Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/6/17 8:11 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
Hate to interrupt all the 'Americans Acting badly With Guns' posts,
but I had a small bit of misfortune yesterday.
I was up boating with my Springer Spaniel on Grand Lake and got a
bit nosy checking out Sidney Crosby's house and his waterfront
access. I was motoring slowly along when I saw the depth gauge
suddenly go from 5-6 feet to just less than 3 feet. Heard the bang
right away so I quickly tilted up the motor and shifted it to
neutral. With the swim platform covering the I/O Alpha Drive it was
hard to see if I had any damage and as I floated back into deeper
water I moved into forward and didn't notice anything unusual so I
continued my 2 hour tour of the lake. Only after retrieving the boat
did I see a chunk missing out of one of my aluminum propeller blades.
D'oh...don't know if that can be repaired or if I have to buy a new
one.

I remembered that during the summer, there was a string of brightly
coloured floating balls stretched along where I went about 40-50
feet offshore. Now I know why they were there. I should send a
letter to Crosby complaining that he should have left the 'barrier'
out at least until Thanksgiving this Monday.


Ever heard of a chart? I/O's are lake boats.

I'm not an I/O fan, but your claim about "lake boats" is just another
example of your ignorance.

Is lake and river better? I/O's have little to no place in the ocean
for a variety of reasons.

On 10/7/17 9:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/6/17 8:11 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
Hate to interrupt all the 'Americans Acting badly With Guns' posts,
but I had a small bit of misfortune yesterday.
I was up boating with my Springer Spaniel on Grand Lake and got a
bit nosy checking out Sidney Crosby's house and his waterfront
access.Â* I was motoring slowly along when I saw the depth gauge
suddenly go from 5-6 feet to just less than 3 feet. Heard the bang
right away so I quickly tilted up the motor and shifted it to
neutral.Â* With the swim platform covering the I/O Alpha Drive it was
hard to see if I had any damage and as I floated back into deeper
water I moved into forward and didn't notice anything unusual so I
continued my 2 hour tour of the lake. Only after retrieving the boat
did I see a chunk missing out of one of my aluminum propeller blades.
D'oh...don't know if that can be repaired or if I have to buy a new
one.

I remembered that during the summer, there was a string of brightly
coloured floating balls stretched along where I went about 40-50
feet offshore.Â* Now I know why they were there.Â* I should send a
letter to Crosby complaining that he should have left the 'barrier'
out at least until Thanksgiving this Monday.


Ever heard of a chart?Â* I/O's are lake boats.

I'm not an I/O fan, but your claim about "lake boats" is just another
example of your ignorance.

Is lake and river better?Â* I/O's have little to no place in the ocean
for a variety of reasons.


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/7/17 9:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/6/17 8:11 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
Hate to interrupt all the 'Americans Acting badly With Guns'
posts, but I had a small bit of misfortune yesterday.
I was up boating with my Springer Spaniel on Grand Lake and got a
bit nosy checking out Sidney Crosby's house and his waterfront
access. I was motoring slowly along when I saw the depth gauge
suddenly go from 5-6 feet to just less than 3 feet. Heard the bang
right away so I quickly tilted up the motor and shifted it to
neutral. With the swim platform covering the I/O Alpha Drive it
was hard to see if I had any damage and as I floated back into
deeper water I moved into forward and didn't notice anything
unusual so I continued my 2 hour tour of the lake. Only after
retrieving the boat did I see a chunk missing out of one of my
aluminum propeller blades.
D'oh...don't know if that can be repaired or if I have to buy a
new one.

I remembered that during the summer, there was a string of
brightly coloured floating balls stretched along where I went
about 40-50 feet offshore. Now I know why they were there. I
should send a letter to Crosby complaining that he should have
left the 'barrier' out at least until Thanksgiving this Monday.


Ever heard of a chart? I/O's are lake boats.

I'm not an I/O fan, but your claim about "lake boats" is just
another example of your ignorance.

Is lake and river better? I/O's have little to no place in the ocean
for a variety of reasons.


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a
fan of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

Less than half of my guns are Rugers but keep "researching" that. Sure,
I've seen a lot of I/O' in the sal****er too. Not thousands. Does
Bayliner even offer an internal cooling system?

Alex Wrote in message:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/7/17 9:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/6/17 8:11 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
Hate to interrupt all the 'Americans Acting badly With Guns'
posts, but I had a small bit of misfortune yesterday.
I was up boating with my Springer Spaniel on Grand Lake and got a
bit nosy checking out Sidney Crosby's house and his waterfront
access. I was motoring slowly along when I saw the depth gauge
suddenly go from 5-6 feet to just less than 3 feet. Heard the bang
right away so I quickly tilted up the motor and shifted it to
neutral. With the swim platform covering the I/O Alpha Drive it
was hard to see if I had any damage and as I floated back into
deeper water I moved into forward and didn't notice anything
unusual so I continued my 2 hour tour of the lake. Only after
retrieving the boat did I see a chunk missing out of one of my
aluminum propeller blades.
D'oh...don't know if that can be repaired or if I have to buy a
new one.

I remembered that during the summer, there was a string of
brightly coloured floating balls stretched along where I went
about 40-50 feet offshore. Now I know why they were there. I
should send a letter to Crosby complaining that he should have
left the 'barrier' out at least until Thanksgiving this Monday.


Ever heard of a chart? I/O's are lake boats.

I'm not an I/O fan, but your claim about "lake boats" is just
another example of your ignorance.

Is lake and river better? I/O's have little to no place in the ocean
for a variety of reasons.


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a
fan of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

Less than half of my guns are Rugers but keep "researching" that. Sure,
I've seen a lot of I/O' in the sal****er too. Not thousands. Does
Bayliner even offer an internal cooling system?


Stri tly speaking, no.
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On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:50:06 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:38:57 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:50:06 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

My current boat is an I/O, but it'll never see salt water.

I 'spect Don White has the bucks and can just drop that Bayliner off at the dealer for the
necessary servicing.

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:50:03 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:38:57 -0400, wrote:

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

My current boat is an I/O, but it'll never see salt water.


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

On Sunday, 8 October 2017 13:50:04 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:38:57 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:50:06 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

My current boat is an I/O, but it'll never see salt water.

I 'spect Don White has the bucks and can just drop that Bayliner off at the dealer for the
necessary servicing.

Wrong again...they come to me. Expect to get notice soon when the traveling winterization guy will arrive to do his work in my driveway. Once the new motor warranty is gone, I'll be doing it...same place, same time (after our Thanksgiving)