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On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:46:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


A small inverter and your boat battery will take care of the fish. :-)

Funny you should mention that. I was thinking of an inverter last night and I do have that 12v boat battery sitting in the basement illuminating my exercise room 24/7. I had just charged it up as I do now twice a month. At least that would keep the tropical fish happy. Youngest son brought that tank and a bunch of fish back home with him about 10 years ago. When he left again the tank and fish stayed...he said it was too much trouble to move. Only one original fish left (Algae Eater) but I took over the duties of tank cleaning and one feeding a day. Wife stocks the tank as fish die off and does the morning feeding.

I lived on batteries and an inverter the night after Charley (PC and
TV). You can recharge it from your car when it goes down.
I just rolled my Honda up to the door and had it ticking over at an
idle tho.

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On 1/6/2018 6:51 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:40:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/6/2018 4:33 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 14:09:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/6/2018 1:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
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Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message. Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show up at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever had to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see how our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one of his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out. We do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean, relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported. The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy. One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something like that anymore.



I've never used one of these but it might be worth looking into:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuraHeat-23-800-BTU-Indoor-Kerosene-Portable-Heater-DH2304/100045793?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-204700349-_-100045793-_-N

I have one but not exactly like that.
We have not used it for over 25 years tho.
I would have to dig through my pictures but it was a christmas many
years ago when we had the power out and sub 40s temps.
I did get a kick out of the "economical kerosene" line.
I guess maybe if you can still find a K1 pump somewhere it might be
$3-4 a gallon but if you are buying it in a gallon jug at the Home
Depot it is $11 a gallon.



This looks like an updated, modern version of ones I've seen in the
past. No electrical power required. Ignition is via a battery. But,
I've never had or used one so I don't know the pros or cons.

I know this may be hard for you to understand but when you have no heat
and it's in the single digits outside, the cost of kerosene isn't the
driver. BTW, this rig runs on just about anything ... kerosene, home
heating oil, jet fuel ... etc.



It is true that if it burns, these things can use it but the smell
becomes an issue because they are not really vented anywhere.
I got this from my grandfather who used it in his "cabana", an
aluminum and glass sun room back in the olden days. Even as leaky as
that was, he said diesel was too stinky to use. K1 kerosene or paint
thinner/mineral spirits would be my go to fuel but they are all silly
expensive these days. I did see Rural king will sell you 2.5 gallons
for $17. That is not horrible if you are freezing but still about
twice as much as using toaster wire heat, which brings me back to the
line in the ad about "economical" kerosene.
I am not even sure where I would find a place with a kerosene pump.
The last time I bought some it was 40 miles from here in Punta Gorda.
(25 years ago) I was there anyway so it was not a big deal but I did
drive around with the can in my car for days before I found one.
There s a bulk plant in Ft Myers but I am not sure if they would
really be interested in only selling a couple gallons.

This is like the one I have
https://tinyurl.com/yadk287b




I was wrong. I confused the specs on the indoor heater with a salamanda
type heater that can burn different fuels. The indoor one burns
kerosene only.

Years ago I had a salamada that I used to heat a shed. I stuck it in
the doorway with only the exhaust end barely in the shed.

I wonder if "White Gas" is still sold. As a kid I can remember my
father buying it at gas stations from a separate fuel pump.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

On 1/6/2018 8:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/6/18 4:38 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 11:40:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


That was my general emergency plan. A small space heater and if
needed something to keep the sump pump working.

It seems ironic to use a generator to make electric heat when you are
usually throwing away more heat from the engine than the generator can
produce. That is why I was thinking about scavenging some of that
waste heat to heat water. If you had a bigger, water cooled gen set
that would be trivial to do.

Sheesh...do you overanalyze everything in life? If the power goes out
and we still have electricity because of a generator and we're comfy and
the refrigerators, hot water, air conditioning or heat are working, do
you think I should worry about what the propane is costing me? A water
cooled generator for the home would probably run at least $10,000 for
just the hardware and another $5,000 or more for various pieces and
parts and proper installation by licensed electricians and plumbers. And
then what, kitbash some sort of heat scavenging system to provide hot
water to heat something in the house?


