Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On 9/9/16 8:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/8/2016 10:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/8/16 8:43 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 9:29 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:18 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 6:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 6:47 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 6:24 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 11:55 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 10:51:54 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/7/16 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 06:33:36 -0400, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 9/6/16 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 23:01:28 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:49:23 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:

Why would I want Navy electronics training?

I know, it is a science, you are an artist.


I took and got A's in a good number of university math
and
science classes.
As I have and had no interest in being in the navy, why
would I
want navy
electronics training?

I suppose if you want to spend 2 years learning what you
could
learn
in 6 weeks, go for it.


Ahh. Your anti-intellectual nonsense

Why is learning things faster anti intellectual?
It seems to me they dumb down schools to the lowest common
denominator
and call it being intellectual. How is that right?
It is funny that the only schools who operate that way are
the
ones
that charge you by the hour so it is not all that amazing.
Schools run by people who have an interest in teaching you
quickly, go
much faster with classes 7 or 8 hours a day at a much faster
tempo
and
if you can't keep up, you get kicked out.
Personally I prefer going fast. Even the IBM schools and the
navy
school was not really challenging me. Public school was a
joke
to me
and my private school was barely holding my attention.
Give me the books and a little nudge in the right direction
and I
will
ace your test.



Fortunately, for the good of mankind, there are ways to learn
other
than
by rote.

Who said anything about "rote". The best learning is
"experience" and
you do not get that in school . . .

Sure you do. Well, maybe not in the courses you took.

I understand the university will teach you plenty of things
with no
practical purpose. It is reflected in the unemployment and
underemployment rate of college graduates. That manifests
itself in
the miserable rate that the trillion plus dollars worth of
student
loans are being repaid.


Hehehe. Your anti-intellectualism is just hysterical. You think
"trade
school" is the answer for everyone. Your sort of rigidity leads
to a
dumbed-down nation full of worker drones incapable of abstract
thinking
and supportive of, oh, Donald Trump.

Your colleges are producing thinkers. We need a few doers to make
something happen. Think and dream all you want Krause. You aren't
going
anywhere without assistance from Dr Dr.

You seem to be fixated on my wife, who is, indeed, a woman of great
accomplishment. What sort of job did Mrs. OldFart hold?


Your wife is the only thing between you and a cardboard box for a
home. Putting it simply, you are a loser
Krauster.



Funny stuff, bozo. So, what sort of job did Mrs. Oldfart hold?
You haven't been cleared for that sort of information.

Right, because it's a BIG secret. What a laugh you are.

It's only a secret from you. I don't mind giving out some personal
information to people I like and respect. What an asshat you are. GFY


Responding to a question about what your wife did for a living before
she retired is not giving out personal information, but, of course, you
are too stupid to understand that.

No, unlike you he is smart enough not to provide you with information
you don't need. You don't have a "need to know".


Your moron buddy is obsessed with my wife. It's okay with me if his wife
worked as a Walmart cashier or whatever, and saying that is not
revealing any personal information.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On 9/9/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/9/16 8:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/8/2016 10:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/8/16 8:43 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 9:29 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:18 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 6:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 6:47 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 6:24 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 11:55 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 10:51:54 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/7/16 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 06:33:36 -0400, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 9/6/16 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 23:01:28 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:49:23 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:

Why would I want Navy electronics training?

I know, it is a science, you are an artist.


I took and got A's in a good number of university math
and
science classes.
As I have and had no interest in being in the navy, why
would I
want navy
electronics training?

I suppose if you want to spend 2 years learning what you
could
learn
in 6 weeks, go for it.


Ahh. Your anti-intellectual nonsense

Why is learning things faster anti intellectual?
It seems to me they dumb down schools to the lowest common
denominator
and call it being intellectual. How is that right?
It is funny that the only schools who operate that way are
the
ones
that charge you by the hour so it is not all that amazing.
Schools run by people who have an interest in teaching you
quickly, go
much faster with classes 7 or 8 hours a day at a much
faster
tempo
and
if you can't keep up, you get kicked out.
Personally I prefer going fast. Even the IBM schools and
the
navy
school was not really challenging me. Public school was a
joke
to me
and my private school was barely holding my attention.
Give me the books and a little nudge in the right direction
and I
will
ace your test.



