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Bill[_12_] September 19th 17 03:58 AM

new boats
 


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.

Bill[_12_] September 19th 17 04:05 AM

new boats
 
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA



True North[_2_] September 19th 17 02:35 PM

new boats
 
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA




Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.

True North[_2_] September 19th 17 02:36 PM

new boats
 
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA


BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.

justan September 19th 17 03:20 PM

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True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA




Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.


You are thinking of getting another bay-liner?
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justan September 19th 17 03:23 PM

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True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA


BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.


There was a time Canadian $ were worth more than American $. What
happened
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John H[_2_] September 19th 17 03:30 PM

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On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA


BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.


https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm

You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax up there.

True North[_2_] September 19th 17 03:35 PM

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On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:23:21 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA


BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.


There was a time Canadian $ were worth more than American $. What
happened
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I think it's a ploy to make our goods and services appear cheaper to y'all....to improve our trade balance with the US.

justan September 19th 17 03:41 PM

new boats
 
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:23:21 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA

BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.


There was a time Canadian $ were worth more than American $. What
happened
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I think it's a ploy to make our goods and services appear cheaper to y'all....to improve our trade balance with the US.


To bad the goods and services you want come from the U.S. Oh well.
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justan September 19th 17 03:47 PM

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John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA


BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.


https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm

You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax up there.


He would probably want a bonehead delivery fee.

Are you going to buy that rifle from him that he is practically
giving away? Is it the one he assembled himself with parts and
pieces from different vendors?
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[email protected] September 19th 17 04:15 PM

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On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.


===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

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Bill[_12_] September 19th 17 04:41 PM

new boats
 
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA




Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more
than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I
could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of
beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they
would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us
know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high
comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.


These are the most stable Hobie kayak they make. 39" wide. They fish the
ocean here in the I11s. It may be out of your price range for floating the
local beaches.


True North[_2_] September 19th 17 05:18 PM

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On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.


===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

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Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.

justan September 19th 17 05:24 PM

new boats
 
Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.


===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

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Ahhh, you've fallen into Canadian waters, or maybe Maine waters.
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justan September 19th 17 05:29 PM

new boats
 
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.


===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

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Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.


I have something very close to what you describe. It's for sale
but unfortunately it's in Florida.
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[email protected] September 19th 17 05:32 PM

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On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:24:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.


===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

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Ahhh, you've fallen into Canadian waters, or maybe Maine waters.


===

Actually northern Lake Ontario in the early spring, about 25 miles
south of Canada.

Keyser Soze September 19th 17 05:48 PM

new boats
 
On 9/19/17 12:29 PM, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.

===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

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Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.


I have something very close to what you describe. It's for sale
but unfortunately it's in Florida.


Well, hell, put it in the water and drive it up to Canada. It's not as
if you have any important to do.

Keyser Soze September 19th 17 05:51 PM

new boats
 
On 9/19/17 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:24:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.

===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

---
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Ahhh, you've fallen into Canadian waters, or maybe Maine waters.


===

Actually northern Lake Ontario in the early spring, about 25 miles
south of Canada.


When I was a kid, I accompanied my dad to a camp on a lake in New
Hampshire. He had sold them a truckload of rowboats. We got there and I
saw a bunch of kids swimming in the lake. I jumped in...cold doesn't
begin to describe it. On the other hand, I used to go swimming at Revere
Beach when I was a kid, and that water didn't feel that cold. I'm sure
it was, though.

justan September 19th 17 05:53 PM

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/19/17 12:29 PM, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.

===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

---
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Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.


I have something very close to what you describe. It's for sale
but unfortunately it's in Florida.


Well, hell, put it in the water and drive it up to Canada. It's not as
if you have any important to do.


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True North[_2_] September 19th 17 06:02 PM

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On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:29:43 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.

===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

---
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Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.


I have something very close to what you describe. It's for sale
but unfortunately it's in Florida.
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An inflatable from Florida...??
I understand sun is it's greatest enemy...even if Hypalon. A year down there is probably equal to three or four up here.

True North[_2_] September 19th 17 06:03 PM

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On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:48:45 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/19/17 12:29 PM, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.

===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

---
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Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work..


I have something very close to what you describe. It's for sale
but unfortunately it's in Florida.


Well, hell, put it in the water and drive it up to Canada. It's not as
if you have any important to do.




If he waited for Maria to arrive, he'd probably get pushed all the way up..no need for a motor or fuel.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 06:04 PM

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On 9/19/2017 9:36 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA


BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.



