On 1/8/2018 10:20 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:31 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:19:41 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10 min.
cycles). A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles. However, John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds. That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition. I can also remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone. If I try doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".





Logic tells me that 4 or 8 could be the only things on that list
that could cause shutdown after start.

I'd narrow it down even more to #8. With the three codes that John's getting, it's hard to believe the CEL isn't on. Maybe the CEL bulb is burned out?



Don't think so. If he left his key in the ignition the remote start
wouldn't start the truck at all. However, it would if he just left the
keys sitting on the seat or console. Remember, John said his remote
will start the truck but it shuts down within a few seconds.

I did the same thing... don't count line #1, "10 things to check". #8 is the "Check engine light". # 7 is the key.



Ha! I am an idiot.

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:57:20 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:16 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 7:36:33 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10 min.
cycles). A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles. However, John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds. That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition. I can also remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone. If I try doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".

How does your smart app on your phone talk to your track? Does your truck have a SIM card with service, or does it link via bluetooth or WiFi?



It's via WiFi and the OnStar service. They have an app for your
cellphone. I just got an email from OnStar giving me my mileage,
remaining oil life and a reminder it's time for a oil change and tire
rotation. It's like having a Nanny watching you.

Ah, pretty cool. I had OnStar on the 'vette, but didn't renew when the trial was up. The A6 has a SIM card and it provides satellite and street views for navigation and a WiFi hotspot in the car, but I didn't renew it either. With a modern smart phone it doesn't make much sense, especially with the limited distance I drive.

On 1/8/2018 10:24 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:57:20 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:16 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 7:36:33 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10 min.
cycles). A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles. However, John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds. That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition. I can also remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone. If I try doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".

How does your smart app on your phone talk to your track? Does your truck have a SIM card with service, or does it link via bluetooth or WiFi?



It's via WiFi and the OnStar service. They have an app for your
cellphone. I just got an email from OnStar giving me my mileage,
remaining oil life and a reminder it's time for a oil change and tire
rotation. It's like having a Nanny watching you.

Ah, pretty cool. I had OnStar on the 'vette, but didn't renew when the trial was up. The A6 has a SIM card and it provides satellite and street views for navigation and a WiFi hotspot in the car, but I didn't renew it either. With a modern smart phone it doesn't make much sense, especially with the limited distance I drive.



When I bought the truck last July it came with 3 months of free, full
OnStar service and the WiFi hotspot. After three months they renewed it
for another 3 months of free service. Don't know why. But when that
was up I opted out of all the paid OnStar stuff but kept unlimited Wifi.
Only costs $20 a month and works well. I still get the free, basic
OnStar stuff like remote diagnostics, service reminders and the OnStar
app thing. I really don't need crash detection, breakdown assistance
or navigation help to program the GPS. I can do that myself. The total
package (not including the WiFi) was almost $40 a month. Don't need it.

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 17:02:04 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 7:56:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 16:44:50 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.

You shouldn't have any problem testing the ABS in this weather. Go to
a deserted parking lot that has some ice/snow on it and try to lock
them up. You will know right away if the ABS is working.

Not only that, but if the ABS is really disabled, your dash should be lit up like a Christmas tree! Are those the specific error codes for your vehicle, or the generic ones listed for your reader? They can be a bit different.

I tried it both ways, letting the scanner select the vehicle and me inputting the data for the
vehicle. Got the same readings both ways. Checked the fuzes-they're good. Will take to the shop
tomorrow.

On 1/8/18 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 10:20 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:31 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:19:41 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage
low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The
first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only
short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So,
the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about
remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the
readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10
min.
cycles).Â* A third attempt to remote start won't work until the key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started
normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles.Â* However,Â* John has said that his remote will initially start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds.Â* That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition.Â* I can also
remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone.Â* If I try
doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app
on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".





Logic tells me that 4 or 8 could be the only things on that list
Â*Â* that could cause shutdown after start.

