43 and a half hours without power...
 

On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 20:08:40 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 19:05:16 -0500, wrote:

If I ever have to do this again I think I would wire my elements in
series and let it just loaf along at ~1.1 KW until the tank was hot.

===

That will work as long as Ohm's law does not get overturned in the
courts. Of course if your elements are in parallell, you could just
lift a wire to one of them as a temporary expedient.


Water heaters just use one at a time. The top stat keep the top
element going until it makes the stat (the "quick recovery" thing)
then it switches to the bottom ones to heat the rest of the tank.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 20:03:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/6/18 4:38 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 11:40:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


That was my general emergency plan. A small space heater and if needed something to keep the sump pump working.

It seems ironic to use a generator to make electric heat when you are
usually throwing away more heat from the engine than the generator can
produce. That is why I was thinking about scavenging some of that
waste heat to heat water. If you had a bigger, water cooled gen set
that would be trivial to do.

Sheesh...do you overanalyze everything in life? If the power goes out
and we still have electricity because of a generator and we're comfy and
the refrigerators, hot water, air conditioning or heat are working, do
you think I should worry about what the propane is costing me? A water
cooled generator for the home would probably run at least $10,000 for
just the hardware and another $5,000 or more for various pieces and
parts and proper installation by licensed electricians and plumbers. And
then what, kitbash some sort of heat scavenging system to provide hot
water to heat something in the house?

I have a $300 generator and you probably have almost 50-60 times as
much in yours. Who is over thinking this?
If I was going to do this at my house I would heat exchange the
exhaust with a finned heat exchanger and a little pump, I already have
and some CPVC pipe plus a few fittings. I can use the drain cock at
the bottom of the tank and a hose bib I have at the top. No plumber
required if you can hook up a garden hose without calling one.
Well it is you, so who knows?

I doubt I will do anything for the once every 15 years power outage I
have.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:51:55 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:45 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:09:56 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


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Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message. Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show up at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever had to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see how our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one of his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out. We do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean, relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported. The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy. One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something like that anymore.



I've never used one of these but it might be worth looking into:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuraHeat-23-800-BTU-Indoor-Kerosene-Portable-Heater-DH2304/100045793?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-204700349-_-100045793-_-N

This type of heater was wildly popular around here around 30 years ago but we don't hear about them now. Wife is sensitive to fumes while I hate the smoke that seems to escape from our fireplace every time we open the tempered glass doors to add more logs.
A surprising small amount of heat came from my replica 'Hurricane Lantern' that burns lamp oil. I had this crazy urge to go walking up & down our pitch black street swinging it while calling out 'It's 10 o'clock all's well'.



Well, all I can suggest is that you immigrate to Florida.

My buddy in the BVI always claimed that Costs Rica was a good choice. You only needed to prove that you had a modest pension income to be allowed to retire there.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:50:15 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:40 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:59:59 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justanÂ* wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators.
Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model
generators were sold before I got there.Â* D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal.Â* These models are costly here....a
hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000
plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00.Â* Outrageous....first
that crap started with cars and then new boats.Â* Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this
morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Â* Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
Â* your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
Â* pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
Â* spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
Â* keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


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Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message.
Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is
getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday
afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the
wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the
street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut
the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show up
at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever had
to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see how
our tropical fish fare.Â* Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one of
his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out.Â* We
do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean,
relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted
from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor
grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who
owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and
then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be
time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting
stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported..
The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy.
One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost
twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something
like that anymore.



If you are looking for emergency heat, the smaller Hondas (e-2000i)
isn't for you.Â* If you have electric heat it's probably 240 volts which
the smaller Honda's don't produce.Â* You need something much bigger.


The little Honda works fine on a oil furnace.Â* All it has to do is run
the oil pump (probably an amp or less) and either a squirrel cage fan
(if forced air) or a circulating pump (if hot water baseboard).Â*Â* Mine
ran the oil heating system in the big, 8,000 sq ft house we used to have
with no problem.Â* It was baseboard, hot water heat.



Forgot ... you could run a 1500 watt space heater off the little Honda,
but that will draw about 12.5 amps from the little Honda. The e-2000i
is rated for 1800 watts continuous and 2000 watts peak. Plus, a 1500
watt space heater isn't going to heat much.

That was my general emergency plan. A small space heater and if needed something to keep the sump pump working. I was getting nervous Thursday night before the big temperature change. We received maybe a millimeter of snow and right away the high winds and heavy rain. I was down late that night using my hand bilge pump to take a dozen buckets of water out of the sump pump hole and carrying same over to a set tub to dump. I'd also like to keep the tropical fish warm. Right now the big alga eater is hugging up to the tube type aquarium heater. The last couple of days he's been hiding under his rock as the water temp got down to about 18C despite me heating pots full on our camp stove and carefully adding into the tank. I also gave them the last of our hot water from the 40 gal electric tank.


