On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:45:48 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


By the time Truman / US government recognized Israel, was defacto
recognized by Europe. I have hint it was just a recognition of what was in
place.

The anti semites in Europe saw it as doing what they wanted to do when
the nazis were coming into power, get rid of the jews.
Nobody in Europe believed the arabs had any rights at all. They had
been colonizing Africa for centuries and this was just another colony
in their mind. The only ones who objected were the Brits because
Palestine was their colony. They were losing their other colonies and
this one was not really that important economically so they let it go.

I still think the right thing would have been to take land from the
Germans and let the jews set up their state there. Unfortunately, the
war may not have actually ended if we did that. In that regard, we may
have defeated Hitler but we did not defeat his core policy. None of
the nazis had to give back the stuff they stole from the jews. That
was true of the Swiss too. The restitution that should have paid by
the Germans fell on the Palestinians.

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 11:42:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 11:38 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 11:15:47 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:45:59 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/5/16 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:13:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'd vote for Biden. Maybe I will anyway.

If he is not the DNC candidate, you might as well vote for Johnson, as
if it really matters in your state.


Pimping for the Libertarians again, those fellas who are Republicans who
care even less about, for example, the right to not be the subject of
discrimination?

"Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever
standards of association they deem appropriate." Don't want to serve
blacks, gays, Jew, Catholics in your restaurant? Fine with the Libertarians.


I imagine if they had a sign that said they would not serve people
with an NRA hat, that would be fine with you.



Typically, anti-discrimination laws target discrimination over which an
individual has no control, such as race, ethnicity, country of origin,
gender preference and, usually but not always, religion (tends to be
inherited socially from parents).

Many people who deviate have control over their "gender preference". Remove the word preference, and you would be correct.



Oh? Define "many" in terms of a percentage. Please. And from your
personal knowledge and study. No cites, please, from right-wingers,
fundamentalist preachers, et cetera, or groups that promote the
right-wing agenda.

Loogy! It *is* you!
Sorry, but you're not in charge here, and I have no reason to educate you.
But if you want some education, look up the word "preference". Please.

On 7/6/16 1:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 12:07 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:31:05 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

I recall Randy Paul talking about why he believed restaurant owners and
others in that sort of biz should be able to discriminate as they wish.

In case you forgot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92M3mSKbwR4

The Pauls, father and son, are the most prominent loonytarians. And Ron
Paul had his name attached to some brochures that were blatantly
anti-Semitic.

Have nice day.

I understand Ron Paul does not support the West Bank settlements and
other Israeli apartheid activities but I am not sure I have heard him
say bad things about Jews in general.

You do not have to go very far back to find plenty of prominent
democrats who were anti semites. Certainly within my lifetime.
Truman was notoriously anti semitic, racist and an all around asshole.



The State of Israel would not have existed with its recognition by the
Truman Administration.


By the time Truman / US government recognized Israel, was defacto
recognized by Europe. I have hint it was just a recognition of what was in
place.



Really? On May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed
its new state of Israel. That same date the United States recognized the
provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the Jewish state.

On 7/6/16 2:55 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 11:42:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 11:38 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 11:15:47 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:45:59 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/5/16 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:13:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'd vote for Biden. Maybe I will anyway.

If he is not the DNC candidate, you might as well vote for Johnson, as
if it really matters in your state.


Pimping for the Libertarians again, those fellas who are Republicans who
care even less about, for example, the right to not be the subject of
discrimination?

"Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever
standards of association they deem appropriate." Don't want to serve
blacks, gays, Jew, Catholics in your restaurant? Fine with the Libertarians.


I imagine if they had a sign that said they would not serve people
with an NRA hat, that would be fine with you.



Typically, anti-discrimination laws target discrimination over which an
individual has no control, such as race, ethnicity, country of origin,
gender preference and, usually but not always, religion (tends to be
inherited socially from parents).

Many people who deviate have control over their "gender preference". Remove the word preference, and you would be correct.



Oh? Define "many" in terms of a percentage. Please. And from your
personal knowledge and study. No cites, please, from right-wingers,
fundamentalist preachers, et cetera, or groups that promote the
right-wing agenda.

