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John H[_2_] January 2nd 18 01:31 PM

So cold!
 
A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] January 2nd 18 02:45 PM

So cold!
 
On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)



Tim January 2nd 18 02:46 PM

So cold!
 

7:31 AMJohn H
A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.
....

Bright warm sun here but still -2.

That’s the saying about our Illinois Madigans

Its Me January 2nd 18 03:12 PM

So cold!
 
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


Yeah, it was 13 F here this morning, and will barely break freezing for a few hours today. Then back down into the teens tonight. Wintry mix headed in Wednesday down on the coast, but it's not supposed to extend up this far into the midlands. That's unusual... it normally comes from the NW, not the coast. You son should get a dose of it. Tell him to stock up on milk and bread early, there won't be any available tomorrow. :)

Mr. Luddite[_4_] January 2nd 18 03:47 PM

So cold!
 
On 1/2/2018 10:12 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


Yeah, it was 13 F here this morning, and will barely break freezing for a few hours today. Then back down into the teens tonight. Wintry mix headed in Wednesday down on the coast, but it's not supposed to extend up this far into the midlands. That's unusual... it normally comes from the NW, not the coast. You son should get a dose of it. Tell him to stock up on milk and bread early, there won't be any available tomorrow. :)



He's been sending me text messages with pictures of the temp down there.
It's cold, but not like up here. He does it just to rub it in. I am
hoping this coastal storm dumps about a foot of snow in his driveway.



Keyser Soze January 2nd 18 04:52 PM

So cold!
 
On 1/2/18 10:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 10:12 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a
liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave.Â* I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so.Â* That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time.Â* Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F).Â* For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best.Â* 0
degrees yesterday morning.Â* This morning it actually warmed up to 3
degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout!Â*Â* :-)


Yeah, it was 13 F here this morning, and will barely break freezing
for a few hours today.Â* Then back down into the teens tonight.Â* Wintry
mix headed in Wednesday down on the coast, but it's not supposed to
extend up this far into the midlands.Â* That's unusual... it normally
comes from the NW, not the coast.Â* You son should get a dose of it.
Tell him to stock up on milk and bread early, there won't be any
available tomorrow.Â* :)



He's been sending me text messages with pictures of the temp down there.
Â*It's cold, but not like up here.Â* He does it just to rub it in.Â* I am
hoping this coastal storm dumps about a foot of snow in his driveway.




We have a small window of snow opportunity on Thursday, but not much.
Plenty cold, though.

[email protected] January 2nd 18 05:26 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 08:31:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


Harry will be happy that I was not wearing my "board shorts" this
morning when I did "water".
At 0700 it was overcast and 10c here (50f) with the wind blowing 12-15
out of the north. It seemed colder on the water. Water temp was 17.9c
(64f).
It is up to a tad over 60f now that the sun is out.

John H[_2_] January 2nd 18 05:47 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

True North[_2_] January 2nd 18 06:08 PM

So cold!
 
On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 10:45:56 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


Don't like this...we very seldom have a white Christmas here in the city and the cold weather usually holds off till January or February. This might make for a long winter as spring arrives about a month after you get it.

True North[_2_] January 2nd 18 06:13 PM

So cold!
 
On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 10:46:06 UTC-4, Tim wrote:
7:31 AMJohn H
A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.
...

Bright warm sun here but still -2.

That’s the saying about our Illinois Madigans


Tim, you're close to St Louis, eh?
Saw a cable program 'Abandoned' the other day about how the population had dropped in the city. Also the 22 schools that have closed up and are just left to fall apart. Too bad...that big arch and skyline always made the city seem prosperous.

Tim January 2nd 18 07:39 PM

So cold!
 

9:12 AMIts Me
- show quoted text -
Yeah, it was 13 F here this morning, and will barely break freezing for a few hours today. Then back down into the teens tonight. Wintry mix headed in Wednesday down on the coast, but it's not supposed to extend up this far into the midlands. That's unusual... it normally comes from the NW, not the coast. You son should get a dose of it. Tell him to stock up on milk and bread early, there won't be any available tomorrow. :)
...

