On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:38:40 -0400, wrote:

What's the range of those helicopters? They will need fuel, too.

Helicopters are fuel hogs but there should be fuel at the ports where
the goods are being picked up.

===

The problem is that the ports are not really geared up for refueling
aircraft. You've got to get their fuel to someplace that is properly
equipped. The military may have the ability to create something
suitable but that will take time also. I think the first priority is
to get the roads cleared so that supplies and workers can get to where
they are needed.

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On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:43:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:38:40 -0400, wrote:

What's the range of those helicopters? They will need fuel, too.

Helicopters are fuel hogs but there should be fuel at the ports where
the goods are being picked up.

===

The problem is that the ports are not really geared up for refueling
aircraft. You've got to get their fuel to someplace that is properly
equipped. The military may have the ability to create something
suitable but that will take time also. I think the first priority is
to get the roads cleared so that supplies and workers can get to where
they are needed.

The military has the ability to fuel their helicopters from just about
anywhere they can get a truck to a landing zone. It may not meet FAA,
NFPA or OSHA standards but the military doesn't have to.
I agree flying supplies is the last resort and getting the
infrastructure back is the preferred way. From what I hear the biggest
problem was getting the truck drivers back to work.
I really think the private sector may be better positioned to do some
of this than the military.
I know Publix and Walmart were open for business here 2 weeks before
Trump and Pence showed up giving out hot dogs and bananas.
The Publix a mile or two from me was open on Tuesday after the storm.
(running on a generator) They had pretty much everything you would
need except some perishables.
Walmart was open too, the next day.
I still heard people whining and wanting free handouts from the
government. There were people who lined up for hours to get a free
case of water and a few MREs when they had to drive by Publix to get
there. I can understand wanting the necessities for life but nobody
said they should be "free". (paid for by the tax payers)
Maybe we should just let the private sector handle these things.

On Friday, 29 September 2017 21:46:56 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 5:57:55 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/29/2017 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:15:04 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:03:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/28/2017 7:59 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
Saw a news report this morning that showed 9,500 containers with
relief supplies for Puerto Rico residents held up in San Juan docks
due to lack of diesel fuel for trucks to haul them to their destinations.

Another 1,500 container ships loaded with supplies are anchored off
the coast, unable to unload due to no room on the docks.

This morning President Trump authorized that the Jones Act be waived
for Puerto Rico, effective immediately.

The Jones act requires that all goods shipped between US ports be
carried by American-owned and -operated ships.

Good we have a POTUS who is staying on top of things.
I just looked and there are a few dozen ships off the coast. I didn't
check each one to see if they are at anchor but I'm thinking you meant
to say 1500 containers on ships at anchor.


Probably. I was repeating what one of the talking heads said on TV this
morning.

NBC showed a yard full of containers sitting on the hard but with no
way to get the supplies out of the port.
Maybe Trump should send in heavy lift helicopters to spread them out
across the countryside. They could load the stuff on transport
pallets, based on need and set them down right in the neighborhoods in
trouble.
I suppose fixing the roads and getting diesel in there for the trucks
is the long term answer but people are in trouble now.

Just move the container with a heavy lift helo. Then the stuff would be
weather and theft protected better. Save the palletizing for movement.
I suspect the problem is that the containers tend to be full of the
same things and these people need a variety of stuff. I am not sure a
helicopter can pick up a 40,000 pound container either.


I think one or two Russian heavy lifts can come close but nothing the US
has will do it. Largest we have is the CH-53E Super Stallion, capable
of about 14 tons.
A Sikorski skycrane could

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/58...6bb96c4c7d.jpg

Those cables look thin but they are probable a foot in diameter...

~~Snerk~~
Yeah... one foot in diameter cabled would be real easy to roll up when not in use.

Maybe a real army man could tell us the approx diameter of a tank cannon barrel and we could guess the thickness of the cable from there. I'd say 2" or 3" at most.

On 9/30/17 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:43:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:38:40 -0400, wrote:

What's the range of those helicopters? They will need fuel, too.

Helicopters are fuel hogs but there should be fuel at the ports where
the goods are being picked up.

===

The problem is that the ports are not really geared up for refueling
aircraft. You've got to get their fuel to someplace that is properly
equipped. The military may have the ability to create something
suitable but that will take time also. I think the first priority is
to get the roads cleared so that supplies and workers can get to where
they are needed.

The military has the ability to fuel their helicopters from just about
anywhere they can get a truck to a landing zone. It may not meet FAA,
NFPA or OSHA standards but the military doesn't have to.
I agree flying supplies is the last resort and getting the
infrastructure back is the preferred way. From what I hear the biggest
problem was getting the truck drivers back to work.
I really think the private sector may be better positioned to do some
of this than the military.
I know Publix and Walmart were open for business here 2 weeks before
Trump and Pence showed up giving out hot dogs and bananas.
The Publix a mile or two from me was open on Tuesday after the storm.
(running on a generator) They had pretty much everything you would
need except some perishables.
Walmart was open too, the next day.
I still heard people whining and wanting free handouts from the
government. There were people who lined up for hours to get a free
case of water and a few MREs when they had to drive by Publix to get
there. I can understand wanting the necessities for life but nobody
said they should be "free". (paid for by the tax payers)
Maybe we should just let the private sector handle these things.



