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[email protected] January 9th 18 05:05 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:39:34 -0500, John H
wrote:

My level of household electrical competency allows me to replace wall
switches and lightbulbs, and my plumbing competency allows me to replace
a toilet or its innards and replace and install a sink, faucet,
disposal, et cetera. I'd absolutely call a licensed plumber to handle
any repairs or replacements on the propane gas service or remove and
replace a water heater. I know you are more competent at these things
than I am, but...I'm not impressed with your level of finish work.


And if one tries, doesn't succeed, tries again and eventually succeeds, one has learned something.
In your case, nothing is learned but the cost of having someone else do the work.


It is interesting that as much as Harry likes to trash anyone who does
not have a college degree, he could not survive without those people.
I am sure most of them charge more per hour than he could dream to
ever make.

Bill[_12_] January 9th 18 05:07 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
John H wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:36:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low),
a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first
(and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short
trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the
charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the readings.
Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10 min.
cycles). A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles. However, John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds. That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition. I can also remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone. If I try doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".



Something to try. When working, mine will remote start, run for ten
minutes then stop. Then I can
remote start again, just as you can.

However, and you might check this with yours, at any time during the
first running period, I can do
the remote start sequence again and get an additional ten minutes added
to the time. That does count
as the second remote start, but it doesn't use the battery to do it.



I used to start my car when I returned from breakfast at a rooming house I
stayed in in Dayton, OH so it would warm up. Beat the heck out of getting
in a car when it was 10 degrees to go to work.


Bill[_12_] January 9th 18 05:07 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:46:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

I'm thinking the ABS problem may be the module. From what I'm reading
they do go bad over time. But,
I'm not going to try to replace it. I'll let the pros do it.


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The rental car in Ireland had a pressure sensor go bad shortly after we
left Dublin. Drove through a big puddle. When we turned in the car,
mentioned it, and the rental agency said happens all th time.


Bill[_12_] January 9th 18 05:07 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 01:05:07 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 10:20 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:31 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:19:41 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage
low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The
first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only
short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So,
the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about
remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the
readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10
min.
cycles).Â* A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started
normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles.Â* However,Â* John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds.Â* That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition.Â* I can also
remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone.Â* If I try
doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app
on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".





Logic tells me that 4 or 8 could be the only things on that list
Â*Â* that could cause shutdown after start.

I'd narrow it down even more to #8.Â* With the three codes that
John's getting, it's hard to believe the CEL isn't on.Â* Maybe the
CEL bulb is burned out?



Don't think so.Â* If he left his key in the ignition the remote start
wouldn't start the truck at all.Â* However, it would if he just left the
keys sitting on the seat or console.Â* Remember, John said his remote
will start the truck but it shuts down within a few seconds.

I did the same thing... don't count line #1, "10 things to check".Â* #8
is the "Check engine light".Â* # 7 is the key.



Ha!Â* I am an idiot.



It's not often we get a thread this long and this silly, not that I have
read most of it. :)

If I were having a "problem" with my truck, rather than seeking help
from a bunch of non-mechanics here who don't know the answer, I'd simply
drop the truck off at an authorized dealership and let the dealer's
service personnel analyze and fix the problem. We're not talking about a
brand new model vehicle here, so whatever the issue is, it surely has
come up previously and there is a manufacturer's service bulletin on it,
along with dealership mechanics with the tools and knowledge to fix it.

Crikey. How many rec.boaters does it take to change a light bulb? No one
knows, but Fretwell will build you a powerplant off the energy created
by flushing your toilet to power it, so he doesn't have to spend 25
cents a day to light it once Luddite figures out how to screw it in.



My connector for the number two injector went bad. Known problem.
Happened about 1/4 mile from Donner Summit. Towed to dealer in Colfax.
$175 dealer charge to find nothing wrong. Went in to limp mode before I
got to Sacramento. Bought an ODB reader at Oreilly auto parts and WiFi at
McDonalds to diagnose problem. The dealer had several codes, but the
known problem code was there. So a $60 reader and the internet showed me
how to fix the problem. Icepick or sharp pointed object to go through the
plastic and make a better connection. Or a piece of aluminum foil from a
cigarette pack also works. Helps to be able to fix stuff yourself.


I'm thinking the ABS problem may be the module. From what I'm reading
they do go bad over time. But,
I'm not going to try to replace it. I'll let the pros do it.


