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Poquito Loco July 18th 16 09:26 PM

YTD rodent count
 
Since April my humane trapping method has yielded six chipmunks, four squirrels, and one peanut
butter loving cowbird. Except for one chipmunk, they were all released without harm. The chipmunks
get a long ride first, and then they must find a new home in the woods. The squirrels and the
cowbird get released immediately. My lovely wife won't let me dress and freeze the squirrels. Don't
know why.

The one chipmunk get caught when I was away for the weekend. Usually I'll 'unset' the trap, but the
mind is getting worse every year.

I'm thinking in another 20-25 years it will have deteriorated to Donnie's level.

[email protected] July 18th 16 10:12 PM

YTD rodent count
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:26:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Since April my humane trapping method has yielded six chipmunks, four squirrels, and one peanut
butter loving cowbird. Except for one chipmunk, they were all released without harm. The chipmunks
get a long ride first, and then they must find a new home in the woods. The squirrels and the
cowbird get released immediately. My lovely wife won't let me dress and freeze the squirrels. Don't
know why.

The one chipmunk get caught when I was away for the weekend. Usually I'll 'unset' the trap, but the
mind is getting worse every year.

I'm thinking in another 20-25 years it will have deteriorated to Donnie's level.


Why are you trapping them in the first place?

The only thing I ever tried to trap was cats and I ended up getting
possums and raccoons. I gave up. No animals were harmed but one of the
possums was trying to set up housekeeping in the trap. I was just
tired of feeding him.
The cat I was trying to get tangled with something bigger, probably a
bobcat and he was shredded in the front yard.

True North[_2_] July 18th 16 10:46 PM

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- show quoted text -
"Why are you trapping them in the first place?

The only thing I ever tried to trap was cats and I ended up getting
possums and raccoons. I gave up. No animals were harmed but one of the
possums was trying to set up housekeeping in the trap. I was just
tired of feeding him.
The cat I was trying to get tangled with something bigger, probably a
bobcat and he was shredded in the front yard."


Good question. The John must be hoping his wife won't notice the squirrels and he can sneak a quick snack...probably raw.
I doubt he'd even notice the fur.
Wife bought and set a live trap for a Norway rat that appeared in the neighbourhood but only caught a couple of Crackles.
Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Poquito Loco July 18th 16 11:34 PM

YTD rodent count
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:12:56 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:26:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Since April my humane trapping method has yielded six chipmunks, four squirrels, and one peanut
butter loving cowbird. Except for one chipmunk, they were all released without harm. The chipmunks
get a long ride first, and then they must find a new home in the woods. The squirrels and the
cowbird get released immediately. My lovely wife won't let me dress and freeze the squirrels. Don't
know why.

The one chipmunk get caught when I was away for the weekend. Usually I'll 'unset' the trap, but the
mind is getting worse every year.

I'm thinking in another 20-25 years it will have deteriorated to Donnie's level.


Why are you trapping them in the first place?

The only thing I ever tried to trap was cats and I ended up getting
possums and raccoons. I gave up. No animals were harmed but one of the
possums was trying to set up housekeeping in the trap. I was just
tired of feeding him.
The cat I was trying to get tangled with something bigger, probably a
bobcat and he was shredded in the front yard.


The tunnels they make along the foundation are not welcome.

[email protected] July 19th 16 02:09 AM

YTD rodent count
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.


Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.

[email protected] July 19th 16 02:15 AM

YTD rodent count
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:34:00 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:12:56 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:26:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Since April my humane trapping method has yielded six chipmunks, four squirrels, and one peanut
butter loving cowbird. Except for one chipmunk, they were all released without harm. The chipmunks
get a long ride first, and then they must find a new home in the woods. The squirrels and the
cowbird get released immediately. My lovely wife won't let me dress and freeze the squirrels. Don't
know why.

The one chipmunk get caught when I was away for the weekend. Usually I'll 'unset' the trap, but the
mind is getting worse every year.

I'm thinking in another 20-25 years it will have deteriorated to Donnie's level.


Why are you trapping them in the first place?

The only thing I ever tried to trap was cats and I ended up getting
possums and raccoons. I gave up. No animals were harmed but one of the
possums was trying to set up housekeeping in the trap. I was just
tired of feeding him.
The cat I was trying to get tangled with something bigger, probably a
bobcat and he was shredded in the front yard.


The tunnels they make along the foundation are not welcome.


The best you can hope for with any rodents is to slow them down. You
do have to be careful and not trade a fairly benign rodent for a far
more destructive one. When you get rid of everything else, rats will
fill the void. That is usually caused by uncontrolled feral cats.