Fortunately, for the good of mankind, there are ways to
learn
other
than
by rote.

Who said anything about "rote". The best learning is
"experience" and
you do not get that in school . . .

Sure you do. Well, maybe not in the courses you took.

I understand the university will teach you plenty of things
with no
practical purpose. It is reflected in the unemployment and
underemployment rate of college graduates. That manifests
itself in
the miserable rate that the trillion plus dollars worth of
student
loans are being repaid.


Hehehe. Your anti-intellectualism is just hysterical. You think
"trade
school" is the answer for everyone. Your sort of rigidity leads
to a
dumbed-down nation full of worker drones incapable of abstract
thinking
and supportive of, oh, Donald Trump.

Your colleges are producing thinkers. We need a few doers to make
something happen. Think and dream all you want Krause. You aren't
going
anywhere without assistance from Dr Dr.

You seem to be fixated on my wife, who is, indeed, a woman of
great
accomplishment. What sort of job did Mrs. OldFart hold?


Your wife is the only thing between you and a cardboard box for a
home. Putting it simply, you are a loser
Krauster.



Funny stuff, bozo. So, what sort of job did Mrs. Oldfart hold?
You haven't been cleared for that sort of information.

Right, because it's a BIG secret. What a laugh you are.

It's only a secret from you. I don't mind giving out some personal
information to people I like and respect. What an asshat you are. GFY


Responding to a question about what your wife did for a living before
she retired is not giving out personal information, but, of course, you
are too stupid to understand that.

No, unlike you he is smart enough not to provide you with information
you don't need. You don't have a "need to know".


Your moron buddy is obsessed with my wife. It's okay with me if his wife
worked as a Walmart cashier or whatever, and saying that is not
revealing any personal information.

You are the one who has provided detailed information about your spouse
over the years. "Justan" has been smart enough to keep his private life
to himself. I'll help you out though without letting the cat out of the
bag ... his spouse is a very accomplished person. Even you would be
impressed.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:13:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/8/2016 10:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/8/16 8:43 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 9:29 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:18 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 6:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 6:47 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 6:24 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 11:55 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 10:51:54 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/7/16 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 06:33:36 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/6/16 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 23:01:28 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:49:23 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:

Why would I want Navy electronics training?

I know, it is a science, you are an artist.


I took and got A's in a good number of university math and
science classes.
As I have and had no interest in being in the navy, why
would I
want navy
electronics training?

I suppose if you want to spend 2 years learning what you
could
learn
in 6 weeks, go for it.


Ahh. Your anti-intellectual nonsense

Why is learning things faster anti intellectual?
It seems to me they dumb down schools to the lowest common
denominator
and call it being intellectual. How is that right?
It is funny that the only schools who operate that way are
the
ones
that charge you by the hour so it is not all that amazing.
Schools run by people who have an interest in teaching you
quickly, go
much faster with classes 7 or 8 hours a day at a much faster
tempo
and
if you can't keep up, you get kicked out.
Personally I prefer going fast. Even the IBM schools and the
navy
school was not really challenging me. Public school was a
joke
to me
and my private school was barely holding my attention.
Give me the books and a little nudge in the right direction
and I
will
ace your test.



Fortunately, for the good of mankind, there are ways to learn
other
than
by rote.

Who said anything about "rote". The best learning is
"experience" and
you do not get that in school . . .

Sure you do. Well, maybe not in the courses you took.

I understand the university will teach you plenty of things
with no
practical purpose. It is reflected in the unemployment and
underemployment rate of college graduates. That manifests
itself in
the miserable rate that the trillion plus dollars worth of
student
loans are being repaid.


Hehehe. Your anti-intellectualism is just hysterical. You think
"trade
school" is the answer for everyone. Your sort of rigidity leads
to a
dumbed-down nation full of worker drones incapable of abstract
thinking
and supportive of, oh, Donald Trump.

Your colleges are producing thinkers. We need a few doers to make
something happen. Think and dream all you want Krause. You aren't
going
anywhere without assistance from Dr Dr.

You seem to be fixated on my wife, who is, indeed, a woman of great
accomplishment. What sort of job did Mrs. OldFart hold?


Your wife is the only thing between you and a cardboard box for a
home. Putting it simply, you are a loser
Krauster.