My daughters Escort had the sensor in the differential go bad. Easy to
change. Some ODB readers do not read some of the codes from other than
the engine.


John H[_2_] January 9th 18 05:12 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 08:42:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/9/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:36:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10 min.
cycles). A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles. However, John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds. That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition. I can also remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone. If I try doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".



Something to try. When working, mine will remote start, run for ten minutes then stop. Then I can
remote start again, just as you can.

However, and you might check this with yours, at any time during the first running period, I can do
the remote start sequence again and get an additional ten minutes added to the time. That does count
as the second remote start, but it doesn't use the battery to do it.



Yup. Does that.

John, when you bring your truck in to the service dealer you might want
to ask them to do a load test on your battery. Do you have one or two?


Got two. Already asked them to fully test the batteries.

John H[_2_] January 9th 18 05:15 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 08:54:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/9/2018 8:44 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:45:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/8/2018 6:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 5:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 3:47 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 1:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 11:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 10:20 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:31 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:19:41 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H

wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device
voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit).
The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter -
only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a
motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read
about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a
little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot
about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working,
it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the
readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice
(two, 10 min.
cycles).* A third attempt to remote start won't work until
the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been
started normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for
another 2
cycles.* However,* John has said that his remote will
initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds.* That's not
normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other
key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition.* I can
also remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone.* If I try
doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the
app on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start,
key in
ignition".





Logic tells me that 4 or 8 could be the only things on that list
** that could cause shutdown after start.

I'd narrow it down even more to #8.* With the three codes that
John's getting, it's hard to believe the CEL isn't on.* Maybe
the CEL bulb is burned out?



Don't think so.* If he left his key in the ignition the remote
start
wouldn't start the truck at all.* However, it would if he just
left the
keys sitting on the seat or console.* Remember, John said his
remote
will start the truck but it shuts down within a few seconds.

I did the same thing... don't count line #1, "10 things to
check". #8 is the "Check engine light".* # 7 is the key.



Ha!* I am an idiot.



It's not often we get a thread this long and this silly, not that I
have read most of it.* :)

If I were having a "problem" with my truck, rather than seeking
help from a bunch of non-mechanics here who don't know the answer,
I'd simply drop the truck off at an authorized dealership and let
the dealer's service personnel analyze and fix the problem. We're
not talking about a brand new model vehicle here, so whatever the
issue is, it surely has come up previously and there is a
manufacturer's service bulletin on it, along with dealership
mechanics with the tools and knowledge to fix it.

Crikey. How many rec.boaters does it take to change a light bulb?
No one knows, but Fretwell will build you a powerplant off the
energy created by flushing your toilet to power it, so he doesn't
have to spend 25 cents a day to light it once Luddite figures out
how to screw it in.



What an ass.** Go back to reading "Little Women" or something for
the 18th time and see if you get anything different out of it.



I read Little Women in the fifth grade. Perhaps you and your boys
here should have.

I've not been impressed by the "mechanical/electrical knowledge"
expressed here since the days we had two boat dealers and a Merc
repair guy posting.


Probably because you don't have a f*&kn' clue as to what we are
talking about.






Sure I do, but I don't think myself knowledgeable enough to diagnose
problems with a pickup truck diesel engine. Apparently you guys think
you are.


All we (I) am trying to do is help based on previous experiences with
wacky problems, including on diesels. I don't claim to be a mechanic.

John's problems are providing the clues. I think he has a bad battery
which would explain the codes reporting low voltages and probably
contributes to the remote starter problem. The battery charger
returning an error is also a clue. It's obviously a smart charger that
uses a switching power supply. When a battery is shorted or open they
will return an "error" if the battery is completely dead or shorted.

I think his battery probably has shorted cells due to a buildup on the
plates. It happens and can be intermittent for a short while, giving
all kinds of weird results. Being a diesel, his truck draws a lot of
current each time he starts it and whatever voltage the battery had
drops to near zero. His alternator will run it but the truck computer
senses an error.


Apparently you posted this before reading the final battery results. After a couple hours of seeing
the doctor, etc, I tested the battery with a voltmeter and got 11+ volts. So I hooked up the charger
again. This time it worked normally, and within an hour was reading 13+ volts and 'charged'. I put
the key in the ignition, turned it, and the truck immediately started normally!

Personally, I think the computer is telling me not to do that 'ctrl-alt-delete' stuff without giving
it time to restart - like an hour or so!



