On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the christian
right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of study
in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your helter-skelter
education has given you little more than blinders and an intellectually
terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to seek perfection in
humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions and
own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study? Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:14:26 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the christian
right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of study
in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your helter-skelter
education has given you little more than blinders and an intellectually
terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to seek perfection in
humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions and
own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study? Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?

LOL!

On 12/17/17 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of
study in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your
helter-skelter education has given you little more than blinders and
an intellectually terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to
seek perfection in humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions
and own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study?Â* Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?


D'oh. No. It could be a series of courses put together with a
reading/study syllabus that exposes you to the great and not so great
thinkers and writers in a field in a progressive way, for example, that
helps you better understand how it evolved, the how and why the field
changed, who changed it, what got discarded, what got included. This is
somewhat more involved than reading a couple of usenet articles and
saying you therefore understand the history of democracy.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:18:48 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 12/17/17 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...” bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of
study in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your
helter-skelter education has given you little more than blinders and
an intellectually terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to
seek perfection in humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions
and own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study?* Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?


D'oh. No. It could be a series of courses put together with a
reading/study syllabus that exposes you to the great and not so great
thinkers and writers in a field in a progressive way, for example, that
helps you better understand how it evolved, the how and why the field
changed, who changed it, what got discarded, what got included. This is
somewhat more involved than reading a couple of usenet articles and
saying you therefore understand the history of democracy.


I was right.

You're no more than a f'ing blowhard, Krause.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of
study in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your
helter-skelter education has given you little more than blinders and
an intellectually terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to
seek perfection in humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions
and own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study?Â* Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?


D'oh. No. It could be a series of courses put together with a
reading/study syllabus that exposes you to the great and not so great
thinkers and writers in a field in a progressive way, for example, that
helps you better understand how it evolved, the how and why the field
changed, who changed it, what got discarded, what got included. This is
somewhat more involved than reading a couple of usenet articles and
saying you therefore understand the history of democracy.


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

When you are talking classic math and some aspects of science
"discipline" is an admirable trait but if you are too disciplined in
believing what is true now, will always be true, even science will not
advance. It was not that long ago that "science" believed we could not
break the sound barrier or split the atom. They could prove it to you
on paper. Those "facts" became obsolete in a little over a decade.

On 12/17/17 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

When you are talking classic math and some aspects of science
"discipline" is an admirable trait but if you are too disciplined in
believing what is true now, will always be true, even science will not
advance. It was not that long ago that "science" believed we could not
break the sound barrier or split the atom. They could prove it to you
on paper. Those "facts" became obsolete in a little over a decade.


I wasn't talking about discipline as Bill "defined" it. I was describing
a carefully thought out plan of study.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

When you are talking classic math and some aspects of science
"discipline" is an admirable trait but if you are too disciplined in
believing what is true now, will always be true, even science will not
advance. It was not that long ago that "science" believed we could not
break the sound barrier or split the atom. They could prove it to you
on paper. Those "facts" became obsolete in a little over a decade.


I wasn't talking about discipline as Bill "defined" it. I was describing
a carefully thought out plan of study.


Bull****. I described a very disciplined course of study. What really
disciplined courses are most liberal arts degree programs.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:21:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/17/17 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

When you are talking classic math and some aspects of science
"discipline" is an admirable trait but if you are too disciplined in
believing what is true now, will always be true, even science will not
advance. It was not that long ago that "science" believed we could not
break the sound barrier or split the atom. They could prove it to you
on paper. Those "facts" became obsolete in a little over a decade.


I wasn't talking about discipline as Bill "defined" it. I was describing
a carefully thought out plan of study.

It seems to be what you mean tho. You want education to be by rote,
not using any critical thinking at all and you certainly would not
want to question a professor.