Funny stuff, bozo. So, what sort of job did Mrs. Oldfart hold?
You haven't been cleared for that sort of information.

Right, because it's a BIG secret. What a laugh you are.

It's only a secret from you. I don't mind giving out some personal
information to people I like and respect. What an asshat you are. GFY


Responding to a question about what your wife did for a living before
she retired is not giving out personal information, but, of course, you
are too stupid to understand that.

No, unlike you he is smart enough not to provide you with information
you don't need. You don't have a "need to know".


I have often offered to provide Harry with any information he needs. He's yet to provide his list.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/9/16 8:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/8/2016 10:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/8/16 8:43 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 9:29 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:18 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 6:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 6:47 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 6:24 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 11:55 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 10:51:54 -0400, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 9/7/16 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 06:33:36 -0400, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 9/6/16 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 23:01:28 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:49:23 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:

Why would I want Navy electronics training?

I know, it is a science, you are an artist.


I took and got A's in a good number of university math
and
science classes.
As I have and had no interest in being in the navy, why
would I
want navy
electronics training?

I suppose if you want to spend 2 years learning what you
could
learn
in 6 weeks, go for it.


Ahh. Your anti-intellectual nonsense

Why is learning things faster anti intellectual?
It seems to me they dumb down schools to the lowest common
denominator
and call it being intellectual. How is that right?
It is funny that the only schools who operate that way are
the
ones
that charge you by the hour so it is not all that amazing.
Schools run by people who have an interest in teaching you
quickly, go
much faster with classes 7 or 8 hours a day at a much
faster
tempo
and
if you can't keep up, you get kicked out.
Personally I prefer going fast. Even the IBM schools
and the
navy
school was not really challenging me. Public school was a
joke
to me
and my private school was barely holding my attention.
Give me the books and a little nudge in the right
direction
and I
will
ace your test.



Fortunately, for the good of mankind, there are ways to
learn
other
than
by rote.

Who said anything about "rote". The best learning is
"experience" and
you do not get that in school . . .

Sure you do. Well, maybe not in the courses you took.

I understand the university will teach you plenty of things
with no
practical purpose. It is reflected in the unemployment and
underemployment rate of college graduates. That manifests
itself in
the miserable rate that the trillion plus dollars worth of
student
loans are being repaid.


Hehehe. Your anti-intellectualism is just hysterical. You think
"trade
school" is the answer for everyone. Your sort of rigidity leads
to a
dumbed-down nation full of worker drones incapable of abstract
thinking
and supportive of, oh, Donald Trump.

Your colleges are producing thinkers. We need a few doers to
make
something happen. Think and dream all you want Krause. You
aren't
going
anywhere without assistance from Dr Dr.

You seem to be fixated on my wife, who is, indeed, a woman of
great
accomplishment. What sort of job did Mrs. OldFart hold?


Your wife is the only thing between you and a cardboard box for a
home. Putting it simply, you are a loser
Krauster.



Funny stuff, bozo. So, what sort of job did Mrs. Oldfart hold?
You haven't been cleared for that sort of information.

Right, because it's a BIG secret. What a laugh you are.

It's only a secret from you. I don't mind giving out some personal
information to people I like and respect. What an asshat you are. GFY


Responding to a question about what your wife did for a living before
she retired is not giving out personal information, but, of course, you
are too stupid to understand that.

No, unlike you he is smart enough not to provide you with information
you don't need. You don't have a "need to know".


Your moron buddy is obsessed with my wife. It's okay with me if his
wife worked as a Walmart cashier or whatever, and saying that is not
revealing any personal information.

Your behavior here sent someone on the hunt for your personal
information a while ago. It might have been Kevin when you weren't pals
- I don't remember. The public information revealed your address and
the name of the owner of the house you haunt. You took that path by
****ing off Kevin - or someone else.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:03:08 -0400, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/9/16 8:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/8/2016 10:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/8/16 8:43 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 9:29 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:18 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 6:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 6:47 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 6:24 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/7/2016 11:55 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 10:51:54 -0400, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 9/7/16 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 06:33:36 -0400, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 9/6/16 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 23:01:28 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:49:23 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

wrote:

Why would I want Navy electronics training?

I know, it is a science, you are an artist.


I took and got A's in a good number of university math
and
science classes.
As I have and had no interest in being in the navy, why
would I
want navy
electronics training?

