On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 11:32:37 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:01:35 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to inspect the damage. Easier and safer than a ladder.

I am not afraid of ladders but I can get up on my roof without one.
The edge is only about 7-8' off the ground.
I might play with a drone out in the mangroves but if it went down it
is probably gone forever.

My house is a two story on a sloping lot with the garage under the ground floor, so that roof is 3 stories up. Combined that with the extreme pitch of the roof, and I'm not getting up there.

My wife and her siblings had the idea of getting a canvas print made of their parent's house. After Thanksgiving lunch there, we loaded up in the car to come home. We drove to the end of the block, then I got out with the drone and flew it back down to their house so they wouldn't know. I took several shots, we picked the best one, and with a bit of photoshopping it was ready to send to the printers. We did a 24x30 and it came out great. Getting a little elevation in the perspective makes a big difference.

When we had the full eclipse back in August I went to my wife's place of employment to view it with her at their eclipse party. The president wanted a picture of all the employees, so after the eclipse they gathered them up and I got a shot of them from above looking up with their eclipse glasses on. They ended up getting it printed on a 30x40 canvas for their lobby and it appeared in their company newsletter (multi-national company).

Their are a lot of cool things you can do with one besides spying on your neighbors.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:29:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/13/2017 11:06 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/13/17 11:01 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will
reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration
requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has
pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally
required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and
cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.Â*

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the
roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to
inspect the damage.Â* Easier and safer than a ladder.



Pretty cool.


Now if they could only come out with an inexpensive drone powerful
enough to lift some of the people here .... including me. Don't like
ladders.


It may be too late for those of us who didn't develop it when we were
young but ladders are an acquired skill. I really got over my problems
with them when I put on the 2 story addition in Maryland. The peak
where I was hanging aluminum siding was about 25 feet up
That was 40 years ago tho. I carried 9 square of shingles up a ladder
too. (27 bundles) but it was only up one story on the ladder off the
deck in the rear and another story up the steps.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/1977%20house.jpg

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:02:21 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 11:32:37 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:01:35 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to inspect the damage. Easier and safer than a ladder.

I am not afraid of ladders but I can get up on my roof without one.
The edge is only about 7-8' off the ground.
I might play with a drone out in the mangroves but if it went down it
is probably gone forever.

My house is a two story on a sloping lot with the garage under the ground floor, so that roof is 3 stories up. Combined that with the extreme pitch of the roof, and I'm not getting up there.

That is like the side elevation of my Maryland house but the deck in
the back made it a 1 story up thing. I am in a ranch on a slab at
grade here.


My wife and her siblings had the idea of getting a canvas print made of their parent's house. After Thanksgiving lunch there, we loaded up in the car to come home. We drove to the end of the block, then I got out with the drone and flew it back down to their house so they wouldn't know. I took several shots, we picked the best
one, and with a bit of photoshopping it was ready to send to the printers. We did a 24x30 and it came out great. Getting a little elevation in the perspective makes a big difference.

I have 2 of those Giclee prints in the living room. You can have them
made online but we have a guy right here in town that does it. I
Emailed him the pictures and then went to his shop to get them.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/giclee%20living%20room.jpg

On 12/13/2017 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:29:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/13/2017 11:06 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/13/17 11:01 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will
reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration
requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has
pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally
required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and
cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.Â*

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the
roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to
inspect the damage.Â* Easier and safer than a ladder.



Pretty cool.


Now if they could only come out with an inexpensive drone powerful
enough to lift some of the people here .... including me. Don't like
ladders.


It may be too late for those of us who didn't develop it when we were
young but ladders are an acquired skill. I really got over my problems
with them when I put on the 2 story addition in Maryland. The peak
where I was hanging aluminum siding was about 25 feet up
That was 40 years ago tho. I carried 9 square of shingles up a ladder
too. (27 bundles) but it was only up one story on the ladder off the
deck in the rear and another story up the steps.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/1977%20house.jpg


When I was young ladders didn't bother me at all, nor did standing near
the edge of a high roof top.

I didn't really notice a "problem" until much later in life and the
first time was scary. I didn't expect any problem but when it hit, it
was hold on, close my eyes and wait until it passed.