Poquito Loco July 19th 16 02:23 AM

YTD rodent count
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:09:15 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.


Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


You're right about his friends. In the past two years I've caught 17 of the little *******s. But,
that's 17 that aren't digging tunnels alongside the foundation.

Poquito Loco July 19th 16 02:25 AM

YTD rodent count
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:15:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:34:00 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:12:56 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:26:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Since April my humane trapping method has yielded six chipmunks, four squirrels, and one peanut
butter loving cowbird. Except for one chipmunk, they were all released without harm. The chipmunks
get a long ride first, and then they must find a new home in the woods. The squirrels and the
cowbird get released immediately. My lovely wife won't let me dress and freeze the squirrels. Don't
know why.

The one chipmunk get caught when I was away for the weekend. Usually I'll 'unset' the trap, but the
mind is getting worse every year.

I'm thinking in another 20-25 years it will have deteriorated to Donnie's level.

Why are you trapping them in the first place?

The only thing I ever tried to trap was cats and I ended up getting
possums and raccoons. I gave up. No animals were harmed but one of the
possums was trying to set up housekeeping in the trap. I was just
tired of feeding him.
The cat I was trying to get tangled with something bigger, probably a
bobcat and he was shredded in the front yard.


The tunnels they make along the foundation are not welcome.


The best you can hope for with any rodents is to slow them down. You
do have to be careful and not trade a fairly benign rodent for a far
more destructive one. When you get rid of everything else, rats will
fill the void. That is usually caused by uncontrolled feral cats.


Haven't had a rat in several years now. We do put out the rat stations and have a pest guy come by,
but all he's finding in the stations is mouse ****. I wonder why the damn chipmunks won't eat rat
poison. Maybe I should put some Jiffy Super Crunch on it.

Tim July 19th 16 03:56 AM

YTD rodent count
 
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.


Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.

[email protected] July 19th 16 04:53 AM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.


Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years.

Tim July 19th 16 05:39 AM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:53:52 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years.


Greg I might be mistaken but that almost sounds like termites.

[email protected] July 19th 16 06:49 AM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:39:54 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:53:52 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.

On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years.


Greg I might be mistaken but that almost sounds like termites.


No they are certainly ants. I wound get you a picture but I can't find
one right now. Maybe the last pass of bifen has slowed them down for a
while. I hit them pretty hard this evening.

Poquito Loco July 19th 16 11:33 AM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:53:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years.


The pest guys we have spray a product which does not kill the ants immediately. It's designed to be
tracked back to the nest where it does its job. Don't know how. But, it works.

True North[_2_] July 19th 16 12:46 PM

was rident, now ants.
 

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.

Its Me July 19th 16 01:46 PM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.


Ortho Orthene is the best stuff I've found for killing fire ants. Don't know if you can get it up there. Unlike the stuff like Amdro, it doesn't even warn you to not disturb the mound when you apply. But we're not infested, just have an occasional mound pop up. I don't think they like our heavy clay soil.

[email protected] July 19th 16 04:59 PM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:46:07 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:


On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.


My ant problems started when I killed all the fire ants. They were
holding down the rest of them and they stayed outside., The ants that
replaced them come inside.

[email protected] July 19th 16 05:11 PM

was rodent, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.


Ortho Orthene is the best stuff I've found for killing fire ants. Don't know if you can get it up there. Unlike the stuff like Amdro, it doesn't even warn you to not disturb the mound when you apply. But we're not infested, just have an occasional mound pop up. I don't think they like our heavy clay soil.


Orthene was what I used on the fire ants here but the ants I have now
don't have mounds to treat. I think they live under concrete slabs and
just pop up through any available penetration or crack. I never see a
mound and treating the edges and penetrations just moves them around.
I am using bifen now, based on advice from the home repair NG.
Lambda-Cyhalothrin based stuff was pretty good but I guess somebody
decided it was too good because HD/Lowes doesn't sell it anymore here.

justan July 19th 16 05:24 PM

YTD rodent count
 
Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.


Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.
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justan July 19th 16 05:27 PM

was rident, now ants.
 
Wrote in message:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years.


Terro borax drops for the tiny ants. One or two drops in their
pathway and they are gone.
--
x


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justan July 19th 16 05:30 PM

was rident, now ants.
 
True North Wrote in message:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.


Florida fire ants in Kanada? They must have lost their way.
--
x


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Califbill July 19th 16 05:46 PM

was rodent, now ants.
 
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that
critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last
dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The
experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container
pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.


Ortho Orthene is the best stuff I've found for killing fire ants. Don't
know if you can get it up there. Unlike the stuff like Amdro, it
doesn't even warn you to not disturb the mound when you apply. But
we're not infested, just have an occasional mound pop up. I don't think
they like our heavy clay soil.


