On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 13:41:52 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 08:06:32 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm supportive of the process Maryland requires for sales/transfers of
pistols and revolvers.

Yeah you might have to ask 2 or 3 people in PG county before you can
find someone to sell you an off the books gun.
It is really working great in Baltimore too. 54 murders so far, most
unsolved.

The federal waiting period for paperwork approval
of a suppressor, however, is annoying. It was two to three months when I
got mine, and nowadays, I hear, it is closer to six months.

Why would suppressor be NFA devices in the first place? If anything
they make guns safer. (less chance of hearing loss)

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the cops in PG County wouldn't sell you an 'off the books' gun.

On 3/4/17 8:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/4/17 7:08 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:25:37 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/2/17 8:15 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/2/17 4:19 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:50:21 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

This is for the precision challenged I think these guys are the only
ones that double label for Aito *AND* ACP
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/17...l-metal-jacket



But, it's what's written on the cartridge that counts!

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adi.../207427_ts.jpg




You've heard of Smith & Wesson, right, ****-for-brains?

That company has references to .45 ACP on many of its web pages. You
think some semi-retarded right-wing assholes here know more than S&W
about firearms?

Smith & Wesson:

http://tinyurl.com/h7kaykc
I couldn't find it and my browser yielded no results.

http://tinyurl.com/hjxogp2
Revolvers. No .45 ACP on that page either.


Click on caliber at the top and you'll see .45 ACP and a bunch of
revolvers that shoot it. Here's one, identified as a .45 ACP revolver:

http://tinyurl.com/hkscslp



A *revolver* identified as an Automatic Colt *Pistol*? Interesting and
also bad marketing.

It's strange. For the semi-auto, the caliber is '.45 Auto'. But for their revolvers, the caliber is
'.45 ACP'.

I think they're wrong in both cases. (Oh ****, I can feel Harry's pulse quicken.) The 'caliber' of
both the semi-autos and the revolvers is '.45 caliber'. The cartridge they fire is the '.45 Auto'.

I'm thinking someone at S&W didn't like the idea of stamping '.45 Auto' on the side of a revolver,
so they went with '.45 ACP' for people, like Harry, who didn't know any better.


That you and Alex think you are "thinking" is a great bit of humor to
start off the day. Your flaccid argument isn't with me...it's with all
the vendors who sell products they describe as .45 ACP firearms and
ammo. Perhaps you should write to them and tell them the error of their
ways. I'm sure Smith and Wesson would love to hear from a pair of mooks
like you two.

It's always nice to put up a post that gets so many responses from you
mouthbreathers, although in this case it wasn't my intention.

I'm heading out to Virginia a little later this morning, fully armed and
ready to take on a slew of empty soda pop and beer cans, a dozen full
two liter soda pop bottles, and various other targets. Too bad you're
such a flaming asshole, Herring, because if you weren't, I'd ask you to
join us...a group of guys whose political beliefs are all over the
spectrum. One of the group legally owns a few full auto firearms, and
I'm sure he'll have one of them with him.


Going stumpy hunting? Are you all going to do a sleep over in your
cinderblock cabin? What do you call yourselves? The Gay Gunners
would work if you haven't already picked out a name?


Alas, Stumpy was laid to rest a few years ago after a good christian
service. Now there's a septic field where he once reigned.
And, as per plan, the "cabin" you referred is now a storage building,
since the actual habitable cabin has been built on the site.

On 3/4/17 3:10 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
'several
names'. Well, where are they? See, Harry, you spout bull**** and don't back it up. Yet you complain
about Trump.

Whatever would make you think I'd consider joining you and whomever for anything?

You mean, like your walk on a golf course?

On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:15:04 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:


I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the cops in PG County wouldn't sell you an 'off the books' gun.

Most of the off the books guns I have came from cops (Charlotte County
Fla SO, DC and Md State)

On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 18:37:05 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 3/4/17 3:10 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
'several
names'. Well, where are they? See, Harry, you spout bull**** and don't back it up. Yet you complain
about Trump.

Whatever would make you think I'd consider joining you and whomever for anything?

You mean, like your walk on a golf course?

I'd let you stay way out front, 'cause I'd probably have a hard time keeping up with something like
you.

Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:25:37 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/2/17 8:15 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/2/17 4:19 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:50:21 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

This is for the precision challenged I think these guys are the only
ones that double label for Aito *AND* ACP
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/17...l-metal-jacket


But, it's what's written on the cartridge that counts!

