On 2/16/2018 8:47 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died
Â* Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it.Â* There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there.Â* The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin:Â* What has this got to do with
Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the police
to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow much
latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after evaluation.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged adults...is
a peculiarly "American" phenom.

Here's an idea. Set up a fund to ask every American against gun violence
and loose gun laws to donate $5 to defeat Republican legislators who are
in the pocket of the NRA. Fifty million Americans donating $5 each would
put candidates in office who will put proper controls on the NRA and
those who oppose every rational idea to make us safer.


What makes you think you are sane enough or responsible enough to be a
gun owner?

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On 2/16/18 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko
and his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly defend
myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done.Â* I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession in
general.Â* All I've said is that it's not well understood, something that
even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see it
often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks in
interviews.Â* When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they can
only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental health
issues are not always clear orÂ* understood from a psychiatric point of
view.Â* Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject is
just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than you"
attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20 years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.




I don't know anyone in the biz who has ever claimed mental health issues
are completely understood. It is also true that very little about the
particulars of the mental health issues or treatment of Mr. Cruz have
been released. Most mental health issues, however, do not manifest
themselves in the ways those of Mr. Cruz has, assuming he does have
mental health issues. Many, maybe most people with serious mental health
issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy and
introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

We have serious firearm problems in this country.

Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -


We have serious firearm problems in this country.

——
Confiscation is the only answer. Harry be a leader by example and turn yours in. I’m sure you’ll feel better with a clear conscious

On 2/16/2018 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko
and his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly defend
myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done.Â* I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession in
general.Â* All I've said is that it's not well understood, something that
even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see it
often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks in
interviews.Â* When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they can
only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental health
issues are not always clear orÂ* understood from a psychiatric point of
view.Â* Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject is
just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than you"
attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20 years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.



When Fat Harry claims you don't know ****, you should take that as a
compliment. You wouldn't want to be a **** knower like him, would you?
I don't see that anyone needs to defend himself from accusations from
someone who is crazier than a bed bug.

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On 2/16/2018 10:00 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko
and his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on
pikes, eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly
defend myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done.Â* I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession
in general.Â* All I've said is that it's not well understood, something
that even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see
it often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks
in interviews.Â* When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they
can only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental
health issues are not always clear orÂ* understood from a psychiatric
point of view.Â* Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject
is just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than
you" attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20
years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.




I don't know anyone in the biz who has ever claimed mental health issues
are completely understood. It is also true that very little about the
particulars of the mental health issues or treatment of Mr. Cruz have
been released. Most mental health issues, however, do not manifest
themselves in the ways those of Mr. Cruz has, assuming he does have
mental health issues. Many, maybe most people with serious mental health
issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy and
introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

We have serious firearm problems in this country.

Only when they are in the wrong hands.
The issue is not about guns. It is about known nut cases slipping
through the cracks.

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:43:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died **at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko and
his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly defend
myself from his accusations.

Playing right into his hands. The idea that you need to defend yourself from Harry's garbage is not
rational.


It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done. I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession in
general. All I've said is that it's not well understood, something that
even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see it
often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks in
interviews. When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they can
only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental health
issues are not always clear or understood from a psychiatric point of
view. Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject is
just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than you"
attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20 years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.


We know he was treated for mental health issues.
We mental health issues caused him to kill a bunch of people.
We know the mental health issues were not cured.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died
Â* Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it.Â* There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there.Â* The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin:Â* What has this got to do with Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the police
to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow much
latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after evaluation.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged adults...is
a peculiarly "American" phenom.

Here's an idea. Set up a fund to ask every American against gun violence
and loose gun laws to donate $5 to defeat Republican legislators who are
in the pocket of the NRA. Fifty million Americans donating $5 each would
put candidates in office who will put proper controls on the NRA and
those who oppose every rational idea to make us safer.




Did those mental health professionals put his name in the do not buy
firearms database? Seems as if they could be liable for damages as he
legally bought the AR a year ago.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko
and his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly defend
myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done.Â* I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession in
general.Â* All I've said is that it's not well understood, something that
even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see it
often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks in
interviews.Â* When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they can
only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental health
issues are not always clear orÂ* understood from a psychiatric point of
view.Â* Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject is
just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than you"
attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20 years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.




I don't know anyone in the biz who has ever claimed mental health issues
are completely understood. It is also true that very little about the
particulars of the mental health issues or treatment of Mr. Cruz have
been released. Most mental health issues, however, do not manifest
themselves in the ways those of Mr. Cruz has, assuming he does have
mental health issues. Many, maybe most people with serious mental health
issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy and
introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

We have serious firearm problems in this country.


We have serious mental health issues in this country. My late Mother in
law was BiPolar. From at least her teen years until she passed at 82.
Lots of treatment. Even electroshock in the 50’s. Lithium only real
help, and even under a doctors care got lithium poisoning. Look at the
amount of street people who,are allegedly there because of mental health
issues. Not one of those “mental health professionals “ seems to have a
real clue about what to do!

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:47:15 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died
Â* Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it.Â* There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there.Â* The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin:Â* What has this got to do with Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the police
to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.

So after defending an ineffective FBI you are now defending a failing
mental health industry.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow much
latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after evaluation.

Bull****. It is just a revolving door where people *might* be held for
up to 72 hours but it seems to generally be over night. If they can
wake up feeling "all better" and survive a 20 minute "evaluation"
without ranting. biting foaming at the mouth or chewing on the
furniture, they get tossed back to the family or turned out on the
street. I am sure some medical professionals would disagree but this
is what the families and the cops who haul them in time after time
say.
If they can't maintain for a few hours, they stay for 3 days but they
still get kicked loose, particularly if they don't qualify for
Medicaid or have very good private insurance. A bronze plan is not
going to cut it.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged adults...is
a peculiarly "American" phenom.

"Murder" as a whole is an american problem. Life is cheap here. More
people are killed with bare hands here than get killed with these
"assault rifles" and twice as many people get killed with edged
weapons.
Most murders happen with handguns, not legally purchased and most are
involved with a violent drug trade or other gang activity. That is the
real thing that separates us from Europe. They can manage to sell
drugs without killing each other.