On Mon, 1 May 2017 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


12:10 PMPoco Deplorevole
On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

So delorto evidently used the save carb for different apps, excusing the needle and jetting. That's interesting. Using the same CFM Venturi carburation for the wide of a genre cc engines. I can't see it but it must have worked...

When I bought the Mille, it was jetted for the USA. Very soon after buying it, I bought a European
jetting kit for both carbs. Also put competition pipes on it at the same time. Turned it into a real
screamer.
....
I thought of looking up performance stuff for my v11, but I figure it's good enough the way it is. Still comptimplating an MV though...

The pipes, jetting and K&N air filters made a hell of a difference in the way mine ran.

12:45 PMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
The pipes, jetting and K&N air filters made a hell of a difference in the way mine ran.
....

Oh yes I'm sure it would. I'm limited in mine to what I can do. Seeing mine is electronic fuel injected, anout the only things available is through Harpers, there's some "performance" mufflers. And also available is a $300.00 computer box, and that's about it..

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detai...zi/jackal-1100

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detai...zi/jackal-1100

https://store.58cycle.com/product_p/...FRYbgQodK0oD8g

On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

So delorto evidently used the save carb for different apps, excusing the needle and jetting. That's interesting. Using the same CFM Venturi carburation for the wide of a genre cc engines. I can't see it but it must have worked...

It is probably like that Walbro carburetor that shows up in virtually
every piece small 2 stroke equipment these days. It is the same
casting with dozens of different jet combinations.

On 5/1/2017 2:15 PM, Tim wrote:

12:45 PMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
The pipes, jetting and K&N air filters made a hell of a difference in the way mine ran.
...

Oh yes I'm sure it would. I'm limited in mine to what I can do. Seeing mine is electronic fuel injected, anout the only things available is through Harpers, there's some "performance" mufflers. And also available is a $300.00 computer box, and that's about it..

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detai...zi/jackal-1100

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detai...zi/jackal-1100

https://store.58cycle.com/product_p/...FRYbgQodK0oD8g



Do you really think K&N air filters make a difference? I've tried them
on two different vehicles, one with a carb and one that was fuel
injected. Other than being a bit louder under full throttle, I didn't
see any performance difference. Isn't it true that a stock air filter
is designed to pass the maximum amount of air that the intake can
handle? If so, of what benefit is a K&N? They may be capable of more
air passing through them under test conditions but if the intake only
demands what a stock filter can handle, what's the point?

On Mon, 01 May 2017 13:45:27 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2017 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


12:10 PMPoco Deplorevole
On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

So delorto evidently used the save carb for different apps, excusing the needle and jetting. That's interesting. Using the same CFM Venturi carburation for the wide of a genre cc engines. I can't see it but it must have worked...

When I bought the Mille, it was jetted for the USA. Very soon after buying it, I bought a European
jetting kit for both carbs. Also put competition pipes on it at the same time. Turned it into a real
screamer.
....
I thought of looking up performance stuff for my v11, but I figure it's good enough the way it is. Still comptimplating an MV though...

The pipes, jetting and K&N air filters made a hell of a difference in the way mine ran.

Not really a motorcycle but the same sort of thing happened when I
rebuilt the "Vega" motor in my 75 Monza.
I got a distributor kit and another cam gear that changed the ignition
curve and cam timing, along with a little more compression, a little
overbore and a different carb made that a pretty fast Monza.
I am sure it would not have passed an emission inspection tho ;-)

On 5/1/2017 2:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 May 2017 13:45:27 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2017 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


12:10 PMPoco Deplorevole
On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

So delorto evidently used the save carb for different apps, excusing the needle and jetting. That's interesting. Using the same CFM Venturi carburation for the wide of a genre cc engines. I can't see it but it must have worked...

When I bought the Mille, it was jetted for the USA. Very soon after buying it, I bought a European
jetting kit for both carbs. Also put competition pipes on it at the same time. Turned it into a real
screamer.
....
I thought of looking up performance stuff for my v11, but I figure it's good enough the way it is. Still comptimplating an MV though...

The pipes, jetting and K&N air filters made a hell of a difference in the way mine ran.

Not really a motorcycle but the same sort of thing happened when I
rebuilt the "Vega" motor in my 75 Monza.
I got a distributor kit and another cam gear that changed the ignition
curve and cam timing, along with a little more compression, a little
overbore and a different carb made that a pretty fast Monza.
I am sure it would not have passed an emission inspection tho ;-)



I can understand how those modifications can make a big difference in
performance. Usually though, they are at the expense of something else.

But the K&N claims have always bothered me. My truck has the 5.4L
engine and came with single exhaust. About 4 years ago I was bored and
I had a dual exhaust system put on it just for the hell of it.
The guy who did the work assured me that I'd get better performance and
fuel economy with the dual exhaust. Bull****. Didn't change a thing.
I then replaced the stock air filter with a K&N. Didn't change a thing.

Since then, I've replaced the dual exhaust with the original OEM single
(was getting tired of the "rumble"). I also tossed the K&N for a stock,
OEM replacement. Again, no noticeable difference in fuel economy or
performance.

Snake oil, methinks.

On Mon, 1 May 2017 11:15:23 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


12:45 PMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
The pipes, jetting and K&N air filters made a hell of a difference in the way mine ran.
...

Oh yes I'm sure it would. I'm limited in mine to what I can do. Seeing mine is electronic fuel injected, anout the only things available is through Harpers, there's some "performance" mufflers. And also available is a $300.00 computer box, and that's about it..

