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On 10/13/2017 5:32 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:48:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/12/2017 5:05 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/12/17 4:53 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:42:10 -0400, wrote:

I was curious so I looked it up.Â* A fully dressed 454 with cast iron
heads weighs 685 lbs from the factory.Â* A CumminsÂ* 5.9L diesel by
comparisonÂ* is 1200 lbs or 515 lbs heavier.Â* Twins would mean a weight
difference of over 1,000 lbs.Â* That's quite a bit, even for a 39' boat.

Major difference is:Â* The 454 develops 450-500 lb-ft of torque at 3200
RPM (depending on year)Â* while the diesel CumminsÂ* develops peak torque
of 610 lb-ft at 1600 RPM

The extra torque probably comes from the longer stroke in the diesel.
(4.0" vs 4.75")
They make gasoline engines "square" or even over bore to reduce the
reciprocating forces of a longer stroke for a given displacement
It lets them run at higher RPMs.

===

I believe the extra torque is mostly a result of the higher
compression ratio in a diesel.Â* The higher ratio effectively increases
the duration of the power stroke compared to a gas engine.

I thought it was the result of a combination of factors, including
higher compression ratio, more heat content of the fuel, higher turbo
boost pressure, and greater heat content of the fuel, and continuous
pushing of that fuel into the cylinders.

Probably all you mentioned ... oh and also the greater heat content of
the fuel in case you forgot. :-)

He probably missed that with his cut'n'paste.

yup.

Keyser Soze

On 10/13/17 7:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2017 5:32 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:48:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/12/2017 5:05 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/12/17 4:53 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:42:10 -0400, wrote:

I was curious so I looked it up.Â* A fully dressed 454 with cast iron
heads weighs 685 lbs from the factory.Â* A CumminsÂ* 5.9L diesel by
comparisonÂ* is 1200 lbs or 515 lbs heavier.Â* Twins would mean a
weight
difference of over 1,000 lbs.Â* That's quite a bit, even for a 39'
boat.

Major difference is:Â* The 454 develops 450-500 lb-ft of torque at
3200
RPM (depending on year)Â* while the diesel CumminsÂ* develops peak
torque
of 610 lb-ft at 1600 RPM

The extra torque probably comes from the longer stroke in the diesel.
(4.0" vs 4.75")
They make gasoline engines "square" or even over bore to reduce the
reciprocating forces of a longer stroke for a given displacement
It lets them run at higher RPMs.

===

I believe the extra torque is mostly a result of the higher
compression ratio in a diesel.Â* The higher ratio effectively increases
the duration of the power stroke compared to a gas engine.

I thought it was the result of a combination of factors, including
higher compression ratio, more heat content of the fuel, higher turbo
boost pressure, and greater heat content of the fuel, and continuous
pushing of that fuel into the cylinders.

Probably all you mentioned ... oh and also the greater heat content of
the fuel in case you forgot.Â*Â* :-)

He probably missed that with his cut'n'paste.

yup.

Shouldn't you boys be telling us to give Trump a chance?

Alex[_12_]

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/13/17 7:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2017 5:32 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:48:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/12/2017 5:05 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/12/17 4:53 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:42:10 -0400, wrote:

I was curious so I looked it up. A fully dressed 454 with cast
iron
heads weighs 685 lbs from the factory. A Cummins 5.9L diesel by
comparison is 1200 lbs or 515 lbs heavier. Twins would mean a
weight
difference of over 1,000 lbs. That's quite a bit, even for a
39' boat.

Major difference is: The 454 develops 450-500 lb-ft of torque
at 3200
RPM (depending on year) while the diesel Cummins develops peak
torque
of 610 lb-ft at 1600 RPM

The extra torque probably comes from the longer stroke in the
diesel.
(4.0" vs 4.75")
They make gasoline engines "square" or even over bore to reduce the
reciprocating forces of a longer stroke for a given displacement
It lets them run at higher RPMs.

===

I believe the extra torque is mostly a result of the higher
compression ratio in a diesel. The higher ratio effectively
increases
the duration of the power stroke compared to a gas engine.

I thought it was the result of a combination of factors, including
higher compression ratio, more heat content of the fuel, higher turbo
boost pressure, and greater heat content of the fuel, and continuous
pushing of that fuel into the cylinders.

Probably all you mentioned ... oh and also the greater heat content of
the fuel in case you forgot. :-)

He probably missed that with his cut'n'paste.

yup.

Shouldn't you boys be telling us to give Trump a chance?

Shouldn't you be posting original thoughts? Anyone can search the
internet for whatever fits their agenda.

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