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According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal — so liberal that “the hostility of young Americans to the underpinnings of the American economy and the American government” should “frighten every business and political leader” and “excite activists for Sanders and, to a lesser degree, Clinton activists.” Luntz’s poll found that young Americans are optimistic about both the country’s future and their own: 61 percent say the best days of the United States are still ahead of us rather than behind us, and 88 percent are somewhat, very, or extremely optimistic about their economic prospects. But they have concerns, too. Their biggest, in order, are “corruption,” “greed,” and “inequality.” They aren’t nationalistic: 58 percent of respondents said they agreed more with the statement “America isn’t better or worse than most other countries” than with “America is exceptional. It’s better than every other country in the world.” In fact, 35 percent of 18- to 26-year-olds, including 42 percent of 18- to 21-year-olds, said they considered themselves more a citizen of the world than of the U.S. In response to the question, “Which type of political system do you think is the most compassionate?”, 58 percent said socialism and 9 percent said communism. Just 33 percent chose capitalism. Sixty-six percent of the poll’s respondents said corporate America “embodies everything that is wrong about America.” Finally, more young Americans declared that the “most pressing issue facing America today” is income inequality than anything else. Income inequality was followed by education — specifically its cost. Respondents said they most respect nurses and doctors, followed by teachers and soldiers. The least-respected professions are bankers (2 percent), real estate agents (2 percent), elected officials (4 percent), and business leaders (6 percent). Wisely, just 7 percent of young Americans respect journalists. The poll, conducted February 11 to 14, surveyed 1,000 18- to 26-year-olds. ++++++++++ Tick-tock. |
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Maybe he was thinking of these "18-26 young liberals" optimistically changing the economy
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: ...for whom the bell tolls: According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids are still living with their parents. http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they might become a little more fiscally responsible. The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the 60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and lifestyle. |
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On 7/11/16 12:45 PM, Tim wrote:
Maybe he was thinking of these "18-26 young liberals" optimistically changing the economy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaXKvo1Hx4M Oh, *you* think they are liberals. I posit you do not know what a liberal is. |
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Maybe he was thinking of these "18-26 young liberals" optimistically changing the economy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaXKvo1Hx4M Those 18 to 26ers will be 28 to 36ers before they even begin to think about leaving mom and dad's nest. x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...for whom the bell tolls: According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids are still living with their parents. http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they might become a little more fiscally responsible. The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the 60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and lifestyle. Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of government and set everyone out on their own for everything. News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now. The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after them to get it. We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from the White House) Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII. The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the US actually balanced it's books. Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just print the money we need. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:44:54 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
Tim Wrote in message: Maybe he was thinking of these "18-26 young liberals" optimistically changing the economy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaXKvo1Hx4M Those 18 to 26ers will be 28 to 36ers before they even begin to think about leaving mom and dad's nest. They are just waiting for mom and dad to die and leave them the nest. Hope they didn't have too much debt themselves. I hope they don't hear Fred Thompson talking about reverse mortgages. |
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1:22 PMKeyser Söze On 7/11/16 12:45 PM, Tim wrote: Maybe he was thinking of these "18-26 young liberals" optimistically changing the economy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaXKvo1Hx4M Oh, *you* think they are liberals. I posit you do not know what a liberal is. ..... I could be wrong but if any of them vote at all I doubt if it's conservative... |
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On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...for whom the bell tolls: According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids are still living with their parents. http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they might become a little more fiscally responsible. The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the 60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and lifestyle. Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of government and set everyone out on their own for everything. News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now. The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after them to get it. We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from the White House) Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII. The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the US actually balanced it's books. Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just print the money we need. As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it. |
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On 7/11/16 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
1:22 PMKeyser Söze On 7/11/16 12:45 PM, Tim wrote: Maybe he was thinking of these "18-26 young liberals" optimistically changing the economy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaXKvo1Hx4M Oh, *you* think they are liberals. I posit you do not know what a liberal is. .... I could be wrong but if any of them vote at all I doubt if it's conservative... That doesn't make them liberals...it just means when it comes to voting, they aren't insane. |
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- show quoted text - That doesn't make them liberals...it just means when it comes to voting, they aren't insane. ...... Probably who butters the bread is more like it... |
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3:35 PMKeyser Söze - show quoted text - That doesn't make them liberals...it just means when it comes to voting, they aren't insane. ..... Probably who butters the bread is more like it... I oh sure -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...for whom the bell tolls: According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids are still living with their parents. http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they might become a little more fiscally responsible. The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the 60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and lifestyle. Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of government and set everyone out on their own for everything. News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now. The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after them to get it. We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from the White House) Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII. The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the US actually balanced it's books. Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just print the money we need. As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it. Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing. She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like. I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from under the middle class, the president was named Clinton. When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial regulation, a Clinton was the president. Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this. The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations? |