If there’s a hard winter storm from coming through here, the store shelves are immediately emptied of all the bread, milk, and beer.,.

[email protected] January 2nd 18 07:42 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


===

You can take your truck, or any vehicle, to an AutoZone store and they
will diagnose it for you right on the spot at no charge.

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[email protected] January 2nd 18 09:01 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 11:52:37 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/2/18 10:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 10:12 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a
liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave.Â* I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so.Â* That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time.Â* Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F).Â* For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best.Â* 0
degrees yesterday morning.Â* This morning it actually warmed up to 3
degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout!Â*Â* :-)

Yeah, it was 13 F here this morning, and will barely break freezing
for a few hours today.Â* Then back down into the teens tonight.Â* Wintry
mix headed in Wednesday down on the coast, but it's not supposed to
extend up this far into the midlands.Â* That's unusual... it normally
comes from the NW, not the coast.Â* You son should get a dose of it.
Tell him to stock up on milk and bread early, there won't be any
available tomorrow.Â* :)



He's been sending me text messages with pictures of the temp down there.
Â*It's cold, but not like up here.Â* He does it just to rub it in.Â* I am
hoping this coastal storm dumps about a foot of snow in his driveway.




We have a small window of snow opportunity on Thursday, but not much.
Plenty cold, though.


The news here made it sound like you were going to get clobbered. They
don't really differentiate between north and south of DC tho.
The worst case for So Md is a low coming up from the south, crashing
into a cold front coming across the mountains and stalling there.
I am not sure of that is what is going on but if that is true, you
will get buried if it is cold enough. Usually the snow stops in
Montgomery County tho because the warm air from the bay and ocean hold
it back.
There were lots of nights when I left Clinton in sleet and freezing
rain to hit 4" or more of snow about the time I got to Rockville. By
the time you got to Gathersburg/Germantown it was a white out.

[email protected] January 2nd 18 09:07 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] January 2nd 18 09:10 PM

So cold!
 
On 1/2/2018 1:08 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 10:45:56 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


Don't like this...we very seldom have a white Christmas here in the city and the cold weather usually holds off till January or February. This might make for a long winter as spring arrives about a month after you get it.



My acceptance of Global Warming is definitely being challenged.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] January 2nd 18 09:20 PM

So cold!
 
On 1/2/2018 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.


He has a diesel. Completely different system. In fact, it may not have
an O2 sensor at all. In a diesel, it gets full air and only the fuel
delivery through the injectors are controlled.


John H[_2_] January 2nd 18 09:22 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:13:19 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 10:46:06 UTC-4, Tim wrote:
7:31 AMJohn H
A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.
...

Bright warm sun here but still -2.

That’s the saying about our Illinois Madigans


Tim, you're close to St Louis, eh?
Saw a cable program 'Abandoned' the other day about how the population had dropped in the city. Also the 22 schools that have closed up and are just left to fall apart. Too bad...that big arch and skyline always made the city seem prosperous.


For the past 60+ years the mayor of St. Louis has been a Democrat. It is suffering from the same
pains as many of our other major cities that have been led by Democrats for the past many years. As
long as the welfare keeps flowing, they'll continue to get elected and we'll see our big cities
become like Detroit.

John H[_2_] January 2nd 18 09:25 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 14:42:40 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


===

You can take your truck, or any vehicle, to an AutoZone store and they
will diagnose it for you right on the spot at no charge.

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No, no, no! I bought one of those OBD2 scan tools, and by gar, I'm going to do it myself. Although,
I may take it to the Autozone across the street to get my findings verified.

John H[_2_] January 2nd 18 09:28 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.


If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Its Me January 2nd 18 09:44 PM

So cold!
 
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 4:28:44 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.


If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.


If you think about it, the remote starter has to tell the vehicle that your foot is on the brake with the "key" in the ignition and in the "start" position, then the "run" position to start it and keep it running. I would think it's done with software control and data these days, but if it's still done with relays simulating sensor activation, I could see the "run" relay being bad.

