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Keyser Söze July 12th 16 04:56 PM

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On 7/12/16 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:32:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.



As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from
creating more division.


Anyone who says they will bring back those old UAW jobs where people
will be making $70k for a "monkey see monkey do" job is lying. It may
happen but store brand bread will be $5-6 a loaf because the dollar
has fallen.



Basically, you've given up on an America that works for the middle class
and the poor. Whatever the questions may be, the answers are *not* to be
found in libertarianism.


[email protected] July 12th 16 05:13 PM

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:08:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor
countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly
were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap
labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera.

I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at
least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to
the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing
cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000.

That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to
manufacture.


Even using 1980 profit margins, a $1350 American made product (at the
factory dock) would be $5000 or more by the time it got to your door.
I am not sure what you call "pure" profit but that money gets spread
from the trucker in Korea, through the owner of the ship and all of
the people who touch it once it gets here. The best kept secret in
Detroit has always been "how much does it cost to make a car" but the
best guesses were around a third of what it sold for.
I know that way back in the "happy days" 50s, we were good friends
with the regional manager of People's drug and the typical cost of
goods coming into the stores was 40% of the retail price. Our flower
store operated on much a higher margin than that, before labor and we
were not really making much money doing it. Liberals do not seem to
have a clue about "overhead" but that is great when you are selling a
business to one.

[email protected] July 12th 16 05:23 PM

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:18:57 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:


The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor
countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly
were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap
labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera.

I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at
least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to
the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing
cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000.

That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to
manufacture.




I just bought a new Whirlpool. Where was it made?


Not in Korea. ;-)

[email protected] July 12th 16 05:43 PM

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:56:30 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/12/16 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:32:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.


As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from
creating more division.


Anyone who says they will bring back those old UAW jobs where people
will be making $70k for a "monkey see monkey do" job is lying. It may
happen but store brand bread will be $5-6 a loaf because the dollar
has fallen.



Basically, you've given up on an America that works for the middle class
and the poor. Whatever the questions may be, the answers are *not* to be
found in libertarianism.


We know for sure it is not coming from the Ds and Rs. We have 30 years
worth of experience.
Bear in mind, the last time the middle class was strong was during the
Nixon administration and your people assassinated him.

Its Me July 12th 16 06:59 PM

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On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:08:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor
countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly
were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap
labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera.

I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at
least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to
the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing
cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000.


Alex[_9_] July 13th 16 12:34 AM

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/16 9:01 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious,
hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.


Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and
die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then
people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods.



The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor
countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly
were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the
cheap labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera.

I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces
at least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits
to the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual
manufacturing cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is
well under $1000.

That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to
manufacture.



How did you arrive at those numbers? A wild guess?


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