On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:09:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/10/2017 5:18 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/10/17 5:06 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:24:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

There were studies and reports available during the time Agent Orange
was used that indicated it was a severe health hazard to humans, but
since it was the US military that was using it, the reports were
ignored.

Bull****. The government let farmers use the bad component of Agent
Orange (Dioxin) until 1986 and the other, 2,4-D is still in use today,
probably by you if you put weed killer on your lawn.



In 1967, the Federation of American Scientists submitted a petition to
the White House with more than 5000 signatures of renowned scientists,
including 17 Nobel laureates and 129 members of the National Academy of
Sciences to end the herbicide program. Concerns about the ecological
impacts of the herbicides in Vietnam were also raised by the American
scientific community, the Association of American Association for the
Advancement of Science called for field investigations in Vietnam.

In 1969, it became widely known that the 2,4,5-T component of Agent
Orange was contaminated with dioxin, a toxic chemical (chemical
structure illustrated above) found to cause adverse health effects and
birth outcomes in laboratory studies. In April 1970, the US government
restricted use of 2,4,5-T, and therefore Agent Orange, in both Vietnam
and the US.
http://tinyurl.com/mqgfgsk




Greg said 2,4-D. He didn't say 2,4,5-T.
jug of 2,4,-D.


The US rice farmers were still allowed to use 2,4,5-T until the 80s.

245T is readily available in Crossbow Herbacide. It's actually an acid base that attacks the root structure of wood plants like trees. Roundup is a salt base.

24-d is still used as a Herbacide and isn't banned that I know of...

On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

245T is readily available in Crossbow Herbacide. It's actually an acid base that attacks the root structure of wood plants like trees. Roundup is a salt base.

24-d is still used as a Herbacide and isn't banned that I know of...

Crossbow has 2,3-D in it but the other ingredient is triclopyr
(basically Garlon or Ortho Brush B Gone)
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/g...sets/L5842.pdf

On 4/10/2017 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

245T is readily available in Crossbow Herbacide. It's actually an acid base that attacks the root structure of wood plants like trees. Roundup is a salt base.

24-d is still used as a Herbacide and isn't banned that I know of...

Crossbow has 2,3-D in it but the other ingredient is triclopyr
(basically Garlon or Ortho Brush B Gone)
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/g...sets/L5842.pdf


and available at your local Walmart

On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:12:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/10/2017 5:42 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:18:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/10/17 5:06 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:24:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

There were studies and reports available during the time Agent Orange
was used that indicated it was a severe health hazard to humans, but
since it was the US military that was using it, the reports were ignored.

Bull****. The government let farmers use the bad component of Agent
Orange (Dioxin) until 1986 and the other, 2,4-D is still in use today,
probably by you if you put weed killer on your lawn.



In 1967, the Federation of American Scientists submitted a petition to
the White House with more than 5000 signatures of renowned scientists,
including 17 Nobel laureates and 129 members of the National Academy of
Sciences to end the herbicide program. Concerns about the ecological
impacts of the herbicides in Vietnam were also raised by the American
scientific community, the Association of American Association for the
Advancement of Science called for field investigations in Vietnam.

In 1969, it became widely known that the 2,4,5-T component of Agent
Orange was contaminated with dioxin, a toxic chemical (chemical
structure illustrated above) found to cause adverse health effects and
birth outcomes in laboratory studies. In April 1970, the US government
restricted use of 2,4,5-T, and therefore Agent Orange, in both Vietnam
and the US.
http://tinyurl.com/mqgfgsk


Thank you for proving that the US did not use Agent Orange as a chemical weapon.

You are to be commended for accepting a fact which has been repeatedly stated.

WADS!

Oh, I was there in '69, when the herbicide hadn't yet been restricted. And, the 'Association of
American Association for the Advancement of Science' hadn't gotten the word out to the troops in the
field.



What months in 1969 and whereabouts? Wouldn't have included May by any
chance would it?

January to December. I lucked out and got a two-week drop for Christmas. I was in Cu Chi with the
65th Engineer Battalion of the 25th Infantry Division. In May I was a company commander in Cu Chi.
About June I became the Battalion S-2 (Intel). Got to fly dawn and dusk patrol over the entire
division AO looking for breached roads, blown bridges, or other obstacles. Interesting job.