Orthene was what I used on the fire ants here but the ants I have now
don't have mounds to treat. I think they live under concrete slabs and
just pop up through any available penetration or crack. I never see a
mound and treating the edges and penetrations just moves them around.
I am using bifen now, based on advice from the home repair NG.
Lambda-Cyhalothrin based stuff was pretty good but I guess somebody
decided it was too good because HD/Lowes doesn't sell it anymore here.


Sort of like Clordane. Sprayed the foundation of my first house in 1969
and when we left 10 years later, we still had not had an ant invasion.
Here, we have Argentine ants mostly. Years ago, before them, the ants self
limited somewhat as one ant hill, would attack another colony. They figure
Argentine's are a single colony as the DNA is the same. Terro seems to
work on them.


Califbill July 19th 16 05:46 PM

YTD rodent count
 
justan wrote:
Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning
immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.


We had snap mouse traps and they tripped and no mouse. Went to rat trap
and was a roof rat, that was to big for the mouse trap.


Its Me July 19th 16 05:55 PM

was rodent, now ants.
 
On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 12:46:16 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that
critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last
dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The
experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container
pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.

Ortho Orthene is the best stuff I've found for killing fire ants. Don't
know if you can get it up there. Unlike the stuff like Amdro, it
doesn't even warn you to not disturb the mound when you apply. But
we're not infested, just have an occasional mound pop up. I don't think
they like our heavy clay soil.


Orthene was what I used on the fire ants here but the ants I have now
don't have mounds to treat. I think they live under concrete slabs and
just pop up through any available penetration or crack. I never see a
mound and treating the edges and penetrations just moves them around.
I am using bifen now, based on advice from the home repair NG.
Lambda-Cyhalothrin based stuff was pretty good but I guess somebody
decided it was too good because HD/Lowes doesn't sell it anymore here.


Sort of like Clordane. Sprayed the foundation of my first house in 1969
and when we left 10 years later, we still had not had an ant invasion.
Here, we have Argentine ants mostly. Years ago, before them, the ants self
limited somewhat as one ant hill, would attack another colony. They figure
Argentine's are a single colony as the DNA is the same. Terro seems to
work on them.


I still have about 1/2 gallon of Clordane. Nasty stuff, but it works.

Tim July 19th 16 07:04 PM

YTD rodent count
 
11:24 AMjustan
Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North

- hide quoted text -
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.


Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.
--
very true, but that's one at a time . I want murder by the masses.

Besides, the old saying is true. " the early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese..."

[email protected] July 19th 16 09:16 PM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.

On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years.


Terro borax drops for the tiny ants. One or two drops in their
pathway and they are gone.


That only works if they eat it and these guys do not eat sugar

[email protected] July 19th 16 09:18 PM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Florida fire ants in Kanada? They must have lost their way.


They just hitch hiked home with the millions of Canadians who come
here every winter, probably on the pads of their Winnebago

Poquito Loco July 19th 16 09:28 PM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:18:08 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Florida fire ants in Kanada? They must have lost their way.


They just hitch hiked home with the millions of Canadians who come
here every winter, probably on the pads of their Winnebago


We spray our pads and tires whenever camping or storing.

[email protected] July 19th 16 09:29 PM

was rodent, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:46:10 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Terro seems to
work on them.


Any bait, will only work as long as they eat it. These guys are so far
past anything in a commercial bait, it is totally useless.
I can kill them if I can just figure out what they will eat.
They got so selective that they would only eat dog food that the dog
had chewed on. I baited with that and now those ants are gone. More
came back and they won't eat that.
I did find them feeding on a dirty dinner plate but I could not figure
out what they liked. I tried to duplicate it and ... nothing.
We are finding out here in Florida that most things people "know"
about ants, may not be true. Other colonies will take in "orphan"
ants. Some colonies have multiple queens and they have multiple,
different, food streams. If one group dies, the others will not eat
that food. This place is the perfect laboratory for ants. It is a 12
month season, the ground is perfect for tunneling and we have a big
influx of exotic species.


Poquito Loco July 19th 16 09:29 PM

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:11:53 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.


Ortho Orthene is the best stuff I've found for killing fire ants. Don't know if you can get it up there. Unlike the stuff like Amdro, it doesn't even warn you to not disturb the mound when you apply. But we're not infested, just have an occasional mound pop up. I don't think they like our heavy clay soil.


Orthene was what I used on the fire ants here but the ants I have now
don't have mounds to treat. I think they live under concrete slabs and
just pop up through any available penetration or crack. I never see a
mound and treating the edges and penetrations just moves them around.
I am using bifen now, based on advice from the home repair NG.
Lambda-Cyhalothrin based stuff was pretty good but I guess somebody
decided it was too good because HD/Lowes doesn't sell it anymore here.


