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On 7/11/2016 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...for whom the bell tolls:


According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz,
Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal

Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they
believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids
are still living with their parents.
http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd

Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they
might become a little more fiscally responsible.

The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the
60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and
lifestyle.


Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of
government and set everyone out on their own for everything.

News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now.
The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after
them to get it.
We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from
the White House)
Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII.
The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was
redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability
to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The
world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had
the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the
US actually balanced it's books.
Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just
print the money we need.


As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our
society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at
decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise
taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax
breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start
drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions
of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it.

Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing.
She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like.
I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from
under the middle class, the president was named Clinton.
When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet
mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that
exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the
president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the
country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial
regulation, a Clinton was the president.

Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this.
The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had
the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think
you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when
the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations?



Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.

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On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2016 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...for whom the bell tolls:


According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank
Luntz,
Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal

Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they
believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids
are still living with their parents.
http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd

Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they
might become a little more fiscally responsible.

The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the
60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and
lifestyle.


Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of
government and set everyone out on their own for everything.

News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now.
The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after
them to get it.
We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from
the White House)
Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII.
The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was
redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability
to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The
world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had
the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the
US actually balanced it's books.
Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just
print the money we need.


As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our
society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at
decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise
taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax
breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start
drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions
of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it.

Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing.
She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like.
I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from
under the middle class, the president was named Clinton.
When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet
mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that
exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the
president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the
country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial
regulation, a Clinton was the president.

Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this.
The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had
the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think
you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when
the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations?



Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.


As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from
creating more division.

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In article ,
says...

Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.

Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and
die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then
people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods.
BTW, these polls about "trust" are bull****. How about we if we give
*any* candidate a thorough vetting and publicity of that vetting and then
start asking about their trustworthiness? It's all media-produced.
Just like the polls about people fearing the Ebola virus, or ISIS.
I expect a record turnout voting for this election. Why would people
turn out to vote for *untrustworthy* candidates?
Yet they will.

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On 7/12/16 9:01 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.

Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and
die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then
people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods.


The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor
countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly
were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap
labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera.

I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at
least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to
the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing
cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000.

That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to
manufacture.

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Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 7/12/16 9:01 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.

Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and
die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then
people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods.


The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor
countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly
were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap
labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera.

I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at
least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to
the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing
cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000.

That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to
manufacture.




I just bought a new Whirlpool. Where was it made?
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It used to be made in Evansville Indiana. Now the Whirlpool plant is a chino-Indonesian warehouse.

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On 7/12/16 9:18 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 7/12/16 9:01 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.

Except Trump isn't trusted. Hillary isn't trusted. Besides, tool and
die-making is pretty much dead here. But it could come back. Then
people will whine about the cost of manufactured goods.


The profit margins in goods manufactured overseas in near-slave-labor
countries are enormous compared to the margins of goods that formerly
were made here, and the goods made here were profitable. It's the cheap
labor, the lack of real environmental controls, et cetera.

I posit that for example a $2500 refrigerator made in Korea produces at
least $1000 in pure profit to the manufacturer and smaller profits to
the importer, distributor and dealer. I'd bet the actual manufacturing
cost including plant investment, materials, and labor is well under $1000.

That same refrigerator made in the USA would probably cost $1350 to
manufacture.




I just bought a new Whirlpool. Where was it made?


Don't know, but I'd guess a country where workers are exploited, the
environment is ignored...the usual. Maybe somewhere in Asia, India, or
perhaps Mexico.

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On 7/12/16 9:53 AM, Tim wrote:
It used to be made in Evansville Indiana. Now the Whirlpool plant is a chino-Indonesian warehouse.


Yeah...maybe manufactured in China or some other place where labor is
cheap.

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9:18 AMKeyser Söze
On 7/12/16 9:53 AM, Tim wrote:
It used to be made in Evansville Indiana. Now the Whirlpool plant is a chino-Indonesian warehouse.


Yeah...maybe manufactured in China or some other place where labor is
cheap.
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Oh the brand IS overseas and that's what you get...cheap....

Products used to be made to work, now they're priced to sell...

That's a problem I see with ALL executive politicians and they're wannabes .. They promise American jobs but it doesn't happen. Trump Bernie and Hillary are no exceptions. The jobless rate percentages keeps climbing regardless how you stack em.

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:32:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
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On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.


As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from
creating more division.

Anyone who says they will bring back those old UAW jobs where people
will be making $70k for a "monkey see monkey do" job is lying. It may
happen but store brand bread will be $5-6 a loaf because the dollar
has fallen.