On 12/13/2017 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2017 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:29:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/13/2017 11:06 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/13/17 11:01 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will
reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration
requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has
pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally
required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and
cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.Â*

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the
roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to
inspect the damage.Â* Easier and safer than a ladder.



Pretty cool.


Now if they could only come out with an inexpensive drone powerful
enough to lift some of the people hereÂ* .... including me.Â* Don't like
ladders.


It may be too late for those of us who didn't develop it when we were
young but ladders are an acquired skill. I really got over my problems
with them when I put on the 2 story addition in Maryland. The peak
where I was hanging aluminum siding was about 25 feet up
That was 40 years ago tho. I carried 9 square of shingles up a ladder
too. (27 bundles) but it was only up one story on the ladder off the
deck in the rear and another story up the steps.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/1977%20house.jpg


When I was young ladders didn't bother me at all, nor did standing near
the edge of a high roof top.

I didn't really notice a "problem" until much later in life and the
first time was scary.Â* I didn't expect any problem but when it hit, it
was hold on, close my eyes and wait until it passed.


Was just remembering one of my last adventures in the Navy. It was
during my last year and I wanted to climb one of the 800 ft towers that
surrounded and supported a 1200 ft ELF transmitter antenna. I got
permission to climb it and did so. Made it to the top and replaced the
red beacon light while I was there. The decent was much, much more
tiring than the climb up. Going up the ladders, you are using leg
muscles mostly but coming down you are using your arms much more. By
the time I got to the bottom I was shaking from muscle fatigue. Learned
some respect for the guys that do that on a regular basis.

Of course, I was about 29 years old then. Couldn't even think about it now.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:33:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/13/2017 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2017 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:29:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/13/2017 11:06 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/13/17 11:01 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will
reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration
requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has
pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally
required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and
cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.Â*

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the
roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to
inspect the damage.Â* Easier and safer than a ladder.



Pretty cool.


Now if they could only come out with an inexpensive drone powerful
enough to lift some of the people hereÂ* .... including me.Â* Don't like
ladders.


It may be too late for those of us who didn't develop it when we were
young but ladders are an acquired skill. I really got over my problems
with them when I put on the 2 story addition in Maryland. The peak
where I was hanging aluminum siding was about 25 feet up
That was 40 years ago tho. I carried 9 square of shingles up a ladder
too. (27 bundles) but it was only up one story on the ladder off the
deck in the rear and another story up the steps.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/1977%20house.jpg


When I was young ladders didn't bother me at all, nor did standing near
the edge of a high roof top.

I didn't really notice a "problem" until much later in life and the
first time was scary.Â* I didn't expect any problem but when it hit, it
was hold on, close my eyes and wait until it passed.


Was just remembering one of my last adventures in the Navy. It was
during my last year and I wanted to climb one of the 800 ft towers that
surrounded and supported a 1200 ft ELF transmitter antenna. I got
permission to climb it and did so. Made it to the top and replaced the
red beacon light while I was there. The decent was much, much more
tiring than the climb up. Going up the ladders, you are using leg
muscles mostly but coming down you are using your arms much more. By
the time I got to the bottom I was shaking from muscle fatigue. Learned
some respect for the guys that do that on a regular basis.

Of course, I was about 29 years old then. Couldn't even think about it now.


I notice that on a lot of things. Those 80 pound bags of concrete seem
to be getting a lot heavier but I do try to keep my climbing skills
intact. I was up in the oak tree next to house with a chain saw after
Irma cutting out broken branches. I did lower the saw on a rope tho
because I agree, down is harder than up. I do have a decent climbing
harness tho and I tied off. I ain't plumb dumb.

wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will
reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration
requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has pushed
for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally
required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and
cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..


My drone is a $13 indoor copter. Fun, and the grandkids like it. At my
boat storage yard, a guy was playing with his quad copter. Really nice
unit. He said it is limited to 4000’ but will go to 6000’. Says the
software and GPS will not let it fly in to FAA restrictive areas. But was
a $5000 rig.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2017 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2017 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:29:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/13/2017 11:06 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/13/17 11:01 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will
reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration
requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has
pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally
required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and
cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.Â*

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the
roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to
inspect the damage.Â* Easier and safer than a ladder.



Pretty cool.


Now if they could only come out with an inexpensive drone powerful
enough to lift some of the people hereÂ* .... including me.Â* Don't like
ladders.


