On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:53:30 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:42:10 -0400, wrote:

I was curious so I looked it up. A fully dressed 454 with cast iron
heads weighs 685 lbs from the factory. A Cummins 5.9L diesel by
comparison is 1200 lbs or 515 lbs heavier. Twins would mean a weight
difference of over 1,000 lbs. That's quite a bit, even for a 39' boat.

Major difference is: The 454 develops 450-500 lb-ft of torque at 3200
RPM (depending on year) while the diesel Cummins develops peak torque
of 610 lb-ft at 1600 RPM

The extra torque probably comes from the longer stroke in the diesel.
(4.0" vs 4.75")
They make gasoline engines "square" or even over bore to reduce the
reciprocating forces of a longer stroke for a given displacement
It lets them run at higher RPMs.

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I believe the extra torque is mostly a result of the higher
compression ratio in a diesel. The higher ratio effectively increases
the duration of the power stroke compared to a gas engine.

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:49:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:53:30 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:42:10 -0400, wrote:

I was curious so I looked it up. A fully dressed 454 with cast iron
heads weighs 685 lbs from the factory. A Cummins 5.9L diesel by
comparison is 1200 lbs or 515 lbs heavier. Twins would mean a weight
difference of over 1,000 lbs. That's quite a bit, even for a 39' boat.

Major difference is: The 454 develops 450-500 lb-ft of torque at 3200
RPM (depending on year) while the diesel Cummins develops peak torque
of 610 lb-ft at 1600 RPM

The extra torque probably comes from the longer stroke in the diesel.
(4.0" vs 4.75")
They make gasoline engines "square" or even over bore to reduce the
reciprocating forces of a longer stroke for a given displacement
It lets them run at higher RPMs.

===

I believe the extra torque is mostly a result of the higher
compression ratio in a diesel. The higher ratio effectively increases
the duration of the power stroke compared to a gas engine.

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Looks like Krause cut'n'pasted something to show his exceptional knowledge of diesel engines.

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At least it was boating related. :-)

On 10/12/17 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:49:16 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:53:30 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:42:10 -0400, wrote:

I was curious so I looked it up. A fully dressed 454 with cast iron
heads weighs 685 lbs from the factory. A Cummins 5.9L diesel by
comparison is 1200 lbs or 515 lbs heavier. Twins would mean a weight
difference of over 1,000 lbs. That's quite a bit, even for a 39' boat.

Major difference is: The 454 develops 450-500 lb-ft of torque at 3200
RPM (depending on year) while the diesel Cummins develops peak torque
of 610 lb-ft at 1600 RPM

The extra torque probably comes from the longer stroke in the diesel.
(4.0" vs 4.75")
They make gasoline engines "square" or even over bore to reduce the
reciprocating forces of a longer stroke for a given displacement
It lets them run at higher RPMs.

===

I believe the extra torque is mostly a result of the higher
compression ratio in a diesel. The higher ratio effectively increases
the duration of the power stroke compared to a gas engine.

---
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Looks like Krause cut'n'pasted something to show his exceptional knowledge of diesel engines.

===

At least it was boating related. :-)



As opposed to nothing boating related from WD-40 Herring, aka
Limp-a-Long Johnnymop.

John H wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:53:30 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:42:10 -0400, wrote:

I was curious so I looked it up. A fully dressed 454 with cast iron
heads weighs 685 lbs from the factory. A Cummins 5.9L diesel by
comparison is 1200 lbs or 515 lbs heavier. Twins would mean a weight
difference of over 1,000 lbs. That's quite a bit, even for a 39' boat.

Major difference is: The 454 develops 450-500 lb-ft of torque at 3200
RPM (depending on year) while the diesel Cummins develops peak torque
of 610 lb-ft at 1600 RPM
The extra torque probably comes from the longer stroke in the diesel.
(4.0" vs 4.75")
They make gasoline engines "square" or even over bore to reduce the
reciprocating forces of a longer stroke for a given displacement
It lets them run at higher RPMs.
===

I believe the extra torque is mostly a result of the higher
compression ratio in a diesel. The higher ratio effectively increases
the duration of the power stroke compared to a gas engine.

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Looks like Krause cut'n'pasted something to show his exceptional knowledge of diesel engines.

No doubt.