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On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...for whom the bell tolls: According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids are still living with their parents. http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they might become a little more fiscally responsible. The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the 60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and lifestyle. Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of government and set everyone out on their own for everything. News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now. The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after them to get it. We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from the White House) Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII. The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the US actually balanced it's books. Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just print the money we need. As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it. Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing. She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like. I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from under the middle class, the president was named Clinton. When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial regulation, a Clinton was the president. Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this. The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations? Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...for whom the bell tolls: According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids are still living with their parents. http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they might become a little more fiscally responsible. The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the 60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and lifestyle. Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of government and set everyone out on their own for everything. News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now. The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after them to get it. We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from the White House) Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII. The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the US actually balanced it's books. Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just print the money we need. As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it. YOU positing about taxes is hilarious. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:54:59 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote: Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS. I have said before, I am starting to believe Trump is working for Hillary. It is the only way someone with her unfavorable could even be considered as a contender. My wife says this slate of candidates is making Romney look good. Did you see the Washington Post/ABC poll? 55% of Americans think Comey should have pursued charges from the DoJ. I guess the best we can say is nothing will change when she is elected. Congress will still be grid locked, the country will remain divided, worse than it is now but there will be a whole lot more grist for the impeachment mill. I guess the country will have to hit rock bottom before we finally decide the system is not working. I just hope the republic survives. |
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On 7/12/16 2:33 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:54:59 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote: Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS. I have said before, I am starting to believe Trump is working for Hillary. It is the only way someone with her unfavorable could even be considered as a contender. My wife says this slate of candidates is making Romney look good. Did you see the Washington Post/ABC poll? 55% of Americans think Comey should have pursued charges from the DoJ. I guess the best we can say is nothing will change when she is elected. Congress will still be grid locked, the country will remain divided, worse than it is now but there will be a whole lot more grist for the impeachment mill. I guess the country will have to hit rock bottom before we finally decide the system is not working. I just hope the republic survives. Oh, there is little doubt the Repugnants in the House would try to impeach Hillary on the flimsiest of excuses, whatever they are. And they'll have the same impact they had on Bill, politically...she'll be re-elected. And if the Dems retake control of the U.S. Senate? I don't think Trump works for anyone but Trump. As bad as some might think Hillary is, to use that as an excuse to vote for Trump is the very definition of stupidity, since Trump is absolutely, completely unsuitable and intellectually lazy and incompetent. If I were a Repugnant and faced with a vote for Trump, I'd either not vote, vote for Hillary, or write in a name. |
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On 7/12/16 2:33 AM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:54:59 -0400, Keyser Sze wrote: On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote: Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS. I have said before, I am starting to believe Trump is working for Hillary. It is the only way someone with her unfavorable could even be considered as a contender. My wife says this slate of candidates is making Romney look good. Did you see the Washington Post/ABC poll? 55% of Americans think Comey should have pursued charges from the DoJ. I guess the best we can say is nothing will change when she is elected. Congress will still be grid locked, the country will remain divided, worse than it is now but there will be a whole lot more grist for the impeachment mill. I guess the country will have to hit rock bottom before we finally decide the system is not working. I just hope the republic survives. Oh, there is little doubt the Repugnants in the House would try to impeach Hillary on the flimsiest of excuses, whatever they are. And they'll have the same impact they had on Bill, politically...she'll be re-elected. And if the Dems retake control of the U.S. Senate? I don't think Trump works for anyone but Trump. As bad as some might think Hillary is, to use that as an excuse to vote for Trump is the very definition of stupidity, since Trump is absolutely, completely unsuitable and intellectually lazy and incompetent. If I were a Repugnant and faced with a vote for Trump, I'd either not vote, vote for Hillary, or write in a name. What name will you write in? Hillary seems to be falling out of favor with you and I can say that I dont blame you a bit. -- x |
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On 7/12/16 7:22 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Sze Wrote in message: On 7/12/16 2:33 AM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:54:59 -0400, Keyser Sze wrote: On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote: Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS. I have said before, I am starting to believe Trump is working for Hillary. It is the only way someone with her unfavorable could even be considered as a contender. My wife says this slate of candidates is making Romney look good. Did you see the Washington Post/ABC poll? 55% of Americans think Comey should have pursued charges from the DoJ. I guess the best we can say is nothing will change when she is elected. Congress will still be grid locked, the country will remain divided, worse than it is now but there will be a whole lot more grist for the impeachment mill. I guess the country will have to hit rock bottom before we finally decide the system is not working. I just hope the republic survives. Oh, there is little doubt the Repugnants in the House would try to impeach Hillary on the flimsiest of excuses, whatever they are. And they'll have the same impact they had on Bill, politically...she'll be re-elected. And if the Dems retake control of the U.S. Senate? I don't think Trump works for anyone but Trump. As bad as some might think Hillary is, to use that as an excuse to vote for Trump is the very definition of stupidity, since Trump is absolutely, completely unsuitable and intellectually lazy and incompetent. If I were a Repugnant and faced with a vote for Trump, I'd either not vote, vote for Hillary, or write in a name. What name will you write in? Hillary seems to be falling out of favor with you and I can say that I dont blame you a bit. Hillary is not falling out of favor with me. |
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On 7/11/2016 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...for whom the bell tolls: According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids are still living with their parents. http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they might become a little more fiscally responsible. The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the 60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and lifestyle. Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of government and set everyone out on their own for everything. News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now. The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after them to get it. We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from the White House) Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII. The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the US actually balanced it's books. Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just print the money we need. As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it. Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing. She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like. I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from under the middle class, the president was named Clinton. When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial regulation, a Clinton was the president. Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this. The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations? Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small, struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery. He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving opportunities for the middle class." I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them. |
