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On Monday, 26 February 2018 08:31:31 UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 23:02:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 15:34:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/25/2018 3:25 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 14:41:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/25/2018 2:08 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/18 1:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/25/2018 12:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 07:05:10 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:43:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:46:21 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:03:42 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 12:03 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:17:42 -0500, John H. wrote: I could see making an exception for an individual who has a DD 214 with the honorable discharge I would grant that exception to anything that has an age limit on it. Charles Whitman was honorably discharged from the Marines. Lee Harvey Oswald received a hardship discharge from the Marines. Timothy McVeigh was honorably discharged from the Army. Obviously, an honorable discharge wouldn't catch all the deviants. But how many of them used the weapons under discussion to shoot kids in the schools under discussion? Well Whitman used a rifle to shoot students but it was a bolt action, as was Oswald's., McVeigh didn't use a gun at all and racked up a much higher death count. I am not really sure what point they are making in an AR 15 rant. It really sounds more like my argument that banning ARs is pretty meaningless. Ask Harry. It was his rant against an honorable discharge. I tend to ignore his anti military rants. I understand that if he had served, that would be all we heard about. It's obvious Harry knows very little about the military other than what he's been told or heard.Â* He has already proven how easily he is influenced by others.Â* He parrots daily the latest DNC talking points. My point was that a honorable discharge shouldn't by itself be the qualifier for obtaining a firearm. The discharge in the cases I cited was not an indicator of decent behavior going forward. An age qualifier of 21 plus a good quality background check are more significant. I've lost what the original proposition was but I don't disagree with you. I had proposed a higher age requirement, at least 21, unless the individual had an honorary discharge DD 214. I wonder how many service members are discharged before turning 21 anyway, but I understand your point. Military service matures most. Very few, I'd reckon. Kiddy cruise. Join the navy reserves while in high school. When you graduated, went to basic and 2 years duty. Then discharged. At least when I was in high school. I don't think the Army ever had anything like that. The least time for a voluntary enlistment was three years. For a draftee, the time was two years. But draftees weren't drafted at 18 either. I was 21 when I got my notice. I stand corrected: https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...grow-the-army/ Something new, at least since I got out. |
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On 2/26/2018 8:39 AM, John H wrote:
On Monday, 26 February 2018 08:31:31 UTC-5, John H wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 23:02:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 15:34:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/25/2018 3:25 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 14:41:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/25/2018 2:08 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/18 1:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/25/2018 12:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 07:05:10 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:43:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:46:21 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:03:42 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 12:03 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:17:42 -0500, John H. wrote: I could see making an exception for an individual who has a DD 214 with the honorable discharge I would grant that exception to anything that has an age limit on it. Charles Whitman was honorably discharged from the Marines. Lee Harvey Oswald received a hardship discharge from the Marines. Timothy McVeigh was honorably discharged from the Army. Obviously, an honorable discharge wouldn't catch all the deviants. But how many of them used the weapons under discussion to shoot kids in the schools under discussion? Well Whitman used a rifle to shoot students but it was a bolt action, as was Oswald's., McVeigh didn't use a gun at all and racked up a much higher death count. I am not really sure what point they are making in an AR 15 rant. It really sounds more like my argument that banning ARs is pretty meaningless. Ask Harry. It was his rant against an honorable discharge. I tend to ignore his anti military rants. I understand that if he had served, that would be all we heard about. It's obvious Harry knows very little about the military other than what he's been told or heard.Â* He has already proven how easily he is influenced by others.