If you measured 11 volts initially, that battery is just about dead.
Fully charged a good battery should read close to 12.6 volts. This can
get confusing because a bad battery can take on a "surface charge" when
charging and shortly thereafter that makes it look ok but it isn't. The
plates within the battery lose surface area due to a buildup of lead
sulfate that effectively make the battery's current capacity drop. It
may have had enough to start the truck immediately after charging but it
will usually drop significantly an hour or so later.

Anyway, that's my un-expert opinion of what's going on in your truck.
The 11 volts you measured before charging is not the sign of a good battery.


I was wrong. That time it measured 12+ when I hooked up the charger. I wrote all this down to tell
the shop, but didn't look at my notes when I made the post. Was thinking of the earlier reading. The
truck started just fine this morning when I took it to the shop.

I am beginning to wonder also if the charger may have had a flukey problem.

We'll see what the shop says.

John H[_2_] January 9th 18 05:16 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 08:56:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/9/2018 8:54 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2018 8:44 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:45:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/8/2018 6:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 5:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 3:47 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 1:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 11:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 10:20 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite
wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:31 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:19:41 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H

wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device
voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit).
The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter -
only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a
motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read
about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a
little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot
about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working,
it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the
readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice
(two, 10 min.
cycles).* A third attempt to remote start won't work until
the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been
started normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for
another 2
cycles.* However,* John has said that his remote will
initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds.* That's not
normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other
key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition.* I can
also remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone.* If I try
doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the
app on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start,
key in
ignition".





Logic tells me that 4 or 8 could be the only things on that
list
*** that could cause shutdown after start.

I'd narrow it down even more to #8.* With the three codes that
John's getting, it's hard to believe the CEL isn't on.* Maybe
the CEL bulb is burned out?



Don't think so.* If he left his key in the ignition the remote
start
wouldn't start the truck at all.* However, it would if he just
left the
keys sitting on the seat or console.* Remember, John said his
remote
will start the truck but it shuts down within a few seconds.

I did the same thing... don't count line #1, "10 things to
check". #8 is the "Check engine light".* # 7 is the key.



Ha!* I am an idiot.



It's not often we get a thread this long and this silly, not that I
have read most of it.* :)

If I were having a "problem" with my truck, rather than seeking
help from a bunch of non-mechanics here who don't know the answer,
I'd simply drop the truck off at an authorized dealership and let
the dealer's service personnel analyze and fix the problem. We're
not talking about a brand new model vehicle here, so whatever the
issue is, it surely has come up previously and there is a
manufacturer's service bulletin on it, along with dealership
mechanics with the tools and knowledge to fix it.

Crikey. How many rec.boaters does it take to change a light bulb?
No one knows, but Fretwell will build you a powerplant off the
energy created by flushing your toilet to power it, so he doesn't
have to spend 25 cents a day to light it once Luddite figures out
how to screw it in.



What an ass.** Go back to reading "Little Women" or something for
the 18th time and see if you get anything different out of it.



I read Little Women in the fifth grade. Perhaps you and your boys
here should have.

I've not been impressed by the "mechanical/electrical knowledge"
expressed here since the days we had two boat dealers and a Merc
repair guy posting.


Probably because you don't have a f*&kn' clue as to what we are
talking about.






Sure I do, but I don't think myself knowledgeable enough to diagnose
problems with a pickup truck diesel engine. Apparently you guys think
you are.


All we (I) am trying to do is help based on previous experiences with
wacky problems, including on diesels.* I don't claim to be a mechanic.

John's problems are providing the clues.* I think he has a bad battery
which would explain the codes reporting low voltages and probably
contributes to the remote starter problem.* The battery charger
returning an error is also a clue.* It's obviously a smart charger that
uses a switching power supply.* When a battery is shorted or open they
will return an "error" if the battery is completely dead or shorted.

I think his battery probably has shorted cells due to a buildup on the
plates.* It happens and can be intermittent for a short while, giving
all kinds of weird results.* Being a diesel, his truck draws a lot of
current each time he starts it and whatever voltage the battery had
drops to near zero.* His alternator will run it but the truck computer
senses an error.

Apparently you posted this before reading the final battery results.
After a couple hours of seeing
the doctor, etc, I tested the battery with a voltmeter and got 11+
volts. So I hooked up the charger
again. This time it worked normally, and within an hour was reading
13+ volts and 'charged'. I put
the key in the ignition, turned it, and the truck immediately started
normally!