I'd narrow it down even more to #8.Â* With the three codes that
John's getting, it's hard to believe the CEL isn't on.Â* Maybe the
CEL bulb is burned out?



Don't think so.Â* If he left his key in the ignition the remote start
wouldn't start the truck at all.Â* However, it would if he just left the
keys sitting on the seat or console.Â* Remember, John said his remote
will start the truck but it shuts down within a few seconds.

I did the same thing... don't count line #1, "10 things to check".Â* #8
is the "Check engine light".Â* # 7 is the key.



Ha!Â* I am an idiot.



It's not often we get a thread this long and this silly, not that I have
read most of it.

If I were having a "problem" with my truck, rather than seeking help
from a bunch of non-mechanics here who don't know the answer, I'd simply
drop the truck off at an authorized dealership and let the dealer's
service personnel analyze and fix the problem. We're not talking about a
brand new model vehicle here, so whatever the issue is, it surely has
come up previously and there is a manufacturer's service bulletin on it,
along with dealership mechanics with the tools and knowledge to fix it.

Crikey. How many rec.boaters does it take to change a light bulb? No one
knows, but Fretwell will build you a powerplant off the energy created
by flushing your toilet to power it, so he doesn't have to spend 25
cents a day to light it once Luddite figures out how to screw it in.

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:31:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/7/2018 8:02 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 7:56:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 16:44:50 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.

You shouldn't have any problem testing the ABS in this weather. Go to
a deserted parking lot that has some ice/snow on it and try to lock
them up. You will know right away if the ABS is working.

Not only that, but if the ABS is really disabled, your dash should be lit up like a Christmas tree! Are those the specific error codes for your vehicle, or the generic ones listed for your reader? They can be a bit different.



If I were John I'd try the "Control-Alt-Delete" procedure. Disconnect
the positive lead from the battery, wait for about 10 minutes, reconnect
and then see if the codes are still there and if his remote starter
works properly.


You could just tell me directly, ya know!

Will give that a try.

Didn't do anything. Same remote problems, and same codes. Shop tomorrow.

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 11:48:56 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

Crikey. How many rec.boaters does it take to change a light bulb? No one
knows, but Fretwell will build you a powerplant off the energy created
by flushing your toilet to power it, so he doesn't have to spend 25
cents a day to light it once Luddite figures out how to screw it in.

Some of us like the idea of being self sufficient. You seem to be
dependent on someone else for every aspect of your life.

How many people does it take at your house to get a lightbulb changed?
I assume at least 4.
You start with your Optometrist because you can't see and work your
way down to the licensed electrician who replaces the bulb, the
teamster who delivers it and the personal assistant who actually flips
the switches for you.

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 03:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device voltage low), a
C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The first (and
maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only short
trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle. So, the
charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

The glow plugs will burn out over time. I've had three go bad since I
bought the truck. With seven
working, there is no problem starting it, and it runs fine. No roughness at all.


There is a problem with the glow plug controller on at least the 2002-2007.
You would get both missing glow plug ODB codes and also a failure to
communicate with the controller. The solder connections to the plug would
break.

It's reading a problem with plug #3. It's done the same with #1 and #4. All was well once they were
replaced.

On 1/8/18 12:11 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 11:48:56 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

Crikey. How many rec.boaters does it take to change a light bulb? No one
knows, but Fretwell will build you a powerplant off the energy created
by flushing your toilet to power it, so he doesn't have to spend 25
cents a day to light it once Luddite figures out how to screw it in.

Some of us like the idea of being self sufficient. You seem to be
dependent on someone else for every aspect of your life.

How many people does it take at your house to get a lightbulb changed?
I assume at least 4.
You start with your Optometrist because you can't see and work your
way down to the licensed electrician who replaces the bulb, the
teamster who delivers it and the personal assistant who actually flips
the switches for you.




Self-sufficiency is wonderful if you know what you are doing. Obviously,
as it relates to the malfunctioning remote starter, the answer so far
ain't here...unless someone stumbles across it as a result of pure,
blind luck.

