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John H Wrote in message:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump saidabout the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. I think the focus is only on the opioids right now. "Since 1999, the number of American overdose deaths involving opioids has quadrupled. From 2000 to 2015, more than 500,000 people died of drug overdoses, and opioids account for the majority of those." I knew the stats were bad, but I didn't realize they were that bad. I'm glad to see some F'ing Progressive Liberal has come up with some negative to say about Trump's declaration. "Former Rep. Patrick Kennedy, a member of the President's commission on opioid addiction, told CNN on Wednesday that he worries the President and his administration are using the opioid epidemic for photo ops." Madcow will probably have more to say, although I've never listened to her. Maybe Luddite will give us the word. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. They really need to look at the medical practitioners who got these people hooked in the first place |
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On 10/26/2017 10:58 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump saidabout the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. I think the focus is only on the opioids right now. "Since 1999, the number of American overdose deaths involving opioids has quadrupled. From 2000 to 2015, more than 500,000 people died of drug overdoses, and opioids account for the majority of those." I knew the stats were bad, but I didn't realize they were that bad. I'm glad to see some F'ing Progressive Liberal has come up with some negative to say about Trump's declaration. "Former Rep. Patrick Kennedy, a member of the President's commission on opioid addiction, told CNN on Wednesday that he worries the President and his administration are using the opioid epidemic for photo ops." Madcow will probably have more to say, although I've never listened to her. Maybe Luddite will give us the word. Sorry. I can only stomach about 30 seconds of her at a time. |
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On 10/26/2017 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. I've heard talk recently of a vaccine being developed to combat opioid addiction. |
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John H wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:46:46 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. They really need to look at the medical practitioners who got these people hooked in the first place They may be easier to go after than the folks bringing drugs across the border. Has not worked for more than 50years. |
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On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? |
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On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency * before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug * problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and * come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:25:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/26/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. I've heard talk recently of a vaccine being developed to combat opioid addiction. Wasn't that what methadone was supposed to do? The guy next door ended up hooked on methadone. It reminds me of people who got the gum to stop smoking and now they have a $250 a month gum habit. |
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On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency * before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug * problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and * come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. |
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On 10/26/2017 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:25:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. I've heard talk recently of a vaccine being developed to combat opioid addiction. Wasn't that what methadone was supposed to do? The guy next door ended up hooked on methadone. It reminds me of people who got the gum to stop smoking and now they have a $250 a month gum habit. No, this isn't methadone. Something new. Methadone works, but it's a long, long process. I know of someone who got hooked on heroin when she was in high school, about 20 years ago. Started with Oxycontin following a knee injury playing soccer. She has gone through detox, rehabs, etc. and was put on methadone which she has been taking for years. The methadone caused her to lose most of her hair and she gained a lot of weight. I just saw her for the first time in a couple of years this week. The docs have been weaning her off the methadone slowly and now takes a fraction of what she used to take. Her hair is returning, she has lost about 40 lbs and looks great. |
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On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency * before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug * problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and * come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. |
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On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and Â* come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:10:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? The only thing I have seen that works is hitting bottom hard, sleeping outdoors and perhaps with a little prison time but it is still not a certainty. The "kid" (I still think of him as a kid but he is over 50) next door seems to have turned the corner but it had nothing to do with rehab. He just got tired of sleeping in the woods when he wasn't locked up. I know Harry will scoff but he found Jesus too. He is not devout but he did find friends there who accepted him and are not stoned all the time. I think the black sheep brother in my wife's family may be turning it around too but he is over 60. (same deal almost exactly) I have not heard from my Marine Recon buddy recently but he was still bouncing off the bottom the last time I heard from him. The VA might even be an enabler in that case. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:18:50 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:25:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. I've heard talk recently of a vaccine being developed to combat opioid addiction. Wasn't that what methadone was supposed to do? The guy next door ended up hooked on methadone. It reminds me of people who got the gum to stop smoking and now they have a $250 a month gum habit. I'll have you know my gum habit runs less than $15/month! |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:36:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and Â* come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. That is certainly the pattern but I think the doctors leaned on drugs too much early on and not enough on physical therapy and saying "suck it up pussy". I know I have been offered, almost forced, to take prescriptions for drugs that were far too powerful for the pain I had and do nothing to mitigate the cause. This is everyone from my sports medicine guy to my dentist. In most cases that involve injury, the drugs actually exacerbate the injury because being numb, you keep re injuring yourself. Pain has a function in the body.. I will admit I am scared of "smack", in any form but that is because I have lots of experience with people who have had trouble (or still have trouble) with it. I also see little difference between Vicodin and black tar heroin if you are taking it. That is why the transition is so easy. When you chase the dragon you are putting your life on the line. