Unemployment rate lie
 

http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 2:58 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?


Right, because you can only trust what corporations and churches tell you.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 11:58:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?

I was in the data base analysis biz long enough to know you do not
believe any output until you know what went into that view.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:16:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 2:58 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?


Right, because you can only trust what corporations and churches tell you.

You only trust things you can verify yourself. In the case of the
"unemployment" number. it has always been a self serving government
factoid and every administration manipulates it for the outcome they
desire.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 5:41 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:16:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 2:58 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?


Right, because you can only trust what corporations and churches tell you.

You only trust things you can verify yourself. In the case of the
"unemployment" number. it has always been a self serving government
factoid and every administration manipulates it for the outcome they
desire.



Typically, I view government statistics that interest me "relatively,"
especially the ones under questions because of the inherent vagaries of
data gathering and manipulation.

I cannot verify most of the core beliefs of religions and therefore I
find them untrustworthy. I certainly don't trust most corporations to
tell the truth about anything.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 2:58 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?


Right, because you can only trust what corporations and churches tell you.

Your thought process is amazing Harry, you know that?

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 7:34 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 2:58 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?


Right, because you can only trust what corporations and churches tell you.

Your thought process is amazing Harry, you know that?



Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:44:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Typically, I view government statistics that interest me "relatively,"
especially the ones under questions because of the inherent vagaries of
data gathering and manipulation.

Perhaps back in the olden days when people were using a pencil,
"statistics" was an arcane science but these days it is just data base
analysis. The first rule is garbage in garbage out. You can frame a
"view" to make the data look almost any way you want. In the case of
the unemployment number, the biggest variable is who they consider to
be unemployed. In the current view, that excludes anyone who quit, was
fired with cause, simply refused to apply for unemployment or anyone
who was never able to get a job in the first place. You are pretty
much left with the ones who were laid off, signed up for unemployment
and are still eligible for benefits.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 6:41:50 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 7:34 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 2:58 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?


Right, because you can only trust what corporations and churches tell you.

Your thought process is amazing Harry, you know that?



Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

Well, Harry, the subject was about govt figures now wasn't it? Not Churches or corporations. Wow can you throw a thread to the curb. LOL

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 7:54 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:44:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Typically, I view government statistics that interest me "relatively,"
especially the ones under questions because of the inherent vagaries of
data gathering and manipulation.

Perhaps back in the olden days when people were using a pencil,
"statistics" was an arcane science but these days it is just data base
analysis. The first rule is garbage in garbage out. You can frame a
"view" to make the data look almost any way you want. In the case of
the unemployment number, the biggest variable is who they consider to
be unemployed. In the current view, that excludes anyone who quit, was
fired with cause, simply refused to apply for unemployment or anyone
who was never able to get a job in the first place. You are pretty
much left with the ones who were laid off, signed up for unemployment
and are still eligible for benefits.


You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:41:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

It really depends on what you are talking about. There are plenty of
government agencies going over corporate books and stockholder reports
with a fine tooth comb, When they misrepresent products, the lawyers
are all over them, along with regulatory agencies. You certainly have
to take some advertising with a grain of salt but you know more about
that than us since you live in the belly of the beast.

Churches just preach to the converted so they are not talking to you
in the first place. Why would you care what they say ... unless it
starts middle east wars? You seem to accept those claims as gospel.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 7:55 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 6:41:50 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 7:34 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 2:58 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?


Right, because you can only trust what corporations and churches tell you.

Your thought process is amazing Harry, you know that?



Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

Well, Harry, the subject was about govt figures now wasn't it? Not Churches or corporations. Wow can you throw a thread to the curb. LOL


Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 8:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:41:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

It really depends on what you are talking about. There are plenty of
government agencies going over corporate books and stockholder reports
with a fine tooth comb, When they misrepresent products, the lawyers
are all over them, along with regulatory agencies. You certainly have
to take some advertising with a grain of salt but you know more about
that than us since you live in the belly of the beast.

