On 10/11/2017 1:29 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:22:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2017 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 1:48:59 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:11:01 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Where's Karen from Oz when we need her?

http://newatlas.com/yanmar-dtorque-111-turbo-diesel-50hp-outboard/51675/

Lots of low end torque but unfortunately it weighs close to 400
pounds.

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Not made for bass tournament or ski competition, but I'm sure they have a target for the application out there, somewhere.

Yup it must be some kind of work boat when it is twice as heavy as a
Honda BF50 4 stroke

"The Yanmar Dtorque 111 is lighter and more compact than petrol engines of similar capacity..."

I suppose it's all about what your definition of "capacity" is.

Oil pan capacity? ;-)
They may be talking about torque or something.
Over on the real boat board, people were pointing out that a 2 cyl 4
stroke will be a rough idling sommich.



My John Deere tractor had a 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel. You'd think it
would be rough idling but it wasn't at all. Great engine.

Dunno, just repeating what I heard. My only diesel experience is with
the 6-71s on the CG 40 footers and I was not a snipe so I was more of
the "hold this" guy. I know they sounded sweet when we were going tho.
That was at my reserve unit and we had two guys who were mechanics at
International Harvester. They worked on trucks all day long and they
had those suckers running like a sewing machine.



It could be that three cylinders allow it to run smoother than two.
BTW ... those DD 6-71s are two stroke diesels in case you were unaware.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:33:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

those DD 6-71s are two stroke diesels in case you were unaware.

I think I know that ;-)

On 10/11/17 1:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/11/2017 1:29 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:22:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2017 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 1:48:59 AM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:11:01 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Where's Karen from Oz when we need her?

http://newatlas.com/yanmar-dtorque-111-turbo-diesel-50hp-outboard/51675/


Lots of low end torque but unfortunately it weighs close to 400
pounds.

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Not made for bass tournament or ski competition, but I'm sure
they have a target for the application out there, somewhere.

Yup it must be some kind of work boat when it is twice as heavy as a
Honda BF50 4 stroke

"The Yanmar Dtorque 111 is lighter and more compact than petrol
engines of similar capacity..."

I suppose it's all about what your definition of "capacity" is.

Oil pan capacity? ;-)
They may be talking about torque or something.
Over on the real boat board, people were pointing out that a 2 cyl 4
stroke will be a rough idling sommich.



My John Deere tractor had a 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel.Â* You'd think it
would be rough idling but it wasn't at all.Â* Great engine.

Dunno, just repeating what I heard. My only diesel experience is with
the 6-71s on the CG 40 footers and I was not a snipe so I was more of
the "hold this" guy. I know they sounded sweet when we were going tho.
That was at my reserve unit and we had two guys who were mechanics at
International Harvester. They worked on trucks all day long and they
had those suckers running like a sewing machine.



It could be that three cylinders allow it to run smoother than two.
BTW ... those DD 6-71s are two stroke diesels in case you were unaware.



Mercury Marine and several others have high horsepower diesel outboards
under development and maybe in production or close to it. I saw a model
claiming 200 hp a couple of years ago at a boat show...don't remember
the brand name, ?X something or other?

1:54 PMKeyser Soze
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Mercury Marine and several others have high horsepower diesel outboards
under development and maybe in production or close to it. I saw a model
claiming 200 hp a couple of years ago at a boat show...don't remember
the brand name, ?X something or other?
....
Oxe(?)
http://www.mby.com/gear/oxe-200hp-di...e-tested-51194

Tim wrote:
1:54 PMKeyser Soze
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Mercury Marine and several others have high horsepower diesel outboards
under development and maybe in production or close to it. I saw a model
claiming 200 hp a couple of years ago at a boat show...don't remember
the brand name, ?X something or other?
...
Oxe(?)
http://www.mby.com/gear/oxe-200hp-di...e-tested-51194


With all the nice 1.7L diesels in non American cars, should be easy to
design a nice diesel outboard. I think the large Honda is an automotive
engine, dry slumped and on end.

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 3:45:04 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Tim wrote:
1:54 PMKeyser Soze
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Mercury Marine and several others have high horsepower diesel outboards
under development and maybe in production or close to it. I saw a model
claiming 200 hp a couple of years ago at a boat show...don't remember
the brand name, ?X something or other?
...
Oxe(?)
http://www.mby.com/gear/oxe-200hp-di...e-tested-51194


With all the nice 1.7L diesels in non American cars, should be easy to
design a nice diesel outboard. I think the large Honda is an automotive
engine, dry slumped and on end.

I just read about the Oxe. It uses a 2.0 GM diesel. According to the article is also costs twice what a 200hp Yamaha 4 stroke goes for. Ouch!

2:51 PMIts Me
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I just read about the Oxe. It uses a 2.0 GM diesel. According to the article is also costs twice what a 200hp Yamaha 4 stroke goes for. Ouch!
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Diesels 'usually' last Ingersoll than a gas job and are much more economical on fuel. But what you save in fuel costs probably don't over ride the massive up front expense of the whole unit. Bad trade off IMO.

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 4:10:59 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
2:51 PMIts Me
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I just read about the Oxe. It uses a 2.0 GM diesel. According to the article is also costs twice what a 200hp Yamaha 4 stroke goes for. Ouch!
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Diesels 'usually' last Ingersoll than a gas job and are much more economical on fuel. But what you save in fuel costs probably don't over ride the massive up front expense of the whole unit. Bad trade off IMO.

They said the main market was military and commercial, with some tenders for yachts where price was no issue but fuel compatibility was. It wouldn't make sense for pleasure boating.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:10:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


2:51 PMIts Me
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I just read about the Oxe. It uses a 2.0 GM diesel. According to the article is also costs twice what a 200hp Yamaha 4 stroke goes for. Ouch!
.....
Diesels 'usually' last longer than a gas job and are much more economical on fuel. But what you save in fuel costs probably don't over ride the massive up front expense of the whole unit. Bad trade off IMO.


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Increased range because of greater fuel economy is the most common
reason for justifying the higher cost. Diesels use almost 50% less
fuel for the same power output, and have higher low end torque.

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On 10/11/2017 4:10 PM, Tim wrote:

2:51 PMIts Me
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I just read about the Oxe. It uses a 2.0 GM diesel. According to the article is also costs twice what a 200hp Yamaha 4 stroke goes for. Ouch!
.....
Diesels 'usually' last Ingersoll than a gas job and are much more economical on fuel. But what you save in fuel costs probably don't over ride the massive up front expense of the whole unit. Bad trade off IMO.



GM's 2.0L diesel is made by Fiat.