Be aware that your code scanner does engine codes, but there's a more advanced scanner that the dealership (and some indies) have that can also scan chassis codes. They are not standard codes but are specific to each manufacturer.

When the Corvette's braking ECM died, my scanner told me almost nothing (the dash info center told me more!). The indie shop had the GM scanner, and in less than two minutes told me exactly what was wrong.

John H[_2_] January 2nd 18 10:08 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 16:20:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.


He has a diesel. Completely different system. In fact, it may not have
an O2 sensor at all. In a diesel, it gets full air and only the fuel
delivery through the injectors are controlled.


It has a mass air flow sensor. Went out on one of our camping trips. The Chevy place got a good
price for the diagnosis, installation, and subsequent testing. They charged me over $400 for the
sensor, which I could probably have picked up for around $200 on Amazon. But, when you're away from
home, you're kind of at their mercy. At least they did the fix in one afternoon.

[email protected] January 3rd 18 02:37 AM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 16:20:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/2/2018 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.


He has a diesel. Completely different system. In fact, it may not have
an O2 sensor at all. In a diesel, it gets full air and only the fuel
delivery through the injectors are controlled.


I did not know we were talking about diesel but I still bet there is a
computer in there metering the fuel based on what it smells in the
exhaust somehow.

[email protected] January 3rd 18 02:39 AM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.


That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.


If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.


Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] January 3rd 18 10:26 AM

So cold!
 
On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.


If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.


Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.

Keyser Söze January 3rd 18 11:32 AM

So cold!
 
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw
a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years,
decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light
showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all.
I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the
problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.


Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


I don’t think Herring has a glow plug. :)

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

Tim January 3rd 18 01:24 PM

So cold!
 
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 3:22:57 PM UTC-6, John H wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:13:19 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 10:46:06 UTC-4, Tim wrote:
7:31 AMJohn H
A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.
...

Bright warm sun here but still -2.

That’s the saying about our Illinois Madigans


Tim, you're close to St Louis, eh?
Saw a cable program 'Abandoned' the other day about how the population had dropped in the city. Also the 22 schools that have closed up and are just left to fall apart. Too bad...that big arch and skyline always made the city seem prosperous.


For the past 60+ years the mayor of St. Louis has been a Democrat. It is suffering from the same
pains as many of our other major cities that have been led by Democrats for the past many years. As
long as the welfare keeps flowing, they'll continue to get elected and we'll see our big cities
become like Detroit.


Look at Ferguson...

Bill[_12_] January 3rd 18 02:15 PM

So cold!
 
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw
a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years,
decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light
showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all.
I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the
problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.


Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


Johns diesel may be jelling the diesel at those temps you people are
experiencing. May need the additives.


John H[_2_] January 3rd 18 02:50 PM

So cold!
 
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:39:19 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.


If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.


Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.


No. Standing outside the truck. Using the remote, hit the lock, hit starter button, hold it about 7
seconds, truck starts - everthing normal so far. But within about two seconds the engine stops.

John H[_2_] January 3rd 18 02:51 PM

So cold!
 
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:26:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.


Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


Yeah, I've got eight of the little *******s. And they're a pain in the ass to change. But, I would
think the glow plug process would be part of the remote start process when it's cold.

Its Me January 3rd 18 02:52 PM

So cold!
 
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 8:24:22 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 3:22:57 PM UTC-6, John H wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:13:19 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 10:46:06 UTC-4, Tim wrote:
7:31 AMJohn H
A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.
...

Bright warm sun here but still -2.

That’s the saying about our Illinois Madigans

Tim, you're close to St Louis, eh?
Saw a cable program 'Abandoned' the other day about how the population had dropped in the city. Also the 22 schools that have closed up and are just left to fall apart. Too bad...that big arch and skyline always made the city seem prosperous.


For the past 60+ years the mayor of St. Louis has been a Democrat. It is suffering from the same
pains as many of our other major cities that have been led by Democrats for the past many years. As
long as the welfare keeps flowing, they'll continue to get elected and we'll see our big cities
become like Detroit.


Look at Ferguson...


