On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:23:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/12/16 12:12 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:35:15 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:56:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Thank God for the well-educated engineers making the blueprints easy enough to follow, eh?

===

And the project engineers/managers who track the work in progress.


When I was a kid, my father build a block front to his machine shop. The
union brick layers picketed until they hired them. They lasted one day.
They started mortar in the morning and just added to it during the day.
That evening a light rain and the wall they built collapsed. Yup, union
brick layers are highly trained.


Bull****.

Now you're saying they're *not* highly trained?

On 9/12/2016 12:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:



Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and
building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me
with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Are you suggesting that only union trained people are qualified to work
on projects such as these? Are you suggesting that being certified for
"N" code welding requires union training?

If so, you are wrong.

On 9/12/16 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/12/2016 12:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:



Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and
building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me
with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of
skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Are you suggesting that only union trained people are qualified to work
on projects such as these? Are you suggesting that being certified for
"N" code welding requires union training?

If so, you are wrong.




D'uh. Did I say that? No. My comment was about the good skills of
construction craftworkers. The union ones, at least, get while
apprentices a time-tested and worthwhile training program. The non-union
ones, well, there's training for them, too.

No, I'm not wrong. You are. Have nice day. Here's an idea: try to pick a
fight with one of the right-wing jerkoffs here. There are plenty from
which to choose.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/12/16 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/12/2016 12:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:



Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and
building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me
with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of
skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Are you suggesting that only union trained people are qualified to work
on projects such as these? Are you suggesting that being certified for
"N" code welding requires union training?

If so, you are wrong.




D'uh. Did I say that? No. My comment was about the good skills of
construction craftworkers. The union ones, at least, get while
apprentices a time-tested and worthwhile training program. The non-union
ones, well, there's training for them, too.

No, I'm not wrong. You are. Have nice day. Here's an idea: try to pick a
fight with one of the right-wing jerkoffs here. There are plenty from
which to choose.


There is no reason for you to be so testy. Perhaps your moobs are
acting up again. Try massaging them and see if it
helps.
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11:34 AMKeyser Soze
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Oh, a 12-story one would be fine. Then you could burn it in a bonfire
bluegrass music festival for your area's deplorables.
......

Why would you want to pay to have a 12 story wooden scaffold built for you just to be burnt? That sounds like something government would do..,

On 9/12/16 1:27 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/12/16 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/12/2016 12:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:



Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and
building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me
with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of
skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.

Are you suggesting that only union trained people are qualified to work
on projects such as these? Are you suggesting that being certified for
"N" code welding requires union training?

If so, you are wrong.




D'uh. Did I say that? No. My comment was about the good skills of
construction craftworkers. The union ones, at least, get while
apprentices a time-tested and worthwhile training program. The non-union
ones, well, there's training for them, too.

No, I'm not wrong. You are. Have nice day. Here's an idea: try to pick a
fight with one of the right-wing jerkoffs here. There are plenty from
which to choose.


There is no reason for you to be so testy. Perhaps your moobs are
acting up again. Try massaging them and see if it
helps.


It's nice to know that one of rec.boat's leading right-wing
"deplorables" is still among us.
I hear some of your buds think "deplorable" means "deplortable." Stupid
is as stupid is.

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 12:23:07 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/12/16 12:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.


4 years? My brother was a welder on a nuclear facility. He was a welder
on the nuke plant they built in the Antarctic. He did not spend 4 years
learning to weld pipe. Building a 12 story, or a 50 story building, takes
engineering talent, and lots of training. To bolt, rivet or weld that
frame does not take 4 years to learn. I went to school for 36 weeks to
learn to fix mainframe computer systems for NCR. I got a 4 year degree in
Electronic engineering. That did not require 4 years of 40 hour weeks.



Try reading for content. Apprenticeship programs in the skilled trades
typically run three to four years of classroom and practical training.
I love the attempts here to minimize the skills necessary to build large
or complex structures. Hell, man, you fell off the roof of a house, right?

Here, go argue with the owners of this site:

http://www.constructionskills.org/pages/at.html

Apprentices who enter the construction industry through Construction
Skills attend classes paid for by unions and contractors, while
simultaneously being employed on projects in their craft throughout New
York City.*

NYC? Haha... that has to be the most tightly union controlled place on the planet. When we shipped equipment into the city, we had to have it off-loaded outside the city to a union driven truck for it to be accepted for delivery at the site. I had to point at connection points in a wiring frame so a union guy could connect the test equipment. Then he'd hand it to me so I could run the test, then I'd hand it back to him with instructions on where to connect it next, just because I wasn't allowed to touch the wiring frame. All because "they'd worked hard to secure their jobs, and they were going to protect them", or some such BS. The guy couldn't do my job, but it took him, the steward overlooking us, and me to do what I could do by myself.

I do have to say the guys ran the wiring very neatly. Too bad it was full of wiring errors I had to identify and tell them how to correct.

On 9/12/16 1:34 PM, Tim wrote:
11:34 AMKeyser Soze
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Oh, a 12-story one would be fine. Then you could burn it in a bonfire
bluegrass music festival for your area's deplorables.
.....

Why would you want to pay to have a 12 story wooden scaffold built for you just to be burnt? That sounds like something government would do..,


I didn't say I wanted it. I thought it would be a fine attraction to
burn at *your* next local outdoor camper bluegrass concert for the
deplorables.
I rented a rolling scaffold platform a few months ago to make the job of
painting the walls and ceiling of our garage easier. It's a 12' ceiling
and it was a lot easier and faster to work from a raise-able scaffold
platform than from a ladder.

12:46 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I didn't say I wanted it. I thought it would be a fine attraction to
burn at *your* next local outdoor camper bluegrass concert for the
deplorables.
I rented a rolling scaffold platform a few months ago to make the job of
painting the walls and ceiling of our garage easier. It's a 12' ceiling
and it was a lot easier and faster to work from a raise-able scaffold
platform than from a ladder.
....

I did say how high do you want me to build it "for you". And you told me.

I think it's not that you don't want me to build it, but rather that you don't want to pay for it, especially after its done.

On 9/12/16 1:56 PM, Tim wrote:
12:46 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I didn't say I wanted it. I thought it would be a fine attraction to
burn at *your* next local outdoor camper bluegrass concert for the
deplorables.
I rented a rolling scaffold platform a few months ago to make the job of
painting the walls and ceiling of our garage easier. It's a 12' ceiling
and it was a lot easier and faster to work from a raise-able scaffold
platform than from a ladder.
...

I did say how high do you want me to build it "for you". And you told me.

I think it's not that you don't want me to build it, but rather that you don't want to pay for it, especially after its done.


If I really wanted a big scaffold, Tim, I wouldn't be contacting you for
the job. Mellow out.