Loogy! It *is* you!
Sorry, but you're not in charge here, and I have no reason to educate you.
But if you want some education, look up the word "preference". Please.


I had a feeling you were blowing that out your ass.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 06:15:12 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 8:19:56 AM UTC-4, Tom Nofinger wrote:
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 7:03:48 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 7:52 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 7:46:03 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/5/16 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:13:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'd vote for Biden. Maybe I will anyway.

If he is not the DNC candidate, you might as well vote for Johnson, as
if it really matters in your state.


Pimping for the Libertarians again, those fellas who are Republicans who
care even less about, for example, the right to not be the subject of
discrimination?

"Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever
standards of association they deem appropriate." Don't want to serve
blacks, gays, Jew, Catholics in your restaurant? Fine with the Libertarians.

You're being idiotic. A restaurant is *not* a "private organization".
D'oh.



Hehehe. You must have missed Rand Paul's comments about the ability to
discriminate, built upon Libertarianism.

Reminds me of a comment I read this morning...but I doubt you'll get it.

Someone said "I'd rather vote for Hillary even if the Republican FBI
director said she was careless. Donald Trump is clueless."

You're a Trump voter, right?

A liar like Hillary. Krause, your quote goes nowhere. From the Google search engine:

Your search - "I'd rather vote for Hillary even if the Republican FBI director said she was careless ... - did not match any documents.

And his "quote" above about "members of a private org..." doesn't match anything according to google either. Why is he making this BS up?

Bottom line is his made-up quote doesn't indicate that a public restaurant should be able to select their clientele. Libertarians do believe a private club should be able to, like a country club does, or like a local group of the black panthers. Or even like a moderated shooting or boating group does. Heh.

You mean Harry may have lied? Oh my gosh, that's hard to believe.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:15:45 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/6/16 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:45:59 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/5/16 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:13:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'd vote for Biden. Maybe I will anyway.

If he is not the DNC candidate, you might as well vote for Johnson, as
if it really matters in your state.


Pimping for the Libertarians again, those fellas who are Republicans who
care even less about, for example, the right to not be the subject of
discrimination?

"Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever
standards of association they deem appropriate." Don't want to serve
blacks, gays, Jew, Catholics in your restaurant? Fine with the Libertarians.


I imagine if they had a sign that said they would not serve people
with an NRA hat, that would be fine with you.



Typically, anti-discrimination laws target discrimination over which an
individual has no control, such as race, ethnicity, country of origin,
gender preference and, usually but not always, religion (tends to be
inherited socially from parents).

You should thank Got that liars are not usually targetted. You'd go hungry a lot.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:15:23 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/6/16 2:34 PM, wrote:

Au contraire. I don't want to keep christians or any other group of
believers of superstition out of the town square. I simply don't think
the public's property is the appropriate place for permanently erected
religious symbolism of anyone's faith. If a town has an "all faiths day"
and individual congregants of superstition want to set up temporary
booths and hand out literature, that's fine with me, so long as they
take their booths and literature with them when the day is over, and
don't use the space to proselytize.

So you have changed you mind about christmas displays?

I do agree that this right should be open to and encourage everyone to
display the symbols of their faith. (even the wiccans if they want to
be there)
I have said a number of times, I am a spiritual guy but I have no
brand loyalty and I am not really bound by anyone's dogma. I do think
there are important life lessons in most religions.


I'm not sure what you mean by "insulting names."

I will point it out to you the next time you do it.

On 7/6/16 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:15:23 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/6/16 2:34 PM, wrote:

Au contraire. I don't want to keep christians or any other group of
believers of superstition out of the town square. I simply don't think
the public's property is the appropriate place for permanently erected
religious symbolism of anyone's faith. If a town has an "all faiths day"
and individual congregants of superstition want to set up temporary
booths and hand out literature, that's fine with me, so long as they
take their booths and literature with them when the day is over, and
don't use the space to proselytize.

So you have changed you mind about christmas displays?

I do agree that this right should be open to and encourage everyone to
display the symbols of their faith. (even the wiccans if they want to
be there)
I have said a number of times, I am a spiritual guy but I have no
brand loyalty and I am not really bound by anyone's dogma. I do think
there are important life lessons in most religions.


I'm not sure what you mean by "insulting names."