I went to St. Louis not too long after the incident in Ferguson to support a sales trip. While we stayed in St Louis, the client was in East St Louis.. Both areas, especially ESL, were fairly depressing and blighted. We did eat dinner one night on "The Hill", an Italian neighborhood with some good restaurants. Had lunch the next day at a small Iranian place in the artsy area of town. Very good and interesting, the owner was really nice and helped us with the menu.

The place was nowhere as bad as Detroit (for example), but you could see and sort of feel the decay.

John H[_2_] January 3rd 18 02:52 PM

So cold!
 
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:15:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw
a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years,
decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light
showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all.
I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the
problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


Johns diesel may be jelling the diesel at those temps you people are
experiencing. May need the additives.


No, no, no additives. It starts just fine with the key in the ignition.

John H[_2_] January 3rd 18 02:53 PM

So cold!
 
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 06:32:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw
a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years,
decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light
showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all.
I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the
problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


I don’t think Herring has a glow plug. :)


Ass clown. To be defined in separate thread...with photo.

Tim January 3rd 18 03:53 PM

So cold!
 
Its Me
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 8:24:22 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 3:22:57 PM UTC-6, John H wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:13:19 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 10:46:06 UTC-4, Tim wrote:
7:31 AMJohn H
A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.
...

Bright warm sun here but still -2.

That’s the saying about our Illinois Madigans

Tim, you're close to St Louis, eh?
Saw a cable program 'Abandoned' the other day about how the population had dropped in the city. Also the 22 schools that have closed up and are just left to fall apart. Too bad...that big arch and skyline always made the city seem prosperous.


For the past 60+ years the mayor of St. Louis has been a Democrat. It is suffering from the same
pains as many of our other major cities that have been led by Democrats for the past many years. As
long as the welfare keeps flowing, they'll continue to get elected and we'll see our big cities
become like Detroit.


Look at Ferguson...


I went to St. Louis not too long after the incident in Ferguson to support a sales trip. While we stayed in St Louis, the client was in East St Louis.. Both areas, especially ESL, were fairly depressing and blighted. We did eat dinner one night on "The Hill", an Italian neighborhood with some good restaurants. Had lunch the next day at a small Iranian place in the artsy area of town. Very good and interesting, the owner was really nice and helped us with the menu.

The place was nowhere as bad as Detroit (for example), but you could see and sort of feel the decay.
....

Oh yeah. Old factories with brick falling off and crumbling. Boarded up buildings with weeds and trash full of vagrants. City block after city block of it.

But you’re right. The food Is great on Daygo Hill!

Mr. Luddite[_4_] January 3rd 18 04:25 PM

So cold!
 
On 1/3/2018 9:15 AM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw
a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years,
decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light
showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all.
I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the
problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


Johns diesel may be jelling the diesel at those temps you people are
experiencing. May need the additives.


Doubtful. Diesel fuel has all the additives it needs. In fact, places
that still have oil home heating and the tanks are located outside, they
fill them with off-road diesel fuel instead of regular heating oil.



Mr. Luddite[_4_] January 3rd 18 04:28 PM

So cold!
 
On 1/3/2018 9:51 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:26:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


Yeah, I've got eight of the little *******s. And they're a pain in the ass to change. But, I would
think the glow plug process would be part of the remote start process when it's cold.


You'd think. Is there a delay from the time you push the remote to
start it until the engine actually turns over? The glow plugs need a
few seconds to heat up. Maybe your remote is designed more for using in
hot weather where you want to start the AC ahead of time.



Mr. Luddite[_4_] January 3rd 18 04:29 PM

So cold!
 
On 1/3/2018 9:50 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:39:19 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.


Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.


No. Standing outside the truck. Using the remote, hit the lock, hit starter button, hold it about 7
seconds, truck starts - everthing normal so far. But within about two seconds the engine stops.



It's broke.

:-)



[email protected] January 3rd 18 05:11 PM

So cold!
 
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:15:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw
a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years,
decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light
showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all.
I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the
problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


Johns diesel may be jelling the diesel at those temps you people are
experiencing. May need the additives.