Â* He parrots daily the latest DNC talking points. My point was that a honorable discharge shouldn't by itself be the qualifier for obtaining a firearm. The discharge in the cases I cited was not an indicator of decent behavior going forward. An age qualifier of 21 plus a good quality background check are more significant. I've lost what the original proposition was but I don't disagree with you. I had proposed a higher age requirement, at least 21, unless the individual had an honorary discharge DD 214. I wonder how many service members are discharged before turning 21 anyway, but I understand your point. Military service matures most. Very few, I'd reckon. Kiddy cruise. Join the navy reserves while in high school. When you graduated, went to basic and 2 years duty. Then discharged. At least when I was in high school. I don't think the Army ever had anything like that. The least time for a voluntary enlistment was three years. For a draftee, the time was two years. But draftees weren't drafted at 18 either. I was 21 when I got my notice. I stand corrected: https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...grow-the-army/ Something new, at least since I got out. All branches of the military are having difficulty in recruitment of new, qualified candidates. The main problem is that over 70 percent of today's youth are *not* qualified or do not meet the minimum standards for military service. Sad. https://news.usni.org/2017/10/12/panel-pentagon-facing-future-recruiting-challenge-due-lack-candidates |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:47:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/26/2018 8:39 AM, John H wrote: On Monday, 26 February 2018 08:31:31 UTC-5, John H wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 23:02:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 15:34:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/25/2018 3:25 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 14:41:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/25/2018 2:08 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/18 1:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/25/2018 12:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 07:05:10 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:43:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:46:21 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:03:42 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 12:03 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:17:42 -0500, John H. wrote: I could see making an exception for an individual who has a DD 214 with the honorable discharge I would grant that exception to anything that has an age limit on it. Charles Whitman was honorably discharged from the Marines. Lee Harvey Oswald received a hardship discharge from the Marines. Timothy McVeigh was honorably discharged from the Army. Obviously, an honorable discharge wouldn't catch all the deviants. But how many of them used the weapons under discussion to shoot kids in the schools under discussion? Well Whitman used a rifle to shoot students but it was a bolt action, as was Oswald's., McVeigh didn't use a gun at all and racked up a much higher death count. I am not really sure what point they are making in an AR 15 rant. It really sounds more like my argument that banning ARs is pretty meaningless. Ask Harry. It was his rant against an honorable discharge. I tend to ignore his anti military rants. I understand that if he had served, that would be all we heard about. It's obvious Harry knows very little about the military other than what he's been told or heard.* He has already proven how easily he is influenced by others.* He parrots daily the latest DNC talking points. My point was that a honorable discharge shouldn't by itself be the qualifier for obtaining a firearm. The discharge in the cases I cited was not an indicator of decent behavior going forward. An age qualifier of 21 plus a good quality background check are more significant. I've lost what the original proposition was but I don't disagree with you. I had proposed a higher age requirement, at least 21, unless the individual had an honorary discharge DD 214. I wonder how many service members are discharged before turning 21 anyway, but I understand your point. Military service matures most. Very few, I'd reckon. Kiddy cruise. Join the navy reserves while in high school. When you graduated, went to basic and 2 years duty. Then discharged. At least when I was in high school. I don't think the Army ever had anything like that. The least time for a voluntary enlistment was three years. For a draftee, the time was two years. But draftees weren't drafted at 18 either. I was 21 when I got my notice. I stand corrected: https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...grow-the-army/ Something new, at least since I got out. All branches of the military are having difficulty in recruitment of new, qualified candidates. The main problem is that over 70 percent of today's youth are *not* qualified or do not meet the minimum standards for military service. Sad. https://news.usni.org/2017/10/12/panel-pentagon-facing-future-recruiting-challenge-due-lack-candidates Saw that last time you mentioned it. Damn shame. But, I look at the 8-11 year-olds in the neighborhood, and about 90% of them are very overweight. And their parents buy them electric scooters. Unreal. |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:30 -0500, John H.