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adi.../207427_ts.jpg



You've heard of Smith & Wesson, right, ****-for-brains?

That company has references to .45 ACP on many of its web pages. You
think some semi-retarded right-wing assholes here know more than S&W
about firearms?

Smith & Wesson:

http://tinyurl.com/h7kaykc
I couldn't find it and my browser yielded no results.
http://tinyurl.com/hjxogp2
Revolvers. No .45 ACP on that page either.

Click on caliber at the top and you'll see .45 ACP and a bunch of
revolvers that shoot it. Here's one, identified as a .45 ACP revolver:

http://tinyurl.com/hkscslp


A *revolver* identified as an Automatic Colt *Pistol*? Interesting and
also bad marketing.
It's strange. For the semi-auto, the caliber is '.45 Auto'. But for their revolvers, the caliber is
'.45 ACP'.

I think they're wrong in both cases. (Oh ****, I can feel Harry's pulse quicken.) The 'caliber' of
both the semi-autos and the revolvers is '.45 caliber'. The cartridge they fire is the '.45 Auto'.

I'm thinking someone at S&W didn't like the idea of stamping '.45 Auto' on the side of a revolver,
so they went with '.45 ACP' for people, like Harry, who didn't know any better.

Good guess. .45 auto is an odd cartridge for a revolver.

Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:34:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/3/17 7:32 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 19:12:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 3/2/17 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:53:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/2/17 4:51 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:36:47 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/2/17 4:19 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:50:21 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

This is for the precision challenged I think these guys are
the only
ones that double label for Aito *AND* ACP
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/17...l-metal-jacket

But, it's what's written on the cartridge that counts!

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adi.../207427_ts.jpg



You've heard of Smith & Wesson, right, ****-for-brains?

That company has references to .45 ACP on many of its web
pages. You
think some semi-retarded right-wing assholes here know more
than S&W
about firearms?

Smith & Wesson:

http://tinyurl.com/h7kaykc

http://tinyurl.com/hjxogp2

http://tinyurl.com/jqf2o6r
They are either referring to the gun or they, like you, are being
imprecise with the language.

The cartridge is rightfully called '.45 Auto'. Find one .45
cartridge
with '.45 ACP' on the base.

Or, you could just gracefully bow out.

Also, from your link:


Specifications
SKU: 11526
Model: M&P®45 M2.0? Thumb Safety
Caliber: .45 AUTO
Capacity: 10+1
Barrel Length: 4.6" / 11.7 cm
Overall Length: 7.9"
Front Sight: Steel - White Dot
Rear Sight: Steel - White Two Dot
Action: Striker Fire
Grip: Polymer
Weight: 27.0 oz / 765.4g
Barrel Material: Stainless Steel - Armornite® Finish
Slide Material: Stainless Steel - Armornite® Finish
Frame Material: Polymer
Purpose: Home Protection, Personal Protection

Note 'Caliber: .45 AUTO'. Maybe you missed that. I didn't check
the rest of your links.

So far, you're batting about a zero.

Tell us about 'Digital Desire' instead.

I am sure S&W knows a lot more about firearms nomenclature than
you and
your braindead buds here ever will.
Show me a cartridge with '.45 ACP' on the base.

I'm sure they are experts in firearm nomenclature. If they're talking
about the firearm, then '.45
ACP' could well be correct. Do they make .45 Auto ammunition? If
so, I'll
bet the cartridge base
says '.45 Auto'.

Now hush, Mr. Precise. You blew it.

Maybe 50 years plus ago, it said ACP, but the rest of the
manufacturers did
not want to mention Colt. Wasn't a30.06 originally a Winchester
30.06?

The fact is, the round has several names in common use by authoritative
vendors.
And those using '.45 ACP' are wrong. (You missed that part.) Besides
the two names under discussion,
what other names are in 'common use by authoritative vendors'?


Yawn.
IOW you can't name any. Nice job, writer. You are well known as a
liar. Why continue on that path?
'The proof is in the pudding.'

I keep waiting for him to show us the cartridge with .45 ACP stamped on the base, and to show us the
'other names in 'common use by authoritative vendors'

I reckon we shouldn't hold our breath.

Nope.

On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 21:49:10 -0500, Alex wrote:

Good guess. .45 auto is an odd cartridge for a revolver.