I suppose if you want to spend 2 years learning what you
could
learn
in 6 weeks, go for it.


Ahh. Your anti-intellectual nonsense

Why is learning things faster anti intellectual?
It seems to me they dumb down schools to the lowest common
denominator
and call it being intellectual. How is that right?
It is funny that the only schools who operate that way are
the
ones
that charge you by the hour so it is not all that amazing.
Schools run by people who have an interest in teaching you
quickly, go
much faster with classes 7 or 8 hours a day at a much
faster
tempo
and
if you can't keep up, you get kicked out.
Personally I prefer going fast. Even the IBM schools
and the
navy
school was not really challenging me. Public school was a
joke
to me
and my private school was barely holding my attention.
Give me the books and a little nudge in the right
direction
and I
will
ace your test.



Fortunately, for the good of mankind, there are ways to
learn
other
than
by rote.

Who said anything about "rote". The best learning is
"experience" and
you do not get that in school . . .

Sure you do. Well, maybe not in the courses you took.

I understand the university will teach you plenty of things
with no
practical purpose. It is reflected in the unemployment and
underemployment rate of college graduates. That manifests
itself in
the miserable rate that the trillion plus dollars worth of
student
loans are being repaid.


Hehehe. Your anti-intellectualism is just hysterical. You think
"trade
school" is the answer for everyone. Your sort of rigidity leads
to a
dumbed-down nation full of worker drones incapable of abstract
thinking
and supportive of, oh, Donald Trump.

Your colleges are producing thinkers. We need a few doers to
make
something happen. Think and dream all you want Krause. You
aren't
going
anywhere without assistance from Dr Dr.

You seem to be fixated on my wife, who is, indeed, a woman of
great
accomplishment. What sort of job did Mrs. OldFart hold?


Your wife is the only thing between you and a cardboard box for a
home. Putting it simply, you are a loser
Krauster.



Funny stuff, bozo. So, what sort of job did Mrs. Oldfart hold?
You haven't been cleared for that sort of information.

Right, because it's a BIG secret. What a laugh you are.

It's only a secret from you. I don't mind giving out some personal
information to people I like and respect. What an asshat you are. GFY


Responding to a question about what your wife did for a living before
she retired is not giving out personal information, but, of course, you
are too stupid to understand that.

No, unlike you he is smart enough not to provide you with information
you don't need. You don't have a "need to know".


Your moron buddy is obsessed with my wife. It's okay with me if his
wife worked as a Walmart cashier or whatever, and saying that is not
revealing any personal information.

Your behavior here sent someone on the hunt for your personal
information a while ago. It might have been Kevin when you weren't pals
- I don't remember. The public information revealed your address and
the name of the owner of the house you haunt. You took that path by
****ing off Kevin - or someone else.

Gosh, until his address got published and the satellite shot showed differently, he did a lot of
bragging about his 'Maryland Red Barn' and his quarter mile driveway.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:08:03 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:


Your behavior here sent someone on the hunt for your personal
information a while ago. It might have been Kevin when you weren't pals
- I don't remember. The public information revealed your address and
the name of the owner of the house you haunt. You took that path by
****ing off Kevin - or someone else.

Gosh, until his address got published and the satellite shot showed differently, he did a lot of
bragging about his 'Maryland Red Barn' and his quarter mile driveway.

===

Not to mention the mythical Hatteras sport fish with the corinthian
leather seats.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:42:13 AM UTC-7, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:08:03 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:


Your behavior here sent someone on the hunt for your personal
information a while ago. It might have been Kevin when you weren't pals
- I don't remember. The public information revealed your address and
the name of the owner of the house you haunt. You took that path by
****ing off Kevin - or someone else.

Gosh, until his address got published and the satellite shot showed differently, he did a lot of
bragging about his 'Maryland Red Barn' and his quarter mile driveway.

===

Not to mention the mythical Hatteras sport fish with the corinthian
leather seats.

Remember the bragging and bald faced lie about building the deck himself? Then come to find out a contractor did the job when he and the Dr wife posted a rave review about what a nice job they did on their website.

I'm still in awe over the dumb pic he took of the door install with his reflection in the mirror. Legend in his own mind.

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:07:41 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Leaving students bewildered and stranded. Anyone know more about
this government action against education?