wrote: Kiddy cruise. Join the navy reserves while in high school. When you graduated, went to basic and 2 years duty. Then discharged. At least when I was in high school. I don't think the Army ever had anything like that. The least time for a voluntary enlistment was three years. For a draftee, the time was two years. But draftees weren't drafted at 18 either. I was 21 when I got my notice. I know some 18-19 year old draftees circa 65-66. Did you have a deferment? |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:28:10 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:44:16 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:30 -0500, John H. wrote: Kiddy cruise. Join the navy reserves while in high school. When you graduated, went to basic and 2 years duty. Then discharged. At least when I was in high school. I don't think the Army ever had anything like that. The least time for a voluntary enlistment was three years. For a draftee, the time was two years. But draftees weren't drafted at 18 either. I was 21 when I got my notice. I know some 18-19 year old draftees circa 65-66. Did you have a deferment? Not at all. I was drafted in 1965. All the guys I went in with that were drafted were about the same age. Maybe you had some buddies that volunteered for the draft? Maybe but one of the guys had his draft notice when he joined the marines at 19 (in 1966). I suspect the age started creeping down after 65 when we really admitted there was a war going on. |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:32:21 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:28:10 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:44:16 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:30 -0500, John H. wrote: Kiddy cruise. Join the navy reserves while in high school. When you graduated, went to basic and 2 years duty. Then discharged. At least when I was in high school. I don't think the Army ever had anything like that. The least time for a voluntary enlistment was three years. For a draftee, the time was two years. But draftees weren't drafted at 18 either. I was 21 when I got my notice. I know some 18-19 year old draftees circa 65-66. Did you have a deferment? Not at all. I was drafted in 1965. All the guys I went in with that were drafted were about the same age. Maybe you had some buddies that volunteered for the draft? Maybe but one of the guys had his draft notice when he joined the marines at 19 (in 1966). I suspect the age started creeping down after 65 when we really admitted there was a war going on. That could well be. In '67-'68 we got a huge shipment of McNamara's 100,000 troops in Germany. The Army was scraping the bottom of the barrel then, and we sure suffered for it. I left Germany for Vietnam at the end of '68, and I was glad to get away. |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:58:03 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:32:21 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:28:10 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:44:16 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:30 -0500, John H. wrote: Kiddy cruise. Join the navy reserves while in high school. When you graduated, went to basic and 2 years duty. Then discharged. At least when I was in high school. I don't think the Army ever had anything like that. The least time for a voluntary enlistment was three years. For a draftee, the time was two years. But draftees weren't drafted at 18 either. I was 21 when I got my notice. I know some 18-19 year old draftees circa 65-66. Did you have a deferment? Not at all. I was drafted in 1965. All the guys I went in with that were drafted were about the same age. Maybe you had some buddies that volunteered for the draft? Maybe but one of the guys had his draft notice when he joined the marines at 19 (in 1966). I suspect the age started creeping down after 65 when we really admitted there was a war going on. That could well be. In '67-'68 we got a huge shipment of McNamara's 100,000 troops in Germany. The Army was scraping the bottom of the barrel then, and we sure suffered for it. I left Germany for Vietnam at the end of '68, and I was glad to get away. My golfing buddy that I have known since 3d grade was one of those. He graduated from college in june of 68 and was drafted within 6 months. They ended up making him a computer guy in Germany. That is where he took up golf. |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:09:21 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:58:03 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:32:21 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:28:10 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:44:16 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:30 -0500, John H. wrote: Kiddy cruise. Join the navy reserves while in high school. When you graduated, went to basic and 2 years duty. Then discharged. At least when I was in high school. I don't think the Army ever had anything like that. The least time for a voluntary enlistment was three years. For a draftee, the time was two years. But draftees weren't drafted at 18 either. I was 21 when I got my notice. I know some 18-19 year old draftees circa 65-66. Did you have a deferment? Not at all. I was drafted in 1965. All the guys I went in with that were drafted were about the same age. Maybe you had some buddies that volunteered for the draft? Maybe but one of the guys had his draft notice when he joined the marines at 19 (in 1966). I suspect the age started creeping down after 65 when we really admitted there was a war going on. That could well be. In '67-'68 we got a huge shipment of McNamara's 100,000 troops in Germany. The Army was scraping the bottom of the barrel then, and we sure suffered for it. I left Germany for Vietnam at the end of '68, and I was glad to get away. My golfing buddy that I have known since 3d grade was one of those. He graduated from college in june of 68 and was drafted within 6 months. They ended up making him a computer guy in Germany. That is where he took up golf. If he graduated college and could read, he wasn't one of McNamarra's 100,000. |
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