Holy moon clip Batman ;-)
I think the government made a ****load of M17s so they are not that
"odd" but they do seem to be getting expensive. I remember when they
were $25-30 at Ye Olde Hunter (Interarmco). Now I see them at over a
grand.
I think there were also more than a few W&S MkVIs modified to fire the
..45 auto with a clip. These things were really dirt cheap at YOH, like
$10.

On 3/4/17 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 21:49:10 -0500, Alex wrote:

Good guess. .45 auto is an odd cartridge for a revolver.

Holy moon clip Batman ;-)
I think the government made a ****load of M17s so they are not that
"odd" but they do seem to be getting expensive. I remember when they
were $25-30 at Ye Olde Hunter (Interarmco). Now I see them at over a
grand.
I think there were also more than a few W&S MkVIs modified to fire the
.45 auto with a clip. These things were really dirt cheap at YOH, like
$10.

You are referring to the M1917 revolver, as described in Wiki and elsewhe

The M1917 Revolver (formally United States Revolver, Caliber .45, M1917)
was a U.S. six-shot revolver of .45 ACP caliber. It was adopted by the
U.S. Army in 1917 to supplement the standard M1911 .45 ACP
semi-automatic pistol during World War I. Afterwards, it was primarily
used by secondary and non-deployed troops. There were two variations of
the M1917, one made by Colt and the other made by Smith & Wesson.

Or how about:

The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol), or .45 Auto (11.43×23mm) is a
handgun cartridge designed by John Browning in 1905, for use in his
prototype Colt semi-automatic pistol. After successful military trials
it was adopted along with the Browning .45 Colt handgun as the .45 M1911
cartridge. The handgun was designated M1911 handgun.

Or maybe:

The Smith & Wesson Model 22 series of revolvers is a refined, commercial
version of the M1917 revolver issued during World War I.

The Model 22 was built to directly chamber rimless pistol cartridges
like the .45 ACP and the .45 GAP but allows for use with moon clips.

The Model 22 is a large frame double-action revolver chambered in .45
ACP using half or full moon clips. It may also use .45 Auto Rim as they
were designed for revolvers chambered in .45 ACP or .45 GAP using the
half or full moon clips. Built around Smith & Wesson's large N frame, it
was originally sold as the Model 1950 and is normally fitted with a 5½"
barrel with no under lug and fixed combat sights. Target models are the
models 25 and 26.


Nomenclature...sometimes it gets tricky.

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 9:49:16 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:25:37 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/2/17 8:15 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/2/17 4:19 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:50:21 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

This is for the precision challenged I think these guys are the only
ones that double label for Aito *AND* ACP
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/17...l-metal-jacket


But, it's what's written on the cartridge that counts!

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adi.../207427_ts.jpg



You've heard of Smith & Wesson, right, ****-for-brains?

That company has references to .45 ACP on many of its web pages. You
think some semi-retarded right-wing assholes here know more than S&W
about firearms?

Smith & Wesson:

http://tinyurl.com/h7kaykc
I couldn't find it and my browser yielded no results.
http://tinyurl.com/hjxogp2
Revolvers. No .45 ACP on that page either.

Click on caliber at the top and you'll see .45 ACP and a bunch of
revolvers that shoot it. Here's one, identified as a .45 ACP revolver:

http://tinyurl.com/hkscslp


A *revolver* identified as an Automatic Colt *Pistol*? Interesting and
also bad marketing.
It's strange. For the semi-auto, the caliber is '.45 Auto'. But for their revolvers, the caliber is
'.45 ACP'.

I think they're wrong in both cases. (Oh ****, I can feel Harry's pulse quicken.) The 'caliber' of
both the semi-autos and the revolvers is '.45 caliber'. The cartridge they fire is the '.45 Auto'.

I'm thinking someone at S&W didn't like the idea of stamping '.45 Auto' on the side of a revolver,
so they went with '.45 ACP' for people, like Harry, who didn't know any better.

Good guess. .45 auto is an odd cartridge for a revolver.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that has interchangeable cylinders in 45 Auto and 45 Long Colt. I rarely shoot 45 Auto in it... much more fun to shoot the 45 LC. Big boom!

Cost is a consideration, but between casting my own bullets and handloading, it's manageable. It's fun to play around with the loads. A hot load in 45 LC will wake you up.