===

The problem is that studens were misled about their employment
opportunities and then defaulted on their government backed student
loans when they couldn't get jobs. The ITT training wasn't quite as
rigorous as the US Navy's and neither were their admission standards.



The Navy has admission standards? Beyond fogging a mirror?


You'd be surprised.


Not if you got in...

The problem with your accusations is that you have no idea what you are
talking about. The Navy has many jobs ... called "ratings" ... and each
one has a minimum score required (along with other specific
requirements), to attend the rating's particular school(s). Some
require enlistments beyond the typical 4 years due to the length of the
schools and the educational investment the government makes. Without
giving away any unnecessary details, the rating and schools "Justan"
attended required one of the highest qualifying scores. You may be
good at sentence structure, prepositional phrases and teaching bonehead
English but it's highly unlikely you would have qualified for the Navy
schools he attended.




Oh, yeah, because the "details" from 50 years ago are significant today.
I get it.


Nothing stands still like the English language.
Once you master
it, it's yours for life. That holds true for most of the union
trades as well. Rules and standards change a bit but once a brick
stacker always a brick stacker. Technology is a different story.
You can't stagnate like an English proffessor and expect to move
along or even keep a job. So you're right. You also proved that a
pedestrian skill set like you have is not that hard to come by
and is of little value, especially for bragging rights.


What the hell would you know about intellectual pursuits? Answer?
Nothing. And you don't seem to know much about the skilled trades,
either. In fact, there's little evidence here you know much about anything.

Harry, my son knows a lot about the "skilled trades" He bought his Carpenters union card and went to work the next week building scaffolding in power plants at the rate of $28-32 bucks an hr. pplus overtime, plus per dium.(about a hundred a day whether he can spend it or not)

Besides his card, the only thing else he has invested is a lunch bucket and a couple special wrenches. And when he's laid off he does a lot of fishing and gets $400.00 a week. Yes, he knows a lot about the "skilled trades"

Government shuts down ITT Tech
 

On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:07:41 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Leaving students bewildered and stranded. Anyone know more about
this government action against education?

===

The problem is that studens were misled about their employment
opportunities and then defaulted on their government backed student
loans when they couldn't get jobs. The ITT training wasn't quite as
rigorous as the US Navy's and neither were their admission standards.



The Navy has admission standards? Beyond fogging a mirror?


You'd be surprised.


Not if you got in...

The problem with your accusations is that you have no idea what you are
talking about. The Navy has many jobs ... called "ratings" ... and each
one has a minimum score required (along with other specific
requirements), to attend the rating's particular school(s). Some
require enlistments beyond the typical 4 years due to the length of the
schools and the educational investment the government makes. Without
giving away any unnecessary details, the rating and schools "Justan"
attended required one of the highest qualifying scores. You may be
good at sentence structure, prepositional phrases and teaching bonehead
English but it's highly unlikely you would have qualified for the Navy
schools he attended.




Oh, yeah, because the "details" from 50 years ago are significant today.
I get it.


Nothing stands still like the English language.
Once you master
it, it's yours for life. That holds true for most of the union
trades as well. Rules and standards change a bit but once a brick
stacker always a brick stacker. Technology is a different story.
You can't stagnate like an English proffessor and expect to move
along or even keep a job. So you're right. You also proved that a
pedestrian skill set like you have is not that hard to come by
and is of little value, especially for bragging rights.


What the hell would you know about intellectual pursuits? Answer?
Nothing. And you don't seem to know much about the skilled trades,
either. In fact, there's little evidence here you know much about anything.

Harry, my son knows a lot about the "skilled trades" He bought his Carpenters union card and went to work the next week building scaffolding in power plants at the rate of $28-32 bucks an hr. pplus overtime, plus per dium.(about a hundred a day whether he can spend it or not)

Besides his card, the only thing else he has invested is a lunch bucket and a couple special wrenches. And when he's laid off he does a lot of fishing and gets $400.00 a week. Yes, he knows a lot about the "skilled trades"


Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?

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On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
....

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?

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On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

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On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.

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On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?

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On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

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On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

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On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:50:06 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

That's common in a lot of "trade unions" and you know it.