I had a Hobie rigid hull (plastic) version of this. It had the pedals
and "flippers". It was amazing how fast you can get them going if you
can pedal hard, fast and long enough. I used to race the launch service
boats in the harbor with mine and could often keep up with them.



Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 06:06 PM

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On 9/19/2017 10:30 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA


BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.


https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm

You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax up there.



He'd have to "declare" at the border with customs. That's when they get
you.



justan September 19th 17 06:09 PM

new boats
 
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:29:43 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.

===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

---
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http://www.avg.com


Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.


I have something very close to what you describe. It's for sale
but unfortunately it's in Florida.
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An inflatable from Florida...??
I understand sun is it's greatest enemy...even if Hypalon. A year down there is probably equal to three or four up here.


Really. When I'm not using it I put it away. I don't leave my
stuff lying around in the yard like some lazy folk I
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Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 06:12 PM

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On 9/19/2017 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.


===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.



Nope. One of my musician friends from when I had the guitar shop was an
avid kayaker. He'd often venture out in the ocean briefly off of
Scituate, MA but mostly stayed in the North River which during tide
changes can develop a very strong current.

One weekend he was missing in action. They found him (dead) near his
upturned kayak. His bag of weed was still dry though.




John H[_2_] September 19th 17 07:44 PM

new boats
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:47:41 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA

BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.


https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm

You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax up there.


He would probably want a bonehead delivery fee.

Are you going to buy that rifle from him that he is practically
giving away? Is it the one he assembled himself with parts and
pieces from different vendors?


Nope. I've got one. Don't need his.

John H[_2_] September 19th 17 07:45 PM

new boats
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/19/2017 10:30 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA

BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.


https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm

You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax up there.



He'd have to "declare" at the border with customs. That's when they get
you.


Couldn't Harry say he was just going to go fishing with Don up in NS? Or do you think Harry would
have to pay something.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 09:39 PM

new boats
 
On 9/19/2017 2:45 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/19/2017 10:30 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA

BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.

https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm

You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax up there.



He'd have to "declare" at the border with customs. That's when they get
you.


Couldn't Harry say he was just going to go fishing with Don up in NS? Or do you think Harry would
have to pay something.



He could try lying. Canadian Customs are pretty sharp though.



Keyser Soze September 19th 17 09:50 PM

new boats
 
On 9/19/17 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/19/2017 2:45 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/19/2017 10:30 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, BillÂ* wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the
camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks.
Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it.Â* One cool thing is the new
Mirage
drives have a reverse.Â* Old Outback is about 75# and the
inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled.Â* Can check the kayak in
it's bag in
an airplane.Â* Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50#
limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA

BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50%
more expensive here.

https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm


You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax
up there.



He'd have to "declare" at the border with customs.Â* That's when they get
you.


Couldn't Harry say he was just going to go fishing with Don up in NS?
Or do you think Harry would
have to pay something.



He could try lying.Â* Canadian Customs are pretty sharp though.




What is this, the idiot hour? You and Herring should get a room. OF
course, the motel manager would have to fumigate it afterwards, what
with the Herring the Racist stench. I'll leave it to your Trumpsters to
lie to the police, American or Canadian.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 10:01 PM

new boats
 
On 9/19/2017 4:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/19/17 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/19/2017 2:45 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/19/2017 10:30 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, BillÂ* wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the
camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks.
Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it.Â* One cool thing is the
new Mirage
drives have a reverse.Â* Old Outback is about 75# and the
inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled.Â* Can check the kayak in
it's bag in
an airplane.Â* Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50#
limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA

BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50%
more expensive here.

https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm


You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax
up there.



He'd have to "declare" at the border with customs.Â* That's when they
get
you.


Couldn't Harry say he was just going to go fishing with Don up in NS?
Or do you think Harry would
have to pay something.



He could try lying.Â* Canadian Customs are pretty sharp though.




What is this, the idiot hour? You and Herring should get a room. OF
course, the motel manager would have to fumigate it afterwards, what
with the Herring the Racist stench. I'll leave it to your Trumpsters to
lie to the police, American or Canadian.



Wasn't talking to you. Mind your own business.



Alex[_12_] September 20th 17 01:20 AM

new boats
 
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:23:21 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:

Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks. Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50# limit saving
overcharges.

A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA
BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50% more expensive here.

There was a time Canadian $ were worth more than American $. What
happened
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I think it's a ploy to make our goods and services appear cheaper to y'all....to improve our trade balance with the US.


Where did you get your economics degree?


Alex[_12_] September 20th 17 01:22 AM

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True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.

===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

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Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.


Ever price a decent RIB? What happened to the Bayliner?

