about any box, magazine fed SA auto rifle used for
hunting or recreational target practice.

I am talking about the models that are basically copies of military
style weapons. For some reason people, including some mentally unstable
people have a fascination with them as evidenced by the number of times
they are used in these mass shootings. Maybe it's because we've see
newscasts and videos of military personnel in Iraq or Afghanistan using
them on a daily basis for the last 17 years or maybe it's because we
see police departments being supplied with surplus military weapons and
gear. It's a cultural thing, not a gun thing.

Think back. When you were a kid how many policemen did you see walking
around in helmets, bullet proof vests and carrying a military style
weapon? You didn't. Cops wore blue uniforms, twirling a night stick
and carrying an inconspicuous sidearm.

Again you are describing a mental problem. Maybe we should disarm
Hollywood. If you think it is a gun problem, any box fed SA is pretty
much like any other. They pretty much all take hi cap magazines.
OTOH people have caused plenty of damage with less capable fire arms.
The guy who shot up the Navy Yard used a pump shotgun. Ft Hood was a
handgun.



Why are the AR-15 style rifles the most popular weapon being sold in the
USA today?

On 2/22/18 11:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:09:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/21/2018 9:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges.Â* They
cannot be removed from the range.Â* Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault
weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing.Â* It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed.Â* As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims,Â* mental health professionals need
to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report
anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat.Â* The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others."Â*Â* He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

Are you really saying any box, magazine fed SA auto?
Also you are showing how much you are affected by the Acela corridor
bubble. How about that guy in Wyoming who is nowhere near a range but
he can shoot in the forest behind his house?
This is where an old states rights guy like me can compromise. If you
are living in Manhattan or Boston, it makes perfect sense that you
store your gun where you shoot it, assuming home defense is a throw
away right. If that is what law you want, go for it. Just don't get
the idea this should be a federal law.

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.



No, I am not talking about any box, magazine fed SA auto rifle used for
hunting or recreational target practice.

I am talking about the models that are basically copies of military
style weapons.Â* For some reason people, including some mentally unstable
people have a fascination with them as evidenced by the number of times
they are used in these mass shootings.Â* Maybe it's because we've see
newscasts and videos of military personnel in Iraq or Afghanistan using
them on a daily basis for the last 17 yearsÂ* or maybe it's because we
see police departments being supplied with surplus military weapons and
gear.Â* It's a cultural thing, not a gun thing.

Think back.Â* When you were a kid how many policemen did you see walking
around in helmets, bullet proof vests and carrying a military style
weapon?Â*Â* You didn't.Â* Cops wore blue uniforms, twirling a night stick
and carrying an inconspicuous sidearm.

Again you are describing a mental problem. Maybe we should disarm
Hollywood. If you think it is a gun problem, any box fed SA is pretty
much like any other. They pretty much all take hi cap magazines.
OTOH people have caused plenty of damage with less capable fire arms.
The guy who shot up the Navy Yard used a pump shotgun. Ft Hood was a
handgun.



Why are the AR-15 style rifles the most popular weapon being sold in the
USA today?



Many reasons, but one is that for a high-powered easy to customize
semi-auto rifle that shoots a high speed round, they are...cheap when
new and even cheaper used, and in many states you can buy one privately
without any background check.

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Why are the AR-15 style rifles the most popular weapon being sold in the
USA today?

......

Because they “play the part�. Light and accurate.

Though I consider my Steyr AUG a superior weapon, nobody wants one of those Star Wars looking things. But the ease of disassembly and barrel interchange is attractive if you wanna be “tactical�. I like it...

But the AR is “Made in USA “ and the platform for a host of different cartridges. And they look way cool compared to an AK-47/74

Anyhow, back to the Steyr...

https://sofrep.com/68224/steyr-aug-m...odular-rifles/

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Why are the AR-15 style rifles the most popular weapon being sold in the
USA today?

Cheap, reliable, customizable, lots of cheap ammo and great marketing.

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

7:57 AMKeyser Soze
On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

——-

When was a .357 cheap and quiet to shoot?