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:50:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

Wood scaffolds? Another 20th century idea that technology has wiped
away. These climbing scaffolds come in on a truck and move up as the
block does.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Michigan%20...20Scaffold.jpg

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On 9/12/16 7:56 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:50:06 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

That's common in a lot of "trade unions" and you know it.


Yes, I'm sure many of the "experts" in construction in this newsgroup
could learn the skills of a hod carrier in a few months. Of course
they'd fall over and die from a day of doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Ye2DEbUnI

or maybe learn how to throw cement like these South African fellows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGj-KkjwXJY

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:50:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On 9/11/16 3:42 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/7/16 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/7/16 8:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/6/2016 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/6/16 7:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/6/16 5:44 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
- show quoted text -
Are you making some sort of universal truth about your son's experience?
...

Are you trying to make the unionized laborer part of an elitist group?


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

Have to attack families to make a point, Krause?

Cheap.

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:56:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Thank God for the well-educated engineers making the blueprints easy enough to follow, eh?

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7:20 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Yes, I'm sure many of the "experts" in construction in this newsgroup
could learn the skills of a hod carrier in a few months. Of course
they'd fall over and die from a day of doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Ye2DEbUnI

or maybe learn how to throw cement like these South African fellows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGj-KkjwXJY
.....

Before you posted those vids did you check to see if their dues were paid up?

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:35:15 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:56:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Thank God for the well-educated engineers making the blueprints easy enough to follow, eh?

===

And the project engineers/managers who track the work in progress.

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:11:29 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:50:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

Wood scaffolds? Another 20th century idea that technology has wiped
away. These climbing scaffolds come in on a truck and move up as the
block does.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Michigan%20...20Scaffold.jpg

===

I'll bet the unions fought that technology tooth and nail.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.


4 years? My brother was a welder on a nuclear facility. He was a welder
on the nuke plant they built in the Antarctic. He did not spend 4 years
learning to weld pipe. Building a 12 story, or a 50 story building, takes
engineering talent, and lots of training. To bolt, rivet or weld that
frame does not take 4 years to learn. I went to school for 36 weeks to
learn to fix mainframe computer systems for NCR. I got a 4 year degree in
Electronic engineering. That did not require 4 years of 40 hour weeks.

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On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:24:38 AM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:11:29 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:50:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/12/16 7:43 AM, Tim wrote:

The ones who skipped the job training and flashed some money and bought the card?


Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.

Wood scaffolds? Another 20th century idea that technology has wiped
away. These climbing scaffolds come in on a truck and move up as the
block does.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Michigan%20...20Scaffold.jpg

===

I'll bet the unions fought that technology tooth and nail.

As well as the brick tongs, which wiped out the "skill" of using a hod. Can't let advancement in technology eliminate a union job.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:35:15 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:56:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Thank God for the well-educated engineers making the blueprints easy enough to follow, eh?

===

And the project engineers/managers who track the work in progress.


When I was a kid, my father build a block front to his machine shop. The
union brick layers picketed until they hired them. They lasted one day.
They started mortar in the morning and just added to it during the day.
That evening a light rain and the wall they built collapsed. Yup, union
brick layers are highly trained.

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6:50 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.
.....

No, a saw, tape measure, ladder and nails would be handy too.

How high you want me to build them for you Harry?

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On 9/12/16 12:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.


4 years? My brother was a welder on a nuclear facility. He was a welder
on the nuke plant they built in the Antarctic. He did not spend 4 years
learning to weld pipe. Building a 12 story, or a 50 story building, takes
engineering talent, and lots of training. To bolt, rivet or weld that
frame does not take 4 years to learn. I went to school for 36 weeks to
learn to fix mainframe computer systems for NCR. I got a 4 year degree in
Electronic engineering. That did not require 4 years of 40 hour weeks.



Try reading for content. Apprenticeship programs in the skilled trades
typically run three to four years of classroom and practical training.
I love the attempts here to minimize the skills necessary to build large
or complex structures. Hell, man, you fell off the roof of a house, right?

Here, go argue with the owners of this site:

http://www.constructionskills.org/pages/at.html

Apprentices who enter the construction industry through Construction
Skills attend classes paid for by unions and contractors, while
simultaneously being employed on projects in their craft throughout New
York City.*

As part of a registered apprenticeship program, apprentices receive a
minimum of 144 hours of annual classroom instruction covering the
theory, principles and technical knowledge required to do the job. They
also receive on-the-job training while employed at wages which increase
as their skills progress.