Different strokes Harry. Greg has a very creative mind and he likes to
exercise it. Me? I am somewhere between you and Greg.

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On 1/6/2018 9:46 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:50:15 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:40 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:59:59 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justanÂ* wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators.
Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model
generators were sold before I got there.Â* D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal.Â* These models are costly here...a
hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000
plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00.Â* Outrageous...first
that crap started with cars and then new boats.Â* Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this
morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Â* Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
Â* your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
Â* pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
Â* spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
Â* keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
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Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message.
Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is
getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday
afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the
wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the
street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut
the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show up
at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever had
to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see how
our tropical fish fare.Â* Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one of
his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out.Â* We
do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean,
relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted
from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor
grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who
owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and
then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be
time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting
stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported.
The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy.
One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost
twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something
like that anymore.



If you are looking for emergency heat, the smaller Hondas (e-2000i)
isn't for you.Â* If you have electric heat it's probably 240 volts which
the smaller Honda's don't produce.Â* You need something much bigger.


The little Honda works fine on a oil furnace.Â* All it has to do is run
the oil pump (probably an amp or less) and either a squirrel cage fan
(if forced air) or a circulating pump (if hot water baseboard).Â*Â* Mine
ran the oil heating system in the big, 8,000 sq ft house we used to have
with no problem.Â* It was baseboard, hot water heat.



Forgot ... you could run a 1500 watt space heater off the little Honda,
but that will draw about 12.5 amps from the little Honda. The e-2000i
is rated for 1800 watts continuous and 2000 watts peak. Plus, a 1500
watt space heater isn't going to heat much.

That was my general emergency plan. A small space heater and if needed something to keep the sump pump working. I was getting nervous Thursday night before the big temperature change. We received maybe a millimeter of snow and right away the high winds and heavy rain. I was down late that night using my hand bilge pump to take a dozen buckets of water out of the sump pump hole and carrying same over to a set tub to dump. I'd also like to keep the tropical fish warm. Right now the big alga eater is hugging up to the tube type aquarium heater. The last couple of days he's been hiding under his rock as the water temp got down to about 18C despite me heating pots full on our camp stove and carefully adding into the tank. I also gave them the last of our hot water from the 40 gal electric tank.


A small inverter and your boat battery will take care of the fish. :-)

Funny you should mention that. I was thinking of an inverter last night and I do have that 12v boat battery sitting in the basement illuminating my exercise room 24/7. I had just charged it up as I do now twice a month. At least that would keep the tropical fish happy. Youngest son brought that tank and a bunch of fish back home with him about 10 years ago. When he left again the tank and fish stayed...he said it was too much trouble to move. Only one original fish left (Algae Eater) but I took over the duties of tank cleaning and one feeding a day. Wife stocks the tank as fish die off and does the morning feeding.



I'll bet a cheap, little 600 watt inverter that you can buy at auto
parts places would handle the fish tank pump and heater just fine (until
your battery died).

43 and a half hours without power...
 

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 05:29:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I wonder if "White Gas" is still sold. As a kid I can remember my
father buying it at gas stations from a separate fuel pump.

===

If my memory is correct, the only difference with "white gas" was that
it was unleaded, and therefore suitable for cooking with a Coleman
camping stove and the like. These days all gasoline, except possibly
aviation fuel, is unleaded.

http://www.sears.com/coleman-guide-series-174-dual-fuel-8482-stove/p-00620895000P?sid=IDx01192011x202447779&gclid=EAIaI QobChMI9qz5zfzF2AIViLfACh3GDwRAEAQYBSABEgL0ifD_BwE &gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=COqGpNf8xdgCFZYeHwodDGECQA

These were very popular back in the 50s but I haven't seen one in
years.

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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 8:44:12 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 05:29:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I wonder if "White Gas" is still sold. As a kid I can remember my
father buying it at gas stations from a separate fuel pump.