Churches just preach to the converted so they are not talking to you
in the first place. Why would you care what they say ... unless it
starts middle east wars? You seem to accept those claims as gospel.




If the churches in this country kept their preaching, rule-making,
hate-spewing, and attempted rule-making to themselves and their
followers, I'd ignore them.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.
It is sort of like taking a course in celestial navigation in a GPS
world. It may be interesting (I actually am playing with a sextant and
my Bowditch) but not really that relevant as long as the computers are
still working.

I do understand that statisticians will try to fill the holes in their
data and that will take some training but it is still just an educated
guess. I like hard data.

The classic joke. "What is pi"?

Engineer ... 3.14

Mathematician 3.14159265358979323846264338327950... (until you don't
care anymore)

Statistician "around 3"

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat

Unemployment rate lie
 

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 7:02:04 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/14/16 7:55 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 6:41:50 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 7:34 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 2:58 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/big-lie-rosy-unemployment-rate-489897?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The-Big-Lie-Behind-the-Unemployment-Rate&utm_campaign=newsweek_email_newsletter

http://tinyurl.com/jsquzxz

Not surprising. Greg, when did you ever trust government figures?


Right, because you can only trust what corporations and churches tell you.

Your thought process is amazing Harry, you know that?



Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

Well, Harry, the subject was about govt figures now wasn't it? Not Churches or corporations. Wow can you throw a thread to the curb. LOL


Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.

Maybe that's what you get for thinking. read it again.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 7:02:04 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.

Maybe that's what you get for thinking. read it again.


Not at all.You just have to understand democratism is a religion to
Harry and he has blind faith in everything they say.
He even believes the Clintons who are the Jim and Tammy Faye of
politics.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:03:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

What does that have to do with cooking the books on the unemployment
rate? Is it just the way they learn how to rationalize a bogus number?

Unemployment rate lie
 

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.


I don't remember reading about that Moses story. Can you cite a verse?

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Unemployment rate lie
 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:24:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.


I don't remember reading about that Moses story. Can you cite a verse?

Dunno Ask the eastern Europeans who said they were "promised" that
land in 1946-48. I never believed it and did not try to find a cite.
(probably in Exodus somewhere) Your standing excuse that there have
been Jews there since Moses does not explain why people living in
Europe for the last 1000 years have a claim, simply based on their
"imaginary friend" (your words, not mine). It really gets ridiculous
when Americans or Russians say they have a spot picked out on the West
Bank.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/2016 8:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:41:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

It really depends on what you are talking about. There are plenty of
government agencies going over corporate books and stockholder reports
with a fine tooth comb, When they misrepresent products, the lawyers
are all over them, along with regulatory agencies. You certainly have
to take some advertising with a grain of salt but you know more about
that than us since you live in the belly of the beast.

Churches just preach to the converted so they are not talking to you
in the first place. Why would you care what they say ... unless it
starts middle east wars? You seem to accept those claims as gospel.




If the churches in this country kept their preaching, rule-making,
hate-spewing, and attempted rule-making to themselves and their
followers, I'd ignore them.


I feel the same way about most progressive, liberal Democrats who spew
their "messages" today. Compared to them people like JFK was a
card-carrying Republican.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


I'm glad you cleared that up.I thought you were bragging on yourself for
taking all those courses. We know that you don't have the math or
analytical skills to manage even the simplest household finances.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/2016 9:56 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.

You might be onto something. Do you suppose Krause was brought up Jewish?

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/2016 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.


If you had to guess, by their postings, between Krause and Greg, which
one is the college graduate, I'd bet you'd guess wrong.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/16 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.




I'm impressed by experts who are taught and learn the fundamentals, and
then progressively add more knowledge and experience through disciplined
teaching, study and practice.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/16 7:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 8:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:41:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

It really depends on what you are talking about. There are plenty of
government agencies going over corporate books and stockholder reports
with a fine tooth comb, When they misrepresent products, the lawyers
are all over them, along with regulatory agencies. You certainly have
to take some advertising with a grain of salt but you know more about
that than us since you live in the belly of the beast.