At the successful conclusion of apprenticeship training, which typically
lasts 3-5 years depending on the trade, apprentices graduate to journey
workers. Journey workers are recognized as the most qualified members of
their craft and are paid top wages and benefits.

Apprenticeship is the process of learning a skilled occupation through:

On-the-job training (practical, paid experience)

Classroom training (related, technical education)

All training is afforded to you free-of-charge as a union member
(similar to a scholarship)
Apprentices earn approximately $15–20 per hour plus benefits
Journey workers earn approximately $30–40 per hour plus benefits

The length of training varies from two to five years, depending on the
trade.**


* and ** It's pretty much the same for union apprenticeships throughout
the U.S. and Canada.


So, once again, in your long history of doing so, you have ejaculated
nonsense and ignorance.

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On 9/12/16 12:12 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:35:15 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:56:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Thank God for the well-educated engineers making the blueprints easy enough to follow, eh?

===

And the project engineers/managers who track the work in progress.


When I was a kid, my father build a block front to his machine shop. The
union brick layers picketed until they hired them. They lasted one day.
They started mortar in the morning and just added to it during the day.
That evening a light rain and the wall they built collapsed. Yup, union
brick layers are highly trained.


Bull****.

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On 9/12/16 12:19 PM, Tim wrote:
6:50 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Is that common in the Schnautz family? I suppose if you are building
wood scaffolds, all you need is a hammer, a baseball cap and Keds.
....

No, a saw, tape measure, ladder and nails would be handy too.

How high you want me to build them for you Harry?


Oh, a 12-story one would be fine. Then you could burn it in a bonfire
bluegrass music festival for your area's deplorables.

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:23:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/12/16 12:12 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:35:15 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:56:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Thank God for the well-educated engineers making the blueprints easy enough to follow, eh?

===

And the project engineers/managers who track the work in progress.


When I was a kid, my father build a block front to his machine shop. The
union brick layers picketed until they hired them. They lasted one day.
They started mortar in the morning and just added to it during the day.
That evening a light rain and the wall they built collapsed. Yup, union
brick layers are highly trained.


Bull****.

Now you're saying they're *not* highly trained?

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On 9/12/2016 12:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:



Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and
building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me
with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Are you suggesting that only union trained people are qualified to work
on projects such as these? Are you suggesting that being certified for
"N" code welding requires union training?

If so, you are wrong.

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On 9/12/16 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/12/2016 12:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:



Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and
building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me
with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of
skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Are you suggesting that only union trained people are qualified to work
on projects such as these? Are you suggesting that being certified for
"N" code welding requires union training?

If so, you are wrong.




D'uh. Did I say that? No. My comment was about the good skills of
construction craftworkers. The union ones, at least, get while
apprentices a time-tested and worthwhile training program. The non-union
ones, well, there's training for them, too.

No, I'm not wrong. You are. Have nice day. Here's an idea: try to pick a
fight with one of the right-wing jerkoffs here. There are plenty from
which to choose.

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/12/16 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/12/2016 12:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:



Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and
building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me
with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of
skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Are you suggesting that only union trained people are qualified to work
on projects such as these? Are you suggesting that being certified for
"N" code welding requires union training?

If so, you are wrong.




D'uh. Did I say that? No. My comment was about the good skills of
construction craftworkers. The union ones, at least, get while
apprentices a time-tested and worthwhile training program. The non-union
ones, well, there's training for them, too.

No, I'm not wrong. You are. Have nice day. Here's an idea: try to pick a
fight with one of the right-wing jerkoffs here. There are plenty from
which to choose.


There is no reason for you to be so testy. Perhaps your moobs are
acting up again. Try massaging them and see if it
helps.
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11:34 AMKeyser Soze
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Oh, a 12-story one would be fine. Then you could burn it in a bonfire
bluegrass music festival for your area's deplorables.
......

Why would you want to pay to have a 12 story wooden scaffold built for you just to be burnt? That sounds like something government would do..,

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On 9/12/16 1:27 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/12/16 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/12/2016 12:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:



Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and
building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me
with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of
skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Are you suggesting that only union trained people are qualified to work
on projects such as these? Are you suggesting that being certified for
"N" code welding requires union training?