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:45:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Most who are not just admitting they are junkies, still have pain complaints but I often wonder how much of that is psychosomatic and how much is just "couch disease". That fibromyralgia thing leaps to mind here. If I sit around all day, my back hurts too. Get up and do something. I feel better after cutting up 100 cubic yards or so of trees and dragging them to the curb than I have in years. Yeah I was a little sore a few days but I got over it. My knee that I am going to the doctor for tomorrow is actually better now. I still am going to have him take a look but I doubt I will do anything about it. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:28:15 -0400, John H
wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:18:50 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:25:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. I've heard talk recently of a vaccine being developed to combat opioid addiction. Wasn't that what methadone was supposed to do? The guy next door ended up hooked on methadone. It reminds me of people who got the gum to stop smoking and now they have a $250 a month gum habit. I'll have you know my gum habit runs less than $15/month! Wrigleys? |
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wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:36:21 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and Â* come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. That is certainly the pattern but I think the doctors leaned on drugs too much early on and not enough on physical therapy and saying "suck it up pussy". I know I have been offered, almost forced, to take prescriptions for drugs that were far too powerful for the pain I had and do nothing to mitigate the cause. This is everyone from my sports medicine guy to my dentist. In most cases that involve injury, the drugs actually exacerbate the injury because being numb, you keep re injuring yourself. Pain has a function in the body.. I will admit I am scared of "smack", in any form but that is because I have lots of experience with people who have had trouble (or still have trouble) with it. I also see little difference between Vicodin and black tar heroin if you are taking it. That is why the transition is so easy. When you chase the dragon you are putting your life on the line. Look at Steve Kerr, Warriors Basketball coach. He had failed back surgery. He tells why he is a cannabis user. He said the opioids and their side effects were way scary. And did no better job of relieving pain then pot gummy bears, with a whole lot more bad sides. |
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Its Me Wrote in message:
On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. More specifically, the line the union pays his wife to sell, weather she believes it or not. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/26/2017 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and Â* come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. He sure did. Talk about lack of empathy. :-) |
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Its Me Wrote in message: On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. More specifically, the line the union pays his wife to sell, weather she believes it or not. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ Make that whether -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/26/17 6:15 PM, justan wrote:
Its Me Wrote in message: On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. More specifically, the line the union pays his wife to sell, weather she believes it or not. D'uh. My wife doesn't sell the sort of bull**** that guides your vacuous life, **** for brains. She helps people with psychological-emotional problems, family problems, drug addiction problems, disaster relief problems, et cetera. It's too bad you have no one to contact to help you with your many psychological problems. |
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On 10/26/17 6:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote: On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency Â*Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug Â*Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and Â*Â* come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction.Â* Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. He sure did.Â* Talk about lack of empathy.Â*Â* :-) As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. |
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How will major media criticize this?
On 10/26/2017 6:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 6:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote: On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency Â*Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug Â*Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and Â*Â* come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction.Â* Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. He sure did.Â* Talk about lack of empathy.Â*Â* :-) As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. What makes you think us "assholes" don't? |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. Really? |
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On 10/26/17 6:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 4:24 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:10:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? The only thing I have seen that works is hitting bottom hard, sleeping outdoors and perhaps with a little prison time but it is still not a certainty. The "kid" (I still think of him as a kid but he is over 50) next door seems to have turned the corner but it had nothing to do with rehab. He just got tired of sleeping in the woods when he wasn't locked up. I know Harry will scoff but he found Jesus too. He is not devout but he did find friends there who accepted him and are not stoned all the time. I think the black sheep brother in my wife's family may be turning it around too but he is over 60. (same deal almost exactly) I have not heard from my Marine Recon buddy recently but he was still bouncing off the bottom the last time I heard from him. The VA might even be an enabler in that case. The VA up here has an excellent, long term treatment program that is highly successful for those who go through the entire 6 months. The problem is most will lose their jobs after 30 days and addicts and alcoholics don't always want to face that, especially when they have financial obligations to families, etc. They have to hit "rock bottom" before they are willing to consider it. Â*However, the VA also has a placement program for those who need to find a new job once they have "graduated". It's great that the VA does that. Too many private insurance providers only provide a much shorter stay and many times that simply isn't long enough. |
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How will major media criticize this?