===

If my memory is correct, the only difference with "white gas" was that
it was unleaded, and therefore suitable for cooking with a Coleman
camping stove and the like. These days all gasoline, except possibly
aviation fuel, is unleaded.

http://www.sears.com/coleman-guide-series-174-dual-fuel-8482-stove/p-00620895000P?sid=IDx01192011x202447779&gclid=EAIaI QobChMI9qz5zfzF2AIViLfACh3GDwRAEAQYBSABEgL0ifD_BwE &gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=COqGpNf8xdgCFZYeHwodDGECQA

These were very popular back in the 50s but I haven't seen one in
years.

I used a propane version of one in the '80s. I still have a Coleman lantern that runs on white gas. You always had to keep a supply of the cloth mantles handy... one decent bump and it fell apart.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 8:44:12 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 05:29:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I wonder if "White Gas" is still sold. As a kid I can remember my
father buying it at gas stations from a separate fuel pump.

===

If my memory is correct, the only difference with "white gas" was that
it was unleaded, and therefore suitable for cooking with a Coleman
camping stove and the like. These days all gasoline, except possibly
aviation fuel, is unleaded.

http://www.sears.com/coleman-guide-series-174-dual-fuel-8482-stove/p-00620895000P?sid=IDx01192011x202447779&gclid=EAIaI QobChMI9qz5zfzF2AIViLfACh3GDwRAEAQYBSABEgL0ifD_BwE &gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=COqGpNf8xdgCFZYeHwodDGECQA

These were very popular back in the 50s but I haven't seen one in
years.

OK, now you got me interested, so I had to look it up...

You're right, white gas is non-leaded or colored gas (gas is naturally clear). It can be used in Coleman stoves and lanterns with a caveat... the Coleman appliance must be dual-fuel rated. Early Coleman single fuel units would clog up from the additives in the white gas. They must use Coleman fuel, which is essentially naptha.

Now I know. :)

43 and a half hours without power...
 

On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:10:39 UTC-4, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.

Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


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Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message. Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show up at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever had to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see how our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one of his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out. We do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean, relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported. The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy. One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something like that anymore.

"work up"?
"we put ont one..."?
"easilt"?

Nice job, spelling cop.

Hands and brain were still partially frozen...what's your excuse?

43 and a half hours without power...
 

On 1/7/18 10:18 AM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:10:39 UTC-4, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.

Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
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Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message. Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show up at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever had to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see how our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one of his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out. We do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean, relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported. The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy. One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something like that anymore.

"work up"?
"we put ont one..."?
"easilt"?

Nice job, spelling cop.

Hands and brain were still partially frozen...what's your excuse?


Alex is a snarky little dip****.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:51:55 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:45 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:09:56 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators.
Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model
generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a
hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000
plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00.
Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on
generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message.
Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday
afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the
wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the
street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut
the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show
up at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever
had to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see
how our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one
of his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out.
We do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean,
relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted
from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor
grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who
owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and
then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be
time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting
stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported.
The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy.
One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost
twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something like that anymore.



I've never used one of these but it might be worth looking into:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuraHeat-23-800-BTU-Indoor-Kerosene-Portable-Heater-DH2304/100045793?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-204700349-_-100045793-_-N

This type of heater was wildly popular around here around 30 years ago
but we don't hear about them now. Wife is sensitive to fumes while I
hate the smoke that seems to escape from our fireplace every time we
open the tempered glass doors to add more logs.
A surprising small amount of heat came from my replica 'Hurricane
Lantern' that burns lamp oil. I had this crazy urge to go walking up &
down our pitch black street swinging it while calling out 'It's 10 o'clock all's well'.



Well, all I can suggest is that you immigrate to Florida.

My buddy in the BVI always claimed that Costs Rica was a good choice.
You only needed to prove that you had a modest pension income to be
allowed to retire there.


Depends how you want to live. Costa Rica for the non Tico is expensive.
The minimum wage is $660 a month. There is a 9% tax on wages for health
care. You will have to buy an insurance policy as a foreigner. Unless
you want to live in a lower income area. A shuttle driver lives in a
$120,000 house. Just returned from there last night. The condo we
rented in Jaco sells for $450-600k. Variable condo fees. Which are
probably no cheap, as they spread the cost of the community area over all
the condos. Pool, landscaping. I think the property tax is 0.25% of
value or sales price a year.