Yeah, I'm sure the supermarkets in PR are up to the job of doing what
the government should be doing.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/30/17 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:43:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:38:40 -0400, wrote:

What's the range of those helicopters? They will need fuel, too.

Helicopters are fuel hogs but there should be fuel at the ports where
the goods are being picked up.

===

The problem is that the ports are not really geared up for refueling
aircraft. You've got to get their fuel to someplace that is properly
equipped. The military may have the ability to create something
suitable but that will take time also. I think the first priority is
to get the roads cleared so that supplies and workers can get to where
they are needed.

The military has the ability to fuel their helicopters from just about
anywhere they can get a truck to a landing zone. It may not meet FAA,
NFPA or OSHA standards but the military doesn't have to.
I agree flying supplies is the last resort and getting the
infrastructure back is the preferred way. From what I hear the biggest
problem was getting the truck drivers back to work.
I really think the private sector may be better positioned to do some
of this than the military.
I know Publix and Walmart were open for business here 2 weeks before
Trump and Pence showed up giving out hot dogs and bananas.
The Publix a mile or two from me was open on Tuesday after the storm.
(running on a generator) They had pretty much everything you would
need except some perishables.
Walmart was open too, the next day.
I still heard people whining and wanting free handouts from the
government. There were people who lined up for hours to get a free
case of water and a few MREs when they had to drive by Publix to get
there. I can understand wanting the necessities for life but nobody
said they should be "free". (paid for by the tax payers)
Maybe we should just let the private sector handle these things.



Yeah, I'm sure the supermarkets in PR are up to the job of doing what
the government should be doing.


You are dancing around the real problem. Puerto Rico can't take
care of itself on a bright sunny day. But, of course, you want
gubment to control everything.
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 11:41:46 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/30/17 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:43:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:38:40 -0400, wrote:

What's the range of those helicopters? They will need fuel, too.

Helicopters are fuel hogs but there should be fuel at the ports where
the goods are being picked up.

===

The problem is that the ports are not really geared up for refueling
aircraft. You've got to get their fuel to someplace that is properly
equipped. The military may have the ability to create something
suitable but that will take time also. I think the first priority is
to get the roads cleared so that supplies and workers can get to where
they are needed.

The military has the ability to fuel their helicopters from just about
anywhere they can get a truck to a landing zone. It may not meet FAA,
NFPA or OSHA standards but the military doesn't have to.
I agree flying supplies is the last resort and getting the
infrastructure back is the preferred way. From what I hear the biggest
problem was getting the truck drivers back to work.
I really think the private sector may be better positioned to do some
of this than the military.
I know Publix and Walmart were open for business here 2 weeks before
Trump and Pence showed up giving out hot dogs and bananas.
The Publix a mile or two from me was open on Tuesday after the storm.
(running on a generator) They had pretty much everything you would
need except some perishables.
Walmart was open too, the next day.
I still heard people whining and wanting free handouts from the
government. There were people who lined up for hours to get a free
case of water and a few MREs when they had to drive by Publix to get
there. I can understand wanting the necessities for life but nobody
said they should be "free". (paid for by the tax payers)
Maybe we should just let the private sector handle these things.



Yeah, I'm sure the supermarkets in PR are up to the job of doing what
the government should be doing.

They are probably more capable of doing food distribution than the
government since that is what they do every day.
Why do you suddenly think those "low lifes" you whine about who join
the army know anything about disaster relief. You don't think they
know anything.

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:25:45 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/30/17 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 09:43:11 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:38:40 -0400, wrote:

What's the range of those helicopters? They will need fuel, too.

Helicopters are fuel hogs but there should be fuel at the ports where
the goods are being picked up.

===

The problem is that the ports are not really geared up for refueling
aircraft. You've got to get their fuel to someplace that is properly
equipped. The military may have the ability to create something
suitable but that will take time also. I think the first priority is
to get the roads cleared so that supplies and workers can get to where
they are needed.

The military has the ability to fuel their helicopters from just about
anywhere they can get a truck to a landing zone. It may not meet FAA,
NFPA or OSHA standards but the military doesn't have to.
I agree flying supplies is the last resort and getting the
infrastructure back is the preferred way. From what I hear the biggest
problem was getting the truck drivers back to work.
I really think the private sector may be better positioned to do some
of this than the military.
I know Publix and Walmart were open for business here 2 weeks before
Trump and Pence showed up giving out hot dogs and bananas.
The Publix a mile or two from me was open on Tuesday after the storm.
(running on a generator) They had pretty much everything you would
need except some perishables.
Walmart was open too, the next day.
I still heard people whining and wanting free handouts from the
government. There were people who lined up for hours to get a free
case of water and a few MREs when they had to drive by Publix to get
there. I can understand wanting the necessities for life but nobody
said they should be "free". (paid for by the tax payers)
Maybe we should just let the private sector handle these things.



Yeah, I'm sure the supermarkets in PR are up to the job of doing what
the government should be doing.


You are dancing around the real problem. Puerto Rico can't take
care of itself on a bright sunny day. But, of course, you want
gubment to control everything.

He really just wants another thing to complain about Trump over.
It is like blaming George Bush for the incompetence of Ray Nagin,
Kathleen Blanco and the Corps of engineers since the FDR
administration.