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detai...zi/jackal-1100

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detai...zi/jackal-1100

https://store.58cycle.com/product_p/...FRYbgQodK0oD8g

Holy ****...$400 for one muffler. Those babies aren't cheap! I wouldn't buy anything from Harpers.
Actually, the Jackal has plenty of power anyway.

I'll bet you could outrun Harry's Ducati on the straights and in the twisties!

On Mon, 1 May 2017 14:47:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Not really a motorcycle but the same sort of thing happened when I
rebuilt the "Vega" motor in my 75 Monza.
I got a distributor kit and another cam gear that changed the ignition
curve and cam timing, along with a little more compression, a little
overbore and a different carb made that a pretty fast Monza.
I am sure it would not have passed an emission inspection tho ;-)



I can understand how those modifications can make a big difference in
performance. Usually though, they are at the expense of something else.


In this case, other than a slightly bigger displacement it was mostly
at the cost of low RPM emissions. I didn't run it at low RPM that much
anyway ;-)
I was working midnights by then so sitting in traffic was not a
factor.

But the K&N claims have always bothered me. My truck has the 5.4L
engine and came with single exhaust. About 4 years ago I was bored and
I had a dual exhaust system put on it just for the hell of it.
The guy who did the work assured me that I'd get better performance and
fuel economy with the dual exhaust. Bull****. Didn't change a thing.
I then replaced the stock air filter with a K&N. Didn't change a thing.

Since then, I've replaced the dual exhaust with the original OEM single
(was getting tired of the "rumble"). I also tossed the K&N for a stock,
OEM replacement. Again, no noticeable difference in fuel economy or
performance.

Snake oil, methinks.


There is a lot of snake oil being sold out there. In the boat business
it seems to be their stock and trade. Yamalube? Really?

On 5/1/17 2:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/1/2017 2:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 May 2017 13:45:27 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2017 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


12:10 PMPoco Deplorevole
On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

So delorto evidently used the save carb for different apps,
excusing the needle and jetting. That's interesting. Using the
same CFM Venturi carburation for the wide of a genre cc engines. I
can't see it but it must have worked...

When I bought the Mille, it was jetted for the USA. Very soon after
buying it, I bought a European
jetting kit for both carbs. Also put competition pipes on it at the
same time. Turned it into a real
screamer.
....
I thought of looking up performance stuff for my v11, but I figure
it's good enough the way it is. Still comptimplating an MV though...

The pipes, jetting and K&N air filters made a hell of a difference in
the way mine ran.

Not really a motorcycle but the same sort of thing happened when I
rebuilt the "Vega" motor in my 75 Monza.
I got a distributor kit and another cam gear that changed the ignition
curve and cam timing, along with a little more compression, a little
overbore and a different carb made that a pretty fast Monza.
I am sure it would not have passed an emission inspection tho ;-)



I can understand how those modifications can make a big difference in
performance. Usually though, they are at the expense of something else.

But the K&N claims have always bothered me. My truck has the 5.4L
engine and came with single exhaust. About 4 years ago I was bored and
I had a dual exhaust system put on it just for the hell of it.
The guy who did the work assured me that I'd get better performance and
fuel economy with the dual exhaust. Bull****. Didn't change a thing.
I then replaced the stock air filter with a K&N. Didn't change a thing.

Since then, I've replaced the dual exhaust with the original OEM single
(was getting tired of the "rumble"). I also tossed the K&N for a stock,
OEM replacement. Again, no noticeable difference in fuel economy or
performance.

Snake oil, methinks.



One of my buddies with a truck similar to mine installed a K&N air
filter and some "name brand" exhaust. All the pair did, he said, was to
make the truck louder. I've made no mods to my truck, other than
installing a pair of "shock absorber" lifts for the front hood. For
reasons I don't understand, Toyota didn't put them on the truck, even
though they put them on their car hoods. I've got about 13,000 miles on
the truck now, after 13 months, and I'm averaging about 23 MPG for the
kind of driving I do around here. I've seen 27 MPG on the interstate if
I cruise between 65 and 70.

On Mon, 1 May 2017 14:27:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/1/2017 2:15 PM, Tim wrote:

12:45 PMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
The pipes, jetting and K&N air filters made a hell of a difference in the way mine ran.
...

Oh yes I'm sure it would. I'm limited in mine to what I can do. Seeing mine is electronic fuel injected, anout the only things available is through Harpers, there's some "performance" mufflers. And also available is a $300.00 computer box, and that's about it..

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detai...zi/jackal-1100

http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detai...zi/jackal-1100

https://store.58cycle.com/product_p/...FRYbgQodK0oD8g



Do you really think K&N air filters make a difference? I've tried them
on two different vehicles, one with a carb and one that was fuel
injected. Other than being a bit louder under full throttle, I didn't
see any performance difference. Isn't it true that a stock air filter
is designed to pass the maximum amount of air that the intake can
handle? If so, of what benefit is a K&N? They may be capable of more
air passing through them under test conditions but if the intake only
demands what a stock filter can handle, what's the point?

I don't know if the K&Ns pass more air or not. With the three changes I made to my bike it
accelerated much faster. I do know that I can dismount, clean, oil, and replace the K&Ns in about a
half hour. The stock air filter would take at least an hour just to get to it...buried under the gas
tank between frame members with tubes going everywhere.

Here's what the stock filter looks like:

https://www.harpermoto.com/images/pl...air-filter.jpg

Here's a pic showing how it's mounted, but you have to look very closely. It's under the top center
frame member, between the two side frame members, snuggled down between the two cylinders.

http://image.wikifoundry.com/image/1...3686/GW448H336

Here's the K&N installation:

http://www.spedizione.nl/wp-content/...-3-2015-41.jpg