The guys I knew who had the old 70s GM diesel cars used to squirt a
gallon or so of gasoline in the tank in the winter so they would
start. They still were pretty cranky in the winter and that was the DC
winter, not the Boston or Chicago winter.

John H[_2_] January 3rd 18 07:08 PM

So cold!
 
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:28:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/3/2018 9:51 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:26:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


Yeah, I've got eight of the little *******s. And they're a pain in the ass to change. But, I would
think the glow plug process would be part of the remote start process when it's cold.


You'd think. Is there a delay from the time you push the remote to
start it until the engine actually turns over? The glow plugs need a
few seconds to heat up. Maybe your remote is designed more for using in
hot weather where you want to start the AC ahead of time.


Yup, I have to hold the start button on the remote for 7-8 seconds. That's what makes me think the
glow plugs would be part of the process. The glow plug light stays on for only a couple seconds when
I'm starting the truck from the inside.

John H[_2_] January 3rd 18 07:09 PM

So cold!
 
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:29:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/3/2018 9:50 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:39:19 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.


No. Standing outside the truck. Using the remote, hit the lock, hit starter button, hold it about 7
seconds, truck starts - everthing normal so far. But within about two seconds the engine stops.



It's broke.

:-)


Yup. Think you're right. The big question is 'how broke?'

[email protected] January 3rd 18 08:18 PM

So cold!
 
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:28:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/3/2018 9:51 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:26:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:38 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:07:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:47:56 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:45:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/2/2018 8:31 AM, John H wrote:

A friend reported it was so cold this morning that he actually saw a liberal with his hands in his
own pockets!

Pushing 12F right now.


A regular heat wave. I'll take it.

Eyeing this potential coastal storm for Thurs - Fri.
Might luck out and have it go too far out to sea. Otherwise ...

Only problem is that after it passes, the cold returns with overnight
lows predicted to be minus 8 or so. That's temp, not wind chill.

This has been one of the coldest December/January months I can remember
having for a long time. Soon will break a 100 year record for temps
remaining below 20 (F). For the past week the daytime temps haven't
even got close to 20, staying in the low to mid teens at best. 0
degrees yesterday morning. This morning it actually warmed up to 3 degrees.

Remote starter getting a workout! :-)


My remote starter, which has been working just fine for years, decided to go haywire. The truck
starts, runs about three seconds and dies. A 'check engine' light showed up about two weeks ago, and
I've not yet run the diagnostics. Maybe they are related.

That could be a bad sensor. It runs in "open cycle" when it first
starts then switches to "closed cycle" where the ECU controls the
emissions and a bad O2 sensor or MAF sensor can screw up the mix
enough so it stalls at idle.

If I start it with the key in the ignition, there's no problem at all. I've had an MAF sensor go
bad. That affects the running of the truck. Don't think that's the problem, or at least I hope not.
Those damn sensors are not cheap.

Are you touching the gas pedal? Nobody does that with the remote.



Don't know how John's diesel truck works but both my former Ford F-350
diesel and John Deere tractor diesel had glow plugs. I didn't have a
remote starter for either. In the truck you'd turn the ignition key to
"on" and a glow plug light would illuminate. You waited for it to go
out (only took a few seconds) and then you'd start it. On the tractor
the procedure to start in cold weather was to advance the hand throttle
control to almost full throttle, turn the key to the left for about
15-20 seconds that would heat up the glow plug and then turn to the
right to start, with your other hand on the throttle arm. As soon as it
fired, you pulled the throttle back to idle.

I don't even know if John's truck has a glow plug.


Yeah, I've got eight of the little *******s. And they're a pain in the ass to change. But, I would
think the glow plug process would be part of the remote start process when it's cold.


You'd think. Is there a delay from the time you push the remote to
start it until the engine actually turns over? The glow plugs need a
few seconds to heat up. Maybe your remote is designed more for using in
hot weather where you want to start the AC ahead of time.


If it fires at all the glow plugs did all they can do the way I
understand it but maybe the cylinders are still not hot enough to
support combustion. Try starting it normally, run it a minute or so,
turn it off, then try the remote start.


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