A small inverter and your boat battery will take care of the fish. :-)

Funny you should mention that. I was thinking of an inverter last night and I do have that 12v boat battery sitting in the basement illuminating my exercise room 24/7. I had just charged it up as I do now twice a month. At least that would keep the tropical fish happy. Youngest son brought that tank and a bunch of fish back home with him about 10 years ago. When he left again the tank and fish stayed...he said it was too much trouble to move.. Only one original fish left (Algae Eater) but I took over the duties of tank cleaning and one feeding a day. Wife stocks the tank as fish die off and does the morning feeding.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

True North wrote:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.

You'll need one over 2K for heat, lights, and the refrigerator. A hair
dyer will max out one of those.

Got natural gas? Spend the $5K and get a Generac for the whole house.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.

Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message. Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show up at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever had to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see how our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one of his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out. We do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean, relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported. The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy. One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something like that anymore.

"work up"?
"we put ont one..."?
"easilt"?

Nice job, spelling cop.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:59:59 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators.
Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model
generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a
hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000
plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first
that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this
morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.

Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message.
Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is
getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday
afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the
wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the
street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut
the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show up
at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever had
to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see how
our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one of
his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out. We
do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean,
relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted
from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor
grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who
owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and
then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be
time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting
stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported.
The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy.
One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost
twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something
like that anymore.


If you are looking for emergency heat, the smaller Hondas (e-2000i)
isn't for you. If you have electric heat it's probably 240 volts which
the smaller Honda's don't produce. You need something much bigger.

The little Honda works fine on a oil furnace. All it has to do is run
the oil pump (probably an amp or less) and either a squirrel cage fan
(if forced air) or a circulating pump (if hot water baseboard). Mine
ran the oil heating system in the big, 8,000 sq ft house we used to have
with no problem. It was baseboard, hot water heat.


Forgot ... you could run a 1500 watt space heater off the little Honda,
but that will draw about 12.5 amps from the little Honda. The e-2000i
is rated for 1800 watts continuous and 2000 watts peak. Plus, a 1500
watt space heater isn't going to heat much.
That was my general emergency plan. A small space heater and if needed something to keep the sump pump working. I was getting nervous Thursday night before the big temperature change. We received maybe a millimeter of snow and right away the high winds and heavy rain. I was down late that night using my hand bilge pump to take a dozen buckets of water out of the sump pump hole and carrying same over to a set tub to dump. I'd also like to keep the tropical fish warm. Right now the big alga eater is hugging up to the tube type aquarium heater. The last couple of days he's been hiding under his rock as the water temp got down to about 18C despite me heating pots full on our camp stove and carefully adding into the tank. I also gave them the last of our hot water from the 40 gal electric tank.

You initiate your "general emergency plan" *after* your power is out?
That's a bad plan.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:51:55 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:45 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:09:56 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators.
Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model
generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a
hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000
plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00.
Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on
generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message.
Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat is getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday
afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure the
wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up the
street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to cut
the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks show
up at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix whatever
had to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still waiting to see
how our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great but we put ont one
of his jackets this morning. It was getting real cold inside and out.
We do have electric baseboard heating. Thought it was a good clean,
relatively cheap conversion from the former oil furnace (converted
from coal in 1959) that only send warm air upwards through a floor
grate in our entrance hallway. House built during WW2 and guy who
owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and
then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may be
time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting
stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt transported.
The ones left at the dealership were big and expensive..and heavy.
One 2800w model roughly the same price as the 2000I weighed almost
twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to carry her end on something like that anymore.



I've never used one of these but it might be worth looking into:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuraHeat-23-800-BTU-Indoor-Kerosene-Portable-Heater-DH2304/100045793?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-204700349-_-100045793-_-N

This type of heater was wildly popular around here around 30 years ago
but we don't hear about them now. Wife is sensitive to fumes while I
hate the smoke that seems to escape from our fireplace every time we
open the tempered glass doors to add more logs.
A surprising small amount of heat came from my replica 'Hurricane
Lantern' that burns lamp oil. I had this crazy urge to go walking up &
down our pitch black street swinging it while calling out 'It's 10 o'clock all's well'.



Well, all I can suggest is that you immigrate to Florida.

My buddy in the BVI always claimed that Costs Rica was a good choice.
You only needed to prove that you had a modest pension income to be
allowed to retire there.


I have a couple of union buddies who retired there. They love it.