Personally, I think the computer is telling me not to do that
'ctrl-alt-delete' stuff without giving
it time to restart - like an hour or so!



If you measured 11 volts initially, that battery is just about dead.
Fully charged a good battery should read close to 12.6 volts.* This can
get confusing because a bad battery can take on a "surface charge" when
charging and shortly thereafter that makes it look ok but it isn't.* The
plates within the battery lose surface area due to a buildup of lead
sulfate that effectively make the battery's current capacity drop.* It
may have had enough to start the truck immediately after charging but it
will usually drop significantly an hour or so later.

Anyway, that's my un-expert opinion of what's going on in your truck.
The 11 volts you measured before charging is not the sign of a good
battery.



BTW ... it will be interesting if it starts "with vigor" this morning.


Yup, right off the bat!

John H[_2_] January 9th 18 05:16 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:52:07 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:46:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

I'm thinking the ABS problem may be the module. From what I'm reading they do go bad over time. But,
I'm not going to try to replace it. I'll let the pros do it.


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The sensors which detect wheel velocity are vulnerable also.

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Willl let the shop figure it out. I'll report the results of all this when I get the truck back.

John H[_2_] January 9th 18 05:18 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 17:07:18 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 01:05:07 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 10:20 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:31 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:19:41 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage
low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The
first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only
short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So,
the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about
remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the
readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10
min.
cycles).* A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started
normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles.* However,* John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds.* That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition.* I can also
remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone.* If I try
doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app
on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".





Logic tells me that 4 or 8 could be the only things on that list
** that could cause shutdown after start.

I'd narrow it down even more to #8.* With the three codes that
John's getting, it's hard to believe the CEL isn't on.* Maybe the
CEL bulb is burned out?



Don't think so.* If he left his key in the ignition the remote start
wouldn't start the truck at all.* However, it would if he just left the
keys sitting on the seat or console.* Remember, John said his remote
will start the truck but it shuts down within a few seconds.

I did the same thing... don't count line #1, "10 things to check".* #8
is the "Check engine light".* # 7 is the key.



Ha!* I am an idiot.



It's not often we get a thread this long and this silly, not that I have
read most of it. :)

If I were having a "problem" with my truck, rather than seeking help
from a bunch of non-mechanics here who don't know the answer, I'd simply
drop the truck off at an authorized dealership and let the dealer's
service personnel analyze and fix the problem. We're not talking about a
brand new model vehicle here, so whatever the issue is, it surely has
come up previously and there is a manufacturer's service bulletin on it,
along with dealership mechanics with the tools and knowledge to fix it.

Crikey. How many rec.boaters does it take to change a light bulb? No one
knows, but Fretwell will build you a powerplant off the energy created
by flushing your toilet to power it, so he doesn't have to spend 25
cents a day to light it once Luddite figures out how to screw it in.



My connector for the number two injector went bad. Known problem.
Happened about 1/4 mile from Donner Summit. Towed to dealer in Colfax.
$175 dealer charge to find nothing wrong. Went in to limp mode before I
got to Sacramento. Bought an ODB reader at Oreilly auto parts and WiFi at
McDonalds to diagnose problem. The dealer had several codes, but the
known problem code was there. So a $60 reader and the internet showed me
how to fix the problem. Icepick or sharp pointed object to go through the
plastic and make a better connection. Or a piece of aluminum foil from a
cigarette pack also works. Helps to be able to fix stuff yourself.


I'm thinking the ABS problem may be the module. From what I'm reading
they do go bad over time. But,
I'm not going to try to replace it. I'll let the pros do it.


My daughters Escort had the sensor in the differential go bad. Easy to
change. Some ODB readers do not read some of the codes from other than
the engine.


The Actron 9580A is supposed to be a pretty good one. It also reads chassis codes.

John H[_2_] January 9th 18 05:20 PM

Speaking of remote starters...
 
On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 12:00:53 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:33:05 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 08:19:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10 min.
cycles). A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles. However, John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds. That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition. I can also remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone. If I try doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".





Logic tells me that 4 or 8 could be the only things on that list
that could cause shutdown after start.


Nope. Something else can cause it. Don't know what yet, but it's probably computer related, or
associated with the bad glow plug.


The guys on the Duramax threads said a code will shut it down.
(although there was some dispute about what kind of codes) We talked
about that days ago. I thought we were done then.


No, we were just getting started then. Trying to give Harry something to whine about besides
politics.


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