On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:12:40 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.

===

Not to mention LBJ who ramped up the Vietnam war under false pretenses
and started us down the road to a welfare state.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:33:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:12:40 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.

===

Not to mention LBJ who ramped up the Vietnam war under false pretenses
and started us down the road to a welfare state.

They have a hard time with LBJ. He gets presented as a liberal hero
but the tapes show that he was really pretty racist in private and his
war killed a disproportionate number of black kids.
It was actually FDR that started us down the road to a welfare state
but LBJ made that an expressway. FDR gets credited with creating
Social Security and LBJ brought us Medicare but they also doomed them
to failure by FDR starting the tradition of spending the surplus to
hide the cost of his war and LBJ rolling the whole thing into the
general fund to hide the cost of his war. Now they are simply unfunded
welfare programs.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:42:50 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:33:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:12:40 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.

===

Not to mention LBJ who ramped up the Vietnam war under false pretenses
and started us down the road to a welfare state.

They have a hard time with LBJ. He gets presented as a liberal hero
but the tapes show that he was really pretty racist in private and his
war killed a disproportionate number of black kids.
It was actually FDR that started us down the road to a welfare state
but LBJ made that an expressway. FDR gets credited with creating
Social Security and LBJ brought us Medicare but they also doomed them
to failure by FDR starting the tradition of spending the surplus to
hide the cost of his war and LBJ rolling the whole thing into the
general fund to hide the cost of his war. Now they are simply unfunded
welfare programs.

===

At least in theory, Social Security was supposed to be an insurance
and retirement savings program. That's not welfare in my book but
obviously it has morphed over time.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:16:01 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:42:50 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:33:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:12:40 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.

===

Not to mention LBJ who ramped up the Vietnam war under false pretenses
and started us down the road to a welfare state.

They have a hard time with LBJ. He gets presented as a liberal hero
but the tapes show that he was really pretty racist in private and his
war killed a disproportionate number of black kids.
It was actually FDR that started us down the road to a welfare state
but LBJ made that an expressway. FDR gets credited with creating
Social Security and LBJ brought us Medicare but they also doomed them
to failure by FDR starting the tradition of spending the surplus to
hide the cost of his war and LBJ rolling the whole thing into the
general fund to hide the cost of his war. Now they are simply unfunded
welfare programs.

===

At least in theory, Social Security was supposed to be an insurance
and retirement savings program. That's not welfare in my book but
obviously it has morphed over time.

There was no actual investment component so it was really a Ponzi. As
long as intake exceeded outflow, it was great, but so was Bernie
Madoff's scam.
In FDR's time, the demographics worked, In LBJs time, not so much.

On 11/24/17 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.


Neither Clinton nor Jack, Bobby, or Teddy Kennedy were ignorant,
incompetent, racist, sexist pedophiles.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:56:06 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/24/17 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.


Neither Clinton nor Jack, Bobby, or Teddy Kennedy were ignorant,
incompetent, racist, sexist pedophiles.

Jack and Bobby were arrogant, incompetent war mongers who damned near
caused WWIII over bull**** and Teddy murdered a girl, was implicated
in a rape and lied about it.
They also had a total disregard of the constitution with their various
crusades. JFK should have been impeached and Bobby should have gone to
jail, taking J.E. Hoover with him.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:47:53 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:56:06 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/24/17 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.


Neither Clinton nor Jack, Bobby, or Teddy Kennedy were ignorant,
incompetent, racist, sexist pedophiles.

Jack and Bobby were arrogant, incompetent war mongers who damned near
caused WWIII over bull**** and Teddy murdered a girl, was implicated
in a rape and lied about it.
They also had a total disregard of the constitution with their various
crusades. JFK should have been impeached and Bobby should have gone to
jail, taking J.E. Hoover with him.

===

I think murder is too strong a word for Teddy's transgression. You or
I in the same circumstances would probably have been charged with
felony Vehicular Manslaughter.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:24:27 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:47:53 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:56:06 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/24/17 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:32:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I appreciate that guys like you appreciate ignorant, incompetent,
racist, sexist, pedophiles for POTUS. I don't.

We lived through Bill Clinton and the murdering, raping Kennedys.


Neither Clinton nor Jack, Bobby, or Teddy Kennedy were ignorant,
incompetent, racist, sexist pedophiles.

Jack and Bobby were arrogant, incompetent war mongers who damned near
caused WWIII over bull**** and Teddy murdered a girl, was implicated
in a rape and lied about it.
They also had a total disregard of the constitution with their various
crusades. JFK should have been impeached and Bobby should have gone to
jail, taking J.E. Hoover with him.

===

I think murder is too strong a word for Teddy's transgression. You or
I in the same circumstances would probably have been charged with
felony Vehicular Manslaughter.

Felony DUI manslaughter can get you 20+ years (about the same as 2d
degree murder).
Teddy just got reelected for 40 more years.
That was just one dead girl. JFK/RFK's arrogance was far more
dangerous for the whole world. They risked nuclear war to get the
missiles out of Cuba and in the end they got the same deal Krushchev
wanted without all of the drama. (we took our missiles out of Turkey,
the Soviets took their missiles out of Cuba).

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:47:40 -0500, wrote:

Jack and Bobby were arrogant, incompetent war mongers who damned near
caused WWIII over bull**** and Teddy murdered a girl, was implicated
in a rape and lied about it.
They also had a total disregard of the constitution with their various
crusades. JFK should have been impeached and Bobby should have gone to
jail, taking J.E. Hoover with him.

===

I think murder is too strong a word for Teddy's transgression. You or
I in the same circumstances would probably have been charged with
felony Vehicular Manslaughter.

Felony DUI manslaughter can get you 20+ years (about the same as 2d
degree murder).

===

The primary difference is intent.