On 1/6/18 10:13 AM, True North wrote:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.



Grim...

Keyser Soze
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On 1/6/18 10:13 AM, True North wrote:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.



Grim...

.....

Very “grim� indeed. 2000w. won’t get you much 4500 will run a deep freezer and 2 refrigerators and struggle at that.
To do a comfortable job a person needs at least 6-8000

It takes a lot of energy to run a simple house...

On 1/6/2018 2:16 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
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On 1/6/18 10:13 AM, True North wrote:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.



Grim...

....

Very “grim� indeed. 2000w. won’t get you much 4500 will run a deep freezer and 2 refrigerators and struggle at that.
To do a comfortable job a person needs at least 6-8000

It takes a lot of energy to run a simple house...



My little 2000w Honda ran two, full sized refrigerators, a couple of
lights and a flat panel TV with no problem. I left it on the "eco" mode
(idle) and the only time it automatically reves up is when one of the
refrig compressors started. It would then drop back to idle. It has
never tripped.

During the last longer term outage a few years ago I'd wire it into the
furnace circuit for a while to heat the house. Then, I'd switch it back
to the refrigerators. Worked out good and burned less than 5 gals of
gas over a 4 day period with the generator running 24 hours.

The idle speed can still produces about 6 amps continuously. After the
initial current draw to start the compressor in a refrig, the draw drops
to under 2 amps typically. That's what is so nice about the inverter
type generators. They don't have to run at full speed to generate 120
volts at 60Hz and the fuel consumption is very low compared to the
contractor type generators that always run at 3600 rpm.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 1:39:34 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:16 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
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On 1/6/18 10:13 AM, True North wrote:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.



Grim...

....

Very “grim� indeed. 2000w. won’t get you much 4500 will run a deep freezer and 2 refrigerators and struggle at that.
To do a comfortable job a person needs at least 6-8000

It takes a lot of energy to run a simple house...



My little 2000w Honda ran two, full sized refrigerators, a couple of
lights and a flat panel TV with no problem. I left it on the "eco" mode
(idle) and the only time it automatically reves up is when one of the
refrig compressors started. It would then drop back to idle. It has
never tripped.

During the last longer term outage a few years ago I'd wire it into the
furnace circuit for a while to heat the house. Then, I'd switch it back
to the refrigerators. Worked out good and burned less than 5 gals of
gas over a 4 day period with the generator running 24 hours.

The idle speed can still produces about 6 amps continuously. After the
initial current draw to start the compressor in a refrig, the draw drops
to under 2 amps typically. That's what is so nice about the inverter
type generators. They don't have to run at full speed to generate 120
volts at 60Hz and the fuel consumption is very low compared to the
contractor type generators that always run at 3600 rpm.

Chances are, your appliances were much more eco-friendly than my dads 30+ year old stuff. and that was 15 years ago.

First I let the little 4000w Briggs warm up then plugged in a refrigerator and let it run till it stabilized. Then plug in another. It worked hard at it but it did recover. Last was the little freezer. The little Briggs labored hard. I knew it'd stall but it didn't. It did carry all three, but I don't see how. The initial start up of the appliances was the hardest. Once all going. everything was ok

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 12:41:18 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 1:39:34 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:16 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
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On 1/6/18 10:13 AM, True North wrote:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.



Grim...

....

Very “grim� indeed. 2000w. won’t get you much 4500 will run a deep freezer and 2 refrigerators and struggle at that.
To do a comfortable job a person needs at least 6-8000

It takes a lot of energy to run a simple house...



My little 2000w Honda ran two, full sized refrigerators, a couple of
lights and a flat panel TV with no problem. I left it on the "eco" mode
(idle) and the only time it automatically reves up is when one of the
refrig compressors started. It would then drop back to idle. It has
never tripped.

During the last longer term outage a few years ago I'd wire it into the
furnace circuit for a while to heat the house. Then, I'd switch it back
to the refrigerators. Worked out good and burned less than 5 gals of
gas over a 4 day period with the generator running 24 hours.

The idle speed can still produces about 6 amps continuously. After the
initial current draw to start the compressor in a refrig, the draw drops
to under 2 amps typically. That's what is so nice about the inverter
type generators. They don't have to run at full speed to generate 120
volts at 60Hz and the fuel consumption is very low compared to the
contractor type generators that always run at 3600 rpm.

Chances are, your appliances were much more eco-friendly than my dads 30+ year old stuff. and that was 15 years ago.

First I let the little 4000w Briggs warm up then plugged in a refrigerator and let it run till it stabilized. Then plug in another. It worked hard at it but it did recover. Last was the little freezer. The little Briggs labored hard. I knew it'd stall but it didn't. It did carry all three, but I don't see how. The initial start up
of the appliances was the hardest. Once all going. everything was ok

Mt 5.5kw Briggs was running 2 fridges all the time, a pool pump 6
hours a day and 2 well pumps plus my general lighting loads.
Occasionally the LRA of too many things starting at once tripped it
out but for the most part it ran fine. The only mitigation I really
want to do is swap breakers around to get the fridges on different
phases. They are on the same one now.
I also have thought about interlocking the 2 pumps so they can't start
at the same time but I have not done it yet. I do have the wiring in
place tho.
I have already put loops in the generator J box so I can monitor the
current in real time with a clamp.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/Gene...connection.jpg

On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 17:54:53 -0500, wrote:

I have already put loops in the generator J box so I can monitor the
current in real time with a clamp.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/Gene...connection.jpg

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Heh, good idea.

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Tim wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 1:39:34 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:16 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
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On 1/6/18 10:13 AM, True North wrote:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Grim...

....

Very “grim� indeed. 2000w. won’t get you much 4500 will run a deep freezer and 2 refrigerators and struggle at that.
To do a comfortable job a person needs at least 6-8000

It takes a lot of energy to run a simple house...


My little 2000w Honda ran two, full sized refrigerators, a couple of
lights and a flat panel TV with no problem. I left it on the "eco" mode
(idle) and the only time it automatically reves up is when one of the
refrig compressors started. It would then drop back to idle. It has
never tripped.

During the last longer term outage a few years ago I'd wire it into the
furnace circuit for a while to heat the house. Then, I'd switch it back
to the refrigerators. Worked out good and burned less than 5 gals of
gas over a 4 day period with the generator running 24 hours.

The idle speed can still produces about 6 amps continuously. After the
initial current draw to start the compressor in a refrig, the draw drops
to under 2 amps typically. That's what is so nice about the inverter
type generators. They don't have to run at full speed to generate 120
volts at 60Hz and the fuel consumption is very low compared to the
contractor type generators that always run at 3600 rpm.
Chances are, your appliances were much more eco-friendly than my dads 30+ year old stuff. and that was 15 years ago.

First I let the little 4000w Briggs warm up then plugged in a refrigerator and let it run till it stabilized. Then plug in another. It worked hard at it but it did recover. Last was the little freezer. The little Briggs labored hard. I knew it'd stall but it didn't. It did carry all three, but I don't see how. The initial start up of the appliances was the hardest. Once all going. everything was ok

Generator manufacturers almost always have a big label on the front with
the peak output. That 4KW could be rated as low as 2.8KW running.
Generac seems to label theirs with the running output which is a plus
for them but puts them at a disadvantage for comparison purposes.