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:45 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:09:56 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 1:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 6 January 2018 11:42:35 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators.
Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model
generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a
hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000
plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00.
Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new
boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this
morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Bundle up real good. Have you put a deposit on a genset yet?
Better yet prepay for one and go to the head of the line. How is
your house heated? Please don't say elec. Have you protected your
pipes from freezing? How about your heating system? Watch out for
spoiled food in your freezer and fridge. Hopefully you are
keeping your dog warm.
Good luck, buddy.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

Oops..meant to say we were back on power when I sent that message.
Just work up from a snooze on the reclining chair...all this heat
is getting to me.
We actually lost power early in the storm at 1505hrs on Thursday
afternoon. Power company arrived quick enough..but only to secure
the wire knocked down by a large tree branch a few hundred feet up
the street. It took a full 24 hours for the city crew to show up to
cut the big hanging tree limb down and then 3 power company trucks
show up at 0720hrs this morning. Took them about 4 hours to fix
whatever had to be fixed in very cold windy weather. I'm still
waiting to see how our tropical fish fare. Spring Spaniel great
but we put ont one of his jackets this morning. It was getting real
cold inside and out. We do have electric baseboard heating.
Thought it was a good clean, relatively cheap conversion from the
former oil furnace (converted from coal in 1959) that only send
warm air upwards through a floor grate in our entrance hallway.
House built during WW2 and guy who owned it was tight with a dollar.
Anyway, all is good now but after losing power to a fallen limb and
then Hurricane Juan back in 2003 and then this weeks storm, if may
be time to prepare better....especially since winds keep getting
stronger. (there's your Global Warming at work).
As far as the generator, I want something that is easilt
transported. The ones left at the dealership were big and
expensive..and heavy. One 2800w model roughly the same price as
the 2000I weighed almost twice as much. Can't rely on the wife to
carry her end on something like that anymore.



I've never used one of these but it might be worth looking into:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DuraHeat-23-800-BTU-Indoor-Kerosene-Portable-Heater-DH2304/100045793?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-204700349-_-100045793-_-N


This type of heater was wildly popular around here around 30 years
ago but we don't hear about them now. Wife is sensitive to fumes
while I hate the smoke that seems to escape from our fireplace every
time we open the tempered glass doors to add more logs.
A surprising small amount of heat came from my replica 'Hurricane
Lantern' that burns lamp oil. I had this crazy urge to go walking up
& down our pitch black street swinging it while calling out 'It's 10
o'clock all's well'.



Well, all I can suggest is that you immigrate to Florida.


Bad suggestion.

43 and a half hours without power...
 

Tim wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 1:39:34 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/6/2018 2:16 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- hide quoted text -
On 1/6/18 10:13 AM, True North wrote:
Now I'm ready to move on one of those Honda 2000 generators. Contacted both local dealerships and all 1000 and 2000 model generators were sold before I got there. D'oh.

Shipments on way from Montreal. These models are costly here...a hair over 1K for the smaller unit and just over 1.3K for the 2000 plus HST and a PDI and freight charge of $75.00. Outrageous...first that crap started with cars and then new boats. Now on generators??

By the way it was just below 45 degrees F inside our house this morning.
No country for girliemen Jack Goff.


Grim... :(

....

Very “grim� indeed. 2000w. won’t get you much 4500 will run a deep freezer and 2 refrigerators and struggle at that.
To do a comfortable job a person needs at least 6-8000

It takes a lot of energy to run a simple house...


My little 2000w Honda ran two, full sized refrigerators, a couple of
lights and a flat panel TV with no problem. I left it on the "eco" mode
(idle) and the only time it automatically reves up is when one of the
refrig compressors started. It would then drop back to idle. It has
never tripped.

During the last longer term outage a few years ago I'd wire it into the
furnace circuit for a while to heat the house. Then, I'd switch it back
to the refrigerators. Worked out good and burned less than 5 gals of
gas over a 4 day period with the generator running 24 hours.

The idle speed can still produces about 6 amps continuously. After the
initial current draw to start the compressor in a refrig, the draw drops
to under 2 amps typically. That's what is so nice about the inverter
type generators. They don't have to run at full speed to generate 120
volts at 60Hz and the fuel consumption is very low compared to the
contractor type generators that always run at 3600 rpm.
Chances are, your appliances were much more eco-friendly than my dads 30+ year old stuff. and that was 15 years ago.

First I let the little 4000w Briggs warm up then plugged in a refrigerator and let it run till it stabilized. Then plug in another. It worked hard at it but it did recover. Last was the little freezer. The little Briggs labored hard. I knew it'd stall but it didn't. It did carry all three, but I don't see how. The initial start up of the appliances was the hardest. Once all going. everything was ok

Generator manufacturers almost always have a big label on the front with
the peak output. That 4KW could be rated as low as 2.8KW running.
Generac seems to label theirs with the running output which is a plus
for them but puts them at a disadvantage for comparison purposes.