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:58:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. Really? Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering and placing 12" concrete line block Been there, done that Also collected the block from numerous job sites, loaded it, unloaded it and carried it to the job. I mixed my own mortar, set up the scaffolding and loaded the block on the scaffold. Want to talk about hand pouring a tie beam on top of the wall? (mixing the concrete in a 3 bag mixer) Setting the trusses and doing the roofing? Hand digging footers? This last few weeks I have been dragging limbs the size of your leg along with tree trunks that go up to about 1000 pounds. All of this in SW Florida where it is too hot for you to sit by the pool ... next. |
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On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 9:37:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:58:33 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. Really? Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering and placing 12" concrete line block Been there, done that Also collected the block from numerous job sites, loaded it, unloaded it and carried it to the job. I mixed my own mortar, set up the scaffolding and loaded the block on the scaffold. Want to talk about hand pouring a tie beam on top of the wall? (mixing the concrete in a 3 bag mixer) Setting the trusses and doing the roofing? Hand digging footers? This last few weeks I have been dragging limbs the size of your leg along with tree trunks that go up to about 1000 pounds. All of this in SW Florida where it is too hot for you to sit by the pool ... next. That old fart would have hire non-union scabs to do the work. He's too busy spreading his wife's mulch. His life has been spent punching keys on a typewriter. |
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On 10/26/2017 8:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. Really? Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering and placing 12" concrete line block Been there, done that. Also worked with a SeaBee Battalion for almost a year doing construction and electrical wiring, all in metallic conduit BTW. I agree though that those experiences provide great motivation to go to school. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:56:02 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:28:15 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:18:50 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:25:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 11:15 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. === The war on drugs doesn't work, just like prohibition didn't work, and for the same reason - demand was there and suppliers will always step into the breach. Just like alchohol, the solution will be legalization, taxation and control. It will also solve a huge crime problem. It's not a perfect solution but better than what we are doing now because it will put dealers, distributors, drug gangs and smugglers out of business. Users will still get addicted and over dose but that's happening now. I've heard talk recently of a vaccine being developed to combat opioid addiction. Wasn't that what methadone was supposed to do? The guy next door ended up hooked on methadone. It reminds me of people who got the gum to stop smoking and now they have a $250 a month gum habit. I'll have you know my gum habit runs less than $15/month! Wrigleys? Orbit, a product of Wrigley. Used it to wean me off the Nicorettes. |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:25:48 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 6:15 PM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. More specifically, the line the union pays his wife to sell, weather she believes it or not. D'uh. My wife doesn't sell the sort of bull**** that guides your vacuous life, **** for brains. She helps people with psychological-emotional problems, family problems, drug addiction problems, disaster relief problems, et cetera. It's too bad you have no one to contact to help you with your many psychological problems. She should start at home, eh Harry Krause? |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 6:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote: On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774 I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not progressively liberal enough to dig up the atrocity. I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out. We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency ** before we go picking nits over what trump said about the drug ** problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and ** come up with some program that will actually work. Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh? What works now? Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys (they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new, less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals. Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction.* Once addicted, *that* becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job. Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to get hooked to begin with. Hey, he fed you the union line. He sure did.* Talk about lack of empathy.** :-) As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. Most of us have probably done it at one time or another. I've toted a hell of a lot of concrete blocks! |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:34:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/26/2017 8:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. Really? Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering and placing 12" concrete line block Been there, done that. Also worked with a SeaBee Battalion for almost a year doing construction and electrical wiring, all in metallic conduit BTW. I agree though that those experiences provide great motivation to go to school. I wonder where Harry did all this work with 12" blocks. The one's I've toted were all 16". |
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On 10/27/17 7:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 8:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of work many construction workers do every day. Really? Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering and placing 12" concrete line block Been there, done that. Also worked with a SeaBee Battalion for almost a year doing construction and electrical wiring, all in metallic conduit BTW. I agree though that those experiences provide great motivation to go to school. The last time I worked with block, "decorative block" at that, was about 10 years ago, on the 12' x 20' building out on the Shenandoah. It was a backbreaker. |
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