Churches just preach to the converted so they are not talking to you
in the first place. Why would you care what they say ... unless it
starts middle east wars? You seem to accept those claims as gospel.




If the churches in this country kept their preaching, rule-making,
hate-spewing, and attempted rule-making to themselves and their
followers, I'd ignore them.


I feel the same way about most progressive, liberal Democrats who spew
their "messages" today. Compared to them people like JFK was a
card-carrying Republican.



By the same token, compared to your modern-day Republicans, Barry
Goldwater was the paragon of rationality.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 10:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:24:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.


I don't remember reading about that Moses story. Can you cite a verse?

Dunno Ask the eastern Europeans who said they were "promised" that
land in 1946-48. I never believed it and did not try to find a cite.
(probably in Exodus somewhere) Your standing excuse that there have
been Jews there since Moses does not explain why people living in
Europe for the last 1000 years have a claim, simply based on their
"imaginary friend" (your words, not mine). It really gets ridiculous
when Americans or Russians say they have a spot picked out on the West
Bank.



What about those white Europeans who decided they had a claim on the
"new world"?

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/16 8:00 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/15/2016 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.


If you had to guess, by their postings, between Krause and Greg, which
one is the college graduate, I'd bet you'd guess wrong.


If I had to guess who barely got out of high school, I'd guess...you.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 10:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:03:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

What does that have to do with cooking the books on the unemployment
rate? Is it just the way they learn how to rationalize a bogus number?


I was commenting on your "lot of training."

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/2016 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/15/16 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.




I'm impressed by experts who are taught and learn the fundamentals, and
then progressively add more knowledge and experience through disciplined
teaching, study and practice.

When do your experts get to put their gained knowledge to good use?
Probably never.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/14/16 10:03 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 7:02:04 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.

Maybe that's what you get for thinking. read it again.


Not at all.You just have to understand democratism is a religion to
Harry and he has blind faith in everything they say.
He even believes the Clintons who are the Jim and Tammy Faye of
politics.


I certainly believe in democracy, which is not the same thing as
libertarianism.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/2016 8:24 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 10:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:03:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

What does that have to do with cooking the books on the unemployment
rate? Is it just the way they learn how to rationalize a bogus number?


I was commenting on your "lot of training."

Sounded like you were bragging on your wifey.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/16 8:29 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/15/2016 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/15/16 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records,
pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses,
though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.




I'm impressed by experts who are taught and learn the fundamentals, and
then progressively add more knowledge and experience through disciplined
teaching, study and practice.

When do your experts get to put their gained knowledge to good use?
Probably never.


D'oh. The studying, adding of knowledge, and experience gained through
disciplined teaching and practice lasts a lifetime. I'd offer up an
example, but it would just confuse you.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/16 8:33 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/15/2016 8:24 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 10:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:03:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records,
pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses,
though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

What does that have to do with cooking the books on the unemployment
rate? Is it just the way they learn how to rationalize a bogus number?


I was commenting on your "lot of training."

Sounded like you were bragging on your wifey.


I always "brag on my wifey," as she is a terrific woman of superior
academic achievement and professional accomplishment, and has literally
saved many lives in many different ways.

Unemployment rate lie
 

On 8/15/2016 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/15/16 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.




I'm impressed by experts who are taught and learn the fundamentals, and
then progressively add more knowledge and experience through disciplined
teaching, study and practice.

I agree that college is one way to become exposed to the "fundamentals",
but it's certainly not the *only* way .. and after college you are on
your own. My comment was about those who think a degree or degrees
makes one more qualified than anyone else and sit on their laurels all
their lives thinking that the degree is what differentiates them from
others. You seem to fit in that category. Don't you have any
associates or friends you respect for their accomplishments, regardless
of the number of degrees they hold (if any) ?