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On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2016 7:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...for whom the bell tolls: According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids are still living with their parents. http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they might become a little more fiscally responsible. The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the 60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and lifestyle. Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of government and set everyone out on their own for everything. News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now. The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after them to get it. We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from the White House) Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII. The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the US actually balanced it's books. Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just print the money we need. As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it. Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing. She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like. I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from under the middle class, the president was named Clinton. When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial regulation, a Clinton was the president. Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this. The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations? Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small, struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery. He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving opportunities for the middle class." I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them. As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from creating more division. |
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On 7/12/16 9:01 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small, struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery. He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving opportunities for the middle class." I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them. Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods. The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera. I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000. That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to manufacture. |
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On 7/12/16 9:01 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small, struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery. He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving opportunities for the middle class." I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them. Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods. The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera. I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000. That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to manufacture. I just bought a new Whirlpool. Where was it made? -- x |
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It used to be made in Evansville Indiana. Now the Whirlpool plant is a chino-Indonesian warehouse.
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On 7/12/16 9:18 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Sze Wrote in message: On 7/12/16 9:01 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small, struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery. He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving opportunities for the middle class." I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them. Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods. The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera. I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000. That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to manufacture. I just bought a new Whirlpool. Where was it made? Don't know, but I'd guess a country where workers are exploited, the environment is ignored...the usual. Maybe somewhere in Asia, India, or perhaps Mexico. |
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On 7/12/16 9:53 AM, Tim wrote:
It used to be made in Evansville Indiana. Now the Whirlpool plant is a chino-Indonesian warehouse. Yeah...maybe manufactured in China or some other place where labor is cheap. |
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9:18 AMKeyser Söze
On 7/12/16 9:53 AM, Tim wrote: It used to be made in Evansville Indiana. Now the Whirlpool plant is a chino-Indonesian warehouse. Yeah...maybe manufactured in China or some other place where labor is cheap. --- Oh the brand IS overseas and that's what you get...cheap.... Products used to be made to work, now they're priced to sell... That's a problem I see with ALL executive politicians and they're wannabes .. They promise American jobs but it doesn't happen. Trump Bernie and Hillary are no exceptions. The jobless rate percentages keeps climbing regardless how you stack em. |
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:32:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small, struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery. He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving opportunities for the middle class." I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them. As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from creating more division. Anyone who says they will bring back those old UAW jobs where people will be making $70k for a "monkey see monkey do" job is lying. It may happen but store brand bread will be $5-6 a loaf because the dollar has fallen. |
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:08:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera. I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000. That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to manufacture. Even using 1980 profit margins, a $1350 American made product (at the factory dock) would be $5000 or more by the time it got to your door. I am not sure what you call "pure" profit but that money gets spread from the trucker in Korea, through the owner of the ship and all of the people who touch it once it gets here. The best kept secret in Detroit has always been "how much does it cost to make a car" but the best guesses were around a third of what it sold for. I know that way back in the "happy days" 50s, we were good friends with the regional manager of People's drug and the typical cost of goods coming into the stores was 40% of the retail price. Our flower store operated on much a higher margin than that, before labor and we were not really making much money doing it. Liberals do not seem to have a clue about "overhead" but that is great when you are selling a business to one. |
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:18:57 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message: The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera. I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000. That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to manufacture. I just bought a new Whirlpool. Where was it made? Not in Korea. ;-) |
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:56:30 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 7/12/16 11:33 AM, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:32:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small, struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery. He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving opportunities for the middle class." I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them. As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from creating more division. Anyone who says they will bring back those old UAW jobs where people will be making $70k for a "monkey see monkey do" job is lying. It may happen but store brand bread will be $5-6 a loaf because the dollar has fallen. Basically, you've given up on an America that works for the middle class and the poor. Whatever the questions may be, the answers are *not* to be found in libertarianism. We know for sure it is not coming from the Ds and Rs. We have 30 years worth of experience. Bear in mind, the last time the middle class was strong was during the Nixon administration and your people assassinated him. |
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On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:08:08 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera. I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000. |
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Keyser Sze wrote:
On 7/12/16 9:01 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small, struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery. He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving opportunities for the middle class." I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them. Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods. The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera. I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000. That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to manufacture. How did you arrive at those numbers? A wild guess? |
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