Amazon does.

https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb...da-Cyhalothrin


Poquito Loco July 19th 16 09:31 PM

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:24:10 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.


I haven't tried those for the chipmunks yet. Might give it a shot. Probably do a job on squirrels
though...and the damn cowbirds.

[email protected] July 19th 16 09:32 PM

was rodent, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:55:11 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:


I still have about 1/2 gallon of Clordane. Nasty stuff, but it works.


Me to but I am not squirting it around for stuff like this.
It is best in places where you are sure it will be sequestered for 30
years. The last time I used it was inside a wall that would be closed
up.

Poquito Loco July 19th 16 09:32 PM

YTD rodent count
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:04:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

11:24 AMjustan
Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North

- hide quoted text -
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.


I'm thinking I need a Mini-14 so I can sit on the front porch and plink chipmunks.

[email protected] July 19th 16 09:35 PM

YTD rodent count
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:46:11 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


There's no immunity from a snap trap.


We had snap mouse traps and they tripped and no mouse. Went to rat trap
and was a roof rat, that was to big for the mouse trap.


I tried them and never caught a roof rat.
I had a lot better luck with the glue traps and this live trap was
very good.

http://gfretwell.com/wildlife/rattus_rattus.jpg

justan July 19th 16 10:49 PM

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Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Florida fire ants in Kanada? They must have lost their way.


They just hitch hiked home with the millions of Canadians who come
here every winter, probably on the pads of their Winnebago


The ants look for a dark untouched safe place like a kanuck wallet.
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justan July 19th 16 10:55 PM

YTD rodent count
 
Tim Wrote in message:
11:24 AMjustan
Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North

- hide quoted text -
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.


On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.
--
very true, but that's one at a time . I want murder by the masses.

Besides, the old saying is true. " the early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese..."


One got into the storage compartment of my camper. Aftter seeing
evidence I set a trap baited with peanut butter. Got the sucker
within 12 hrs. Had no evidence thereafter. One rat can do a lot
of damage if given enough time.
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True North[_2_] July 19th 16 11:06 PM

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justan
Wrote in message:
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"The ants look for a dark untouched safe place like Â*a kanuck wallet."


Canadians are some of the most generous compassionate people on earth.
We brought in 25,000 Syrians displaced by the fighting over there.
That would be the equivalent of y'all bringing in a quarter million.
So...just how many did you bring in?

Keyser Söze July 19th 16 11:45 PM

was rident, now ants.
 
True North wrote:
justan
Wrote in message:
- show quoted text -
"The ants look for a dark untouched safe place like Â*a kanuck wallet."


Canadians are some of the most generous compassionate people on earth.
We brought in 25,000 Syrians displaced by the fighting over there.
That would be the equivalent of y'all bringing in a quarter million.
So...just how many did you bring in?


Justin brings in roaches...

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justan July 20th 16 12:41 AM

was rident, now ants.
 
True North Wrote in message:
justan
Wrote in message:
- show quoted text -
"The ants look for a dark untouched safe place like a kanuck wallet."


Canadians are some of the most generous compassionate people on earth.
We brought in 25,000 Syrians displaced by the fighting over there.
That would be the equivalent of y'all bringing in a quarter million.
So...just how many did you bring in?


Do we need to build a northern fense too? Looks like it.
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[email protected] July 20th 16 01:47 AM

was rident, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:06:26 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

justan
Wrote in message:
- show quoted text -
"The ants look for a dark untouched safe place like Â*a kanuck wallet."


Canadians are some of the most generous compassionate people on earth.
We brought in 25,000 Syrians displaced by the fighting over there.
That would be the equivalent of y'all bringing in a quarter million.
So...just how many did you bring in?


We took in 15 million Hispanics but as my Ontario friend says, we
always did get first choice.

[email protected] July 20th 16 01:52 AM

was rodent, now ants.
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:29:57 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:11:53 -0400, wrote:



..

Orthene was what I used on the fire ants here but the ants I have now
don't have mounds to treat. I think they live under concrete slabs and
just pop up through any available penetration or crack. I never see a
mound and treating the edges and penetrations just moves them around.
I am using bifen now, based on advice from the home repair NG.
Lambda-Cyhalothrin based stuff was pretty good but I guess somebody
decided it was too good because HD/Lowes doesn't sell it anymore here.


Amazon does.

https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb...da-Cyhalothrin

The boys over on Home Repair swear bifen is the stuff I want so I am
giving it a shot.


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