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Keyser Soze

On 8/15/16 7:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 8:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:41:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

It really depends on what you are talking about. There are plenty of
government agencies going over corporate books and stockholder reports
with a fine tooth comb, When they misrepresent products, the lawyers
are all over them, along with regulatory agencies. You certainly have
to take some advertising with a grain of salt but you know more about
that than us since you live in the belly of the beast.

Churches just preach to the converted so they are not talking to you
in the first place. Why would you care what they say ... unless it
starts middle east wars? You seem to accept those claims as gospel.

If the churches in this country kept their preaching, rule-making,
hate-spewing, and attempted rule-making to themselves and their
followers, I'd ignore them.

I feel the same way about most progressive, liberal Democrats who spew
their "messages" today. Compared to them people like JFK was a
card-carrying Republican.

By the same token, compared to your modern-day Republicans, Barry
Goldwater was the paragon of rationality.

Keyser Soze

On 8/14/16 10:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:24:14 -0400, Keyser SÃ¶ze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser SÃ¶ze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.

You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat

Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.

I don't remember reading about that Moses story. Can you cite a verse?

Dunno Ask the eastern Europeans who said they were "promised" that
land in 1946-48. I never believed it and did not try to find a cite.
(probably in Exodus somewhere) Your standing excuse that there have
been Jews there since Moses does not explain why people living in
Europe for the last 1000 years have a claim, simply based on their
"imaginary friend" (your words, not mine). It really gets ridiculous
when Americans or Russians say they have a spot picked out on the West
Bank.

What about those white Europeans who decided they had a claim on the
"new world"?

Keyser Soze

On 8/15/16 8:00 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/15/2016 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.

Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.

If you had to guess, by their postings, between Krause and Greg, which
one is the college graduate, I'd bet you'd guess wrong.

If I had to guess who barely got out of high school, I'd guess...you.

Keyser Soze

On 8/14/16 10:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:03:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.

Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

What does that have to do with cooking the books on the unemployment
rate? Is it just the way they learn how to rationalize a bogus number?

I was commenting on your "lot of training."

Justan olphart

On 8/15/2016 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/15/16 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.

Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.

I'm impressed by experts who are taught and learn the fundamentals, and
then progressively add more knowledge and experience through disciplined
teaching, study and practice.

When do your experts get to put their gained knowledge to good use?
Probably never.

Keyser Soze

On 8/14/16 10:03 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 7:02:04 PM UTC-5, Keyser SÃ¶ze wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.

Maybe that's what you get for thinking. read it again.

Not at all.You just have to understand democratism is a religion to
Harry and he has blind faith in everything they say.
He even believes the Clintons who are the Jim and Tammy Faye of
politics.

I certainly believe in democracy, which is not the same thing as
libertarianism.

Justan olphart

On 8/15/2016 8:24 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 10:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:03:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.

Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

What does that have to do with cooking the books on the unemployment
rate? Is it just the way they learn how to rationalize a bogus number?

I was commenting on your "lot of training."

Sounded like you were bragging on your wifey.

Keyser Soze

On 8/15/16 8:29 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/15/2016 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/15/16 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records,
pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses,
though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.

Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.

I'm impressed by experts who are taught and learn the fundamentals, and
then progressively add more knowledge and experience through disciplined
teaching, study and practice.

When do your experts get to put their gained knowledge to good use?
Probably never.

D'oh. The studying, adding of knowledge, and experience gained through
disciplined teaching and practice lasts a lifetime. I'd offer up an
example, but it would just confuse you.

Keyser Soze

On 8/15/16 8:33 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/15/2016 8:24 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 10:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:03:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records,
pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses,
though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.

Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

What does that have to do with cooking the books on the unemployment
rate? Is it just the way they learn how to rationalize a bogus number?

I was commenting on your "lot of training."

Sounded like you were bragging on your wifey.

I always "brag on my wifey," as she is a terrific woman of superior
academic achievement and professional accomplishment, and has literally
saved many lives in many different ways.

Mr. Luddite

On 8/15/2016 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/15/16 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.

Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.

I'm impressed by experts who are taught and learn the fundamentals, and
then progressively add more knowledge and experience through disciplined
teaching, study and practice.

I agree that college is one way to become exposed to the "fundamentals",
but it's certainly not the *only* way .. and after college you are on
your own. My comment was about those who think a degree or degrees
makes one more qualified than anyone else and sit on their laurels all
their lives thinking that the degree is what differentiates them from
others. You seem to fit in that category. Don't you have any
associates or friends you respect for their accomplishments, regardless
of the number of degrees they hold (if any) ?

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