Alex[_12_] September 20th 17 01:25 AM

new boats
 
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/19/2017 2:45 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/19/2017 10:30 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:05:31 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:


Decided my Hobie Outback was not going o ever be loaded on the
camper rack,
so today went out and bought two Hobie I11S inflatables kayaks.
Test drove
the demo and wife and I both liked it. One cool thing is the
new Mirage
drives have a reverse. Old Outback is about 75# and the
inflatable is 35
for the kayak and 65 fully assembled. Can check the kayak in
it's bag in
an airplane. Without the pedals, and seat, is under the 50#
limit saving
overcharges.


A video of the I11s
https://youtu.be/8hjgTrKdgPA

BTW..how much do they cost down there...I expect they'll be 50%
more expensive here.

https://www.ques****ersports.com/201...le--c-1010.htm


You could probably get Harry to drive it up to you and save the tax
up there.



He'd have to "declare" at the border with customs. That's when they
get
you.


Couldn't Harry say he was just going to go fishing with Don up in NS?
Or do you think Harry would
have to pay something.



He could try lying. Canadian Customs are pretty sharp though.



Harry's a lousy liar.

[email protected] September 20th 17 01:58 AM

new boats
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:15:31 -0400,
wrote:

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.


The guides on white water raft trips use kayaks so that may not be
exactly true. They have the boots over the cockpit that tie around
their waist so the boat will not fill up and they will roll one for
the tourists for kicks.

[email protected] September 20th 17 02:05 AM

new boats
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:18:20 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.


I lived with a 12' jon boat and a 7.5 merc here for the first few
months while I was finding my way around and it would fit inside my
van. I could move that around pretty easily by myself. I even got a
couple miles offshore to the reef in the keys with it and all around
the gulf side (accompanied by other boats). They also used it for a
platform for a hookah towed behind a bigger boat.
I still use it for maintenance on my pontoon when I am on the lift.

[email protected] September 20th 17 02:06 AM

new boats
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:29:46 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

I have something very close to what you describe. It's for sale
but unfortunately it's in Florida.


If he can wait until spring there should be plenty of Canadians who
could take it up there.

[email protected] September 20th 17 02:16 AM

new boats
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:04:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a Hobie rigid hull (plastic) version of this. It had the pedals
and "flippers". It was amazing how fast you can get them going if you
can pedal hard, fast and long enough. I used to race the launch service
boats in the harbor with mine and could often keep up with them.


Those things can keep up with "hull speed" on my pontoon and when I do
slow down to give them a break they act like I want to race. After a
minute of trying to get by them without rocking them, "Surf's up" and
I nail it.

True North[_2_] September 20th 17 03:05 AM

new boats
 
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:22:14 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 12:15:36 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Interesting!
Seems to me that blow up boats would be pushed around by the wind more than heavier solid boats. I've been thinking of getting something that I could take to local beaches to float along within a few hundred feet of beaches and maybe occasionally on a medium sized lake. Of course they would be great on a smooth as glass mill pond like in the video. Let us know how those things work in the ocean. Gotta admit, I like the high comfortable seating although it can't be as stable as a low sitting position.
===

Hobie might disagree but in my opinion no canoe or kayak is safe in
rough water, especially cold water. It doesn't take long to lose
breathing abilty in those circumstances. Don't ask me how I know.

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Maybe a more sensible option would be a 8' Zodiac type yacht tender with a 3 hp motor. I want something I can easily manhandle up onto my utility trailer and then remove onto a stand when the trailer does it's real work.


Ever price a decent RIB? What happened to the Bayliner?


The Bayliner...??
It's just fine but requires proper launch ramps etc. A bit of trouble to just frolic at the beach with.

True North[_2_] September 20th 17 03:36 AM

new boats
 
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:16:41 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:04:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I had a Hobie rigid hull (plastic) version of this. It had the pedals
and "flippers". It was amazing how fast you can get them going if you
can pedal hard, fast and long enough. I used to race the launch service
boats in the harbor with mine and could often keep up with them.


Those things can keep up with "hull speed" on my pontoon and when I do
slow down to give them a break they act like I want to race. After a
minute of trying to get by them without rocking them, "Surf's up" and
I nail it.


I find the reverse chine hull on my Bayliner kicks up a bigger wake when I try to go by slowly at 8 to 10 mph. Even my Legend did the same....

[email protected] September 20th 17 03:51 AM

new boats
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:39:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


He could try lying. Canadian Customs are pretty sharp though.


I am not sure why customs would care. If you were visiting you could
bring a boat and if Don tried to register it up there they would get
the taxes then. (same as here)


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