If so, you are wrong.




D'uh. Did I say that? No. My comment was about the good skills of
construction craftworkers. The union ones, at least, get while
apprentices a time-tested and worthwhile training program. The non-union
ones, well, there's training for them, too.

No, I'm not wrong. You are. Have nice day. Here's an idea: try to pick a
fight with one of the right-wing jerkoffs here. There are plenty from
which to choose.


There is no reason for you to be so testy. Perhaps your moobs are
acting up again. Try massaging them and see if it
helps.


It's nice to know that one of rec.boat's leading right-wing
"deplorables" is still among us.
I hear some of your buds think "deplorable" means "deplortable." Stupid
is as stupid is.

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On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 12:23:07 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/12/16 12:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.


4 years? My brother was a welder on a nuclear facility. He was a welder
on the nuke plant they built in the Antarctic. He did not spend 4 years
learning to weld pipe. Building a 12 story, or a 50 story building, takes
engineering talent, and lots of training. To bolt, rivet or weld that
frame does not take 4 years to learn. I went to school for 36 weeks to
learn to fix mainframe computer systems for NCR. I got a 4 year degree in
Electronic engineering. That did not require 4 years of 40 hour weeks.



Try reading for content. Apprenticeship programs in the skilled trades
typically run three to four years of classroom and practical training.
I love the attempts here to minimize the skills necessary to build large
or complex structures. Hell, man, you fell off the roof of a house, right?

Here, go argue with the owners of this site:

http://www.constructionskills.org/pages/at.html

Apprentices who enter the construction industry through Construction
Skills attend classes paid for by unions and contractors, while
simultaneously being employed on projects in their craft throughout New
York City.*

NYC? Haha... that has to be the most tightly union controlled place on the planet. When we shipped equipment into the city, we had to have it off-loaded outside the city to a union driven truck for it to be accepted for delivery at the site. I had to point at connection points in a wiring frame so a union guy could connect the test equipment. Then he'd hand it to me so I could run the test, then I'd hand it back to him with instructions on where to connect it next, just because I wasn't allowed to touch the wiring frame. All because "they'd worked hard to secure their jobs, and they were going to protect them", or some such BS. The guy couldn't do my job, but it took him, the steward overlooking us, and me to do what I could do by myself.

I do have to say the guys ran the wiring very neatly. Too bad it was full of wiring errors I had to identify and tell them how to correct.

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On 9/12/16 1:34 PM, Tim wrote:
11:34 AMKeyser Soze
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Oh, a 12-story one would be fine. Then you could burn it in a bonfire
bluegrass music festival for your area's deplorables.
.....

Why would you want to pay to have a 12 story wooden scaffold built for you just to be burnt? That sounds like something government would do..,


I didn't say I wanted it. I thought it would be a fine attraction to
burn at *your* next local outdoor camper bluegrass concert for the
deplorables.
I rented a rolling scaffold platform a few months ago to make the job of
painting the walls and ceiling of our garage easier. It's a 12' ceiling
and it was a lot easier and faster to work from a raise-able scaffold
platform than from a ladder.

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12:46 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I didn't say I wanted it. I thought it would be a fine attraction to
burn at *your* next local outdoor camper bluegrass concert for the
deplorables.
I rented a rolling scaffold platform a few months ago to make the job of
painting the walls and ceiling of our garage easier. It's a 12' ceiling
and it was a lot easier and faster to work from a raise-able scaffold
platform than from a ladder.
....

I did say how high do you want me to build it "for you". And you told me.

I think it's not that you don't want me to build it, but rather that you don't want to pay for it, especially after its done.

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On 9/12/16 1:56 PM, Tim wrote:
12:46 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I didn't say I wanted it. I thought it would be a fine attraction to
burn at *your* next local outdoor camper bluegrass concert for the
deplorables.
I rented a rolling scaffold platform a few months ago to make the job of
painting the walls and ceiling of our garage easier. It's a 12' ceiling
and it was a lot easier and faster to work from a raise-able scaffold
platform than from a ladder.
...

I did say how high do you want me to build it "for you". And you told me.

I think it's not that you don't want me to build it, but rather that you don't want to pay for it, especially after its done.


If I really wanted a big scaffold, Tim, I wouldn't be contacting you for
the job. Mellow out.