There are still Fireballs sailing (Worlds are due to start on Friday in
Adelaide) so if you still own one why not sail it? We still drink beer and
go like hell!

--
Mike McEvoy
Fireball CAN 13890
Catalina 30 #860

See the Fireball home page at http://www.lo0.com/fireball/
or Visit the message board
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"Prev1" wrote in message
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"Steven J. Ross" sross45atcomcast.net wrote in message
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Hello, If you check the Portsmith handicap numbers. The A-Scow smokes
all
other centerboard monohulls including the M-20. I've seen a picture of
one
pulling a water skier.

Best Wishes, Steve Ross

http://www.ussailing.org/portsmouth/...tables03cb.htm

"Harken Ronstan" wrote in message
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What is the fastest mono-hull (non-sailboard)on a windward leeward or
triangle course these days?

I estimate: 505, Intl 14 GP, 49er, 18ft skiff are contenders.
Since they all plane up wind, waterline is less of an issue so I would
guess larger craft like an E scow, and A scow are in this class.


Funny that the M-20 looks like a Fireball, which I still own. I
sailed it for 10 years including with world record holders in the
Fireball class. It was fast and fun, but certainly not compared to
windsurfing! It was intersting to see that it's rating was in low
80's, which is respectable. This was the dingly class of are yacht
clubs a while back. The problem was they turned out to be too much
boat for the Jr's and the they turtled and got stuck in the mud. I
did manage to drink excessive amounts of beer, sail solo with all
three sails up and go like hell. Thanks for the memories.


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I spent may years racing in the midwest (Minnetonka YC) I never
considered the M20 to be a fast boat. It seems to have everything for
high performance but when the wind starts cranking they are the first
to dump or nose dive. Around 1986 or so Melges was testing a super
scow based on the M20, I saw one a Geneva YC, it had an asym spin,
bigger rudders, bow spirt and maybe some other stuff behind the
scenes. At least I though it was a M20, I notice there is a M16 based
version http://www.boatshow.com/MelgesSuperScow16.html so maybe I was
wrong.
No doubt about it, the Ascow is a beast, it is nice to see they have
been more progressive with design changes in the past 10 or so years,
too bad they haven't gone back to trapezes. In the 70's? some carried
four on the wire, I would guess with the sideboards this is a bit
dangerous.
As for windsurfers, the reason I didn't include them is that even old
gear such as a Lechner, which is full displacement hull, will smoke
most anything on most points of sail, especially upwind.

Dear Sloped A-hole.

This is "rec.boats.racing" NOT "alt.sailing"
Current fastest production mono-hull is Outer Limits 39' with
1400 hp twins and Merc #6 dry-sump drives. 147+ mph

Still has Reggie PO'd


"Harken Ronstan" wrote in message
om...
What is the fastest mono-hull (non-sailboard)on a windward leeward or
triangle course these days?

I estimate: 505, Intl 14 GP, 49er, 18ft skiff are contenders.
Since they all plane up wind, waterline is less of an issue so I would
guess larger craft like an E scow, and A scow are in this class.

Gutass,
You really are behind the curve.
You responded in:
alt.sailing
alt.sailing.asa
rec.windsurfing
And rec.boatsracing (for people that actually compete)
as opposed to rec.boatsracing.power

And - If you are going to include silly motor toys
then the fastest monohull is the Russian KM Ekranoplan at
500+Kph (~270K)


Gustaf wrote:

Dear Sloped A-hole.

This is "rec.boats.racing" NOT "alt.sailing"
Current fastest production mono-hull is Outer Limits 39' with
1400 hp twins and Merc #6 dry-sump drives. 147+ mph

Still has Reggie PO'd


"Harken Ronstan" wrote in message
om...

What is the fastest mono-hull (non-sailboard)on a windward leeward or
triangle course these days?

I estimate: 505, Intl 14 GP, 49er, 18ft skiff are contenders.
Since they all plane up wind, waterline is less of an issue so I would
guess larger craft like an E scow, and A scow are in this class.

"getlost" wrote in message
...

And - If you are going to include silly motor toys
then the fastest monohull is the Russian KM Ekranoplan at
500+Kph (~270K)

Dear Dumb-Ass,

The question was for "production" mono hulls, not experimental

Gustaf wrote:


Dear Dumb-Ass,

The question was for "production" mono hulls, not experimental

You must have sniffed too much gasoline.
Try your trolling in rec.brain.damaged

DSK

Harken Ronstan wrote:

What is the fastest mono-hull (non-sailboard)on a windward leeward or
triangle course these days?

I estimate: 505, Intl 14 GP, 49er, 18ft skiff are contenders.
Since they all plane up wind, waterline is less of an issue so I would
guess larger craft like an E scow, and A scow are in this class.

In light winds (under maybe 6 or 7 knots) AC type boats (long, narrow
keel yacht) are probabely fastest. A little more wind and i would
consider racing skiffs. Even more (12 knots and up) and Formula
Windsurfing gear has chances. But ultimately fastest are probabely big
(semi)planing racing yachts like the Open 60s or even bigger beasts.
Wasn't there a thread about a 150ft racing monohull shattering some
record a while back? Of course these boats aren't readily available to
most of us...
--
Wolfgang

i agree with the a.c. boats, but open 60's and similar boats
aren't designed for upwind work. neither was mari cha - the boat
that beat the transatlantic record recently.

jeff feehan

Wolfgang Soergel wrote:

Harken Ronstan wrote:

What is the fastest mono-hull (non-sailboard)on a windward leeward or
triangle course these days?

I estimate: 505, Intl 14 GP, 49er, 18ft skiff are contenders.
Since they all plane up wind, waterline is less of an issue so I would
guess larger craft like an E scow, and A scow are in this class.


In light winds (under maybe 6 or 7 knots) AC type boats (long, narrow
keel yacht) are probabely fastest. A little more wind and i would
consider racing skiffs. Even more (12 knots and up) and Formula
Windsurfing gear has chances. But ultimately fastest are probabely big
(semi)planing racing yachts like the Open 60s or even bigger beasts.
Wasn't there a thread about a 150ft racing monohull shattering some
record a while back? Of course these boats aren't readily available to
most of us...

jeff feehan wrote:

i agree with the a.c. boats, but open 60's and similar boats
aren't designed for upwind work. neither was mari cha - the boat
that beat the transatlantic record recently.

The problem with IACC boats is that they are designed strictly for windward
& leeward VMG, and furthermore are highly optimized for winds between approx
5 to 15 knots. They don't plane and could not be made to plane, but they do
have long waterlines & tricky hull designs so they can get up & downwind
pretty fast. But they aren't drag racers, their top speed is low by even
planing dinghy standards.

The Open 60s are the opposite, designed to scoot downwind (or at least on
fairly deep reaches). Around a closed course or upwind, they are not slow
but not in the running for fastest IMHO.

Mari-Cha 4 (the 140'+ new record breaking monohull, a ketch no less) has the
same design issues, but is enough bigger (LWL approaching twice the IACC
boats) & more extreme that she would have to be a contender any place she
could fit on the course. Supposedly this boat can go 2X true wind speed
under a wide variety of conditions.... a chop isn't going to slow her down
much!

Besides if a windsurfer was on the same race course with any of these boats,
all the other skipper would have to do is blanket him

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:

Mari-Cha 4 (the 140'+ new record breaking monohull, a ketch no less)..

Looks more like a schooner to me...

Besides if a windsurfer was on the same race course with any of these boats,
all the other skipper would have to do is blanket him

Good point! And could you imagine being dead in the water with a 140 ft
boat bearing down on you?

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//-Walt
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