My level of household electrical competency allows me to replace wall
switches and lightbulbs, and my plumbing competency allows me to replace
a toilet or its innards and replace and install a sink, faucet,
disposal, et cetera. I'd absolutely call a licensed plumber to handle
any repairs or replacements on the propane gas service or remove and
replace a water heater. I know you are more competent at these things
than I am, but...I'm not impressed with your level of finish work.

On 1/8/2018 11:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/18 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 10:20 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2018 8:31 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:19:41 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/8/2018 6:57 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:40:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:59:51 -0500, John H
wrote:

Upon hooking up the OBD scanner, I get a C0899 (Device
voltage low), a C0561 (ABS disabled, invalid
serial data received), and P0673 (#3 Glow plug circuit). The
first (and maybe the second) may be due
to low batteries, which I've treated badly this winter - only
short trips to the store, etc. Trips
that should have been made walking or riding a motorcycle.
So, the charger is on, and we'll see what
happens when the batteries are up to snuff.

"Glow plug" figured prominently in those threads I read about
remote
start not working. It might be worth a shot. Does it run a little
rough for a minute on a regular start? I don't know a lot about
diesels but I am guessing if a glow plug was not working, it
would
miss a bit until it started "dieseling"
It may just be a loose connection I guess.

Oh, and charging the batteries didn't change any of the
readings. Looks like I've got an ABS problem
and a glow plug problem.


10 things to check:
Improper Starting Procedure
Vehicle Not in ?Park?
Too Many Remote Start Attempts
Coolant and Oil Pressure
Unlatched Hood
Hazard Warning Lights
The Key is in the Car
Check Engine Light
Dead Keyfob Battery
Check the Manual-
x


Regarding # 4 in your list:

For what it's worth my remote start will only work twice (two, 10
min.
cycles).Â* A third attempt to remote start won't work until the
key is
inserted and turned to "on" or after the truck has been started
normally
using the key. After that the remote will work again for another 2
cycles.Â* However,Â* John has said that his remote will initially
start
his truck but then it dies after a few seconds.Â* That's not normal.

Mine will remote start (using my second key/FOB) if the other
key/FOB
set is in the truck but not inserted in the ignition.Â* I can also
remote
start it using the GMC app that's in my smartphone.Â* If I try
doing that
with the key in the ignition, but in the "off" position, the app
on the
smartphone comes back with a message saying, "Cannot start, key in
ignition".





Logic tells me that 4 or 8 could be the only things on that list
Â*Â* that could cause shutdown after start.

I'd narrow it down even more to #8.Â* With the three codes that
John's getting, it's hard to believe the CEL isn't on.Â* Maybe the
CEL bulb is burned out?



Don't think so.Â* If he left his key in the ignition the remote start
wouldn't start the truck at all.Â* However, it would if he just left the
keys sitting on the seat or console.Â* Remember, John said his remote
will start the truck but it shuts down within a few seconds.

I did the same thing... don't count line #1, "10 things to check".
#8 is the "Check engine light".Â* # 7 is the key.



Ha!Â* I am an idiot.



It's not often we get a thread this long and this silly, not that I have
read most of it.Â*

If I were having a "problem" with my truck, rather than seeking help
from a bunch of non-mechanics here who don't know the answer, I'd simply
drop the truck off at an authorized dealership and let the dealer's
service personnel analyze and fix the problem. We're not talking about a
brand new model vehicle here, so whatever the issue is, it surely has
come up previously and there is a manufacturer's service bulletin on it,
along with dealership mechanics with the tools and knowledge to fix it.

Crikey. How many rec.boaters does it take to change a light bulb? No one
knows, but Fretwell will build you a powerplant off the energy created
by flushing your toilet to power it, so he doesn't have to spend 25
cents a day to light it once Luddite figures out how to screw it in.



What an ass. Go back to reading "Little Women" or something for the
18th time and see if you get anything different out of it.