It may be too late for those of us who didn't develop it when we were
young but ladders are an acquired skill. I really got over my problems
with them when I put on the 2 story addition in Maryland. The peak
where I was hanging aluminum siding was about 25 feet up
That was 40 years ago tho. I carried 9 square of shingles up a ladder
too. (27 bundles) but it was only up one story on the ladder off the
deck in the rear and another story up the steps.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/1977%20house.jpg


When I was young ladders didn't bother me at all, nor did standing near
the edge of a high roof top.

I didn't really notice a "problem" until much later in life and the
first time was scary.Â* I didn't expect any problem but when it hit, it
was hold on, close my eyes and wait until it passed.


Was just remembering one of my last adventures in the Navy. It was
during my last year and I wanted to climb one of the 800 ft towers that
surrounded and supported a 1200 ft ELF transmitter antenna. I got
permission to climb it and did so. Made it to the top and replaced the
red beacon light while I was there. The decent was much, much more
tiring than the climb up. Going up the ladders, you are using leg
muscles mostly but coming down you are using your arms much more. By
the time I got to the bottom I was shaking from muscle fatigue. Learned
some respect for the guys that do that on a regular basis.

Of course, I was about 29 years old then. Couldn't even think about it now.




Sort of like the steep stairs to the Control tower at Travis AFB. That was
a tiring climb.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:47:01 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2017 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2017 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:29:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/13/2017 11:06 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/13/17 11:01 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will
reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration
requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has
pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally
required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and
cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.*

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the
roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to
inspect the damage.* Easier and safer than a ladder.



Pretty cool.


Now if they could only come out with an inexpensive drone powerful
enough to lift some of the people here* .... including me.* Don't like
ladders.


It may be too late for those of us who didn't develop it when we were
young but ladders are an acquired skill. I really got over my problems
with them when I put on the 2 story addition in Maryland. The peak
where I was hanging aluminum siding was about 25 feet up
That was 40 years ago tho. I carried 9 square of shingles up a ladder
too. (27 bundles) but it was only up one story on the ladder off the
deck in the rear and another story up the steps.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/1977%20house.jpg


When I was young ladders didn't bother me at all, nor did standing near
the edge of a high roof top.

I didn't really notice a "problem" until much later in life and the
first time was scary.* I didn't expect any problem but when it hit, it
was hold on, close my eyes and wait until it passed.


Was just remembering one of my last adventures in the Navy. It was
during my last year and I wanted to climb one of the 800 ft towers that
surrounded and supported a 1200 ft ELF transmitter antenna. I got
permission to climb it and did so. Made it to the top and replaced the
red beacon light while I was there. The decent was much, much more
tiring than the climb up. Going up the ladders, you are using leg
muscles mostly but coming down you are using your arms much more. By
the time I got to the bottom I was shaking from muscle fatigue. Learned
some respect for the guys that do that on a regular basis.

Of course, I was about 29 years old then. Couldn't even think about it now.




Sort of like the steep stairs to the Control tower at Travis AFB. That was
a tiring climb.

Before getting drafted I built and worked on these surveying towers for the Coast & Geodetic Survey.
Wouldn't even consider it now.

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/...QS5qcGc=/?ref=

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:32:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:01:35 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:36:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/faa-uas-faq.aspx

"On December 12, 2017, President Trump signed legislation that will reverse the earlier court ruling
in the John Taylor case and restore the FAA’s UAS registration requirement, including for AMA
members.

AMA believes that registration makes sense at some level, but has pushed for a more reasonable
threshold. While we address these issues, members will be legally required to comply with the FAA
registration requirement."

Glad I wasn't one of the those who wrote FAA for a refund and cancellation of my number. But, I have
to admit I've not been doing much flying lately anyway!

I got my number for free during the initial offering but I don't have
a drone yet. I am still not sure why I want one..

I justified mine by doing my own roof inspection.

Actually, a co-worker had some roof damage from a storm, and when the roofing company came out to quote the work, they used a drone to inspect the damage. Easier and safer than a ladder.

I am not afraid of ladders but I can get up on my roof without one.
The edge is only about 7-8' off the ground.
I might play with a drone out in the mangroves but if it went down it
is probably gone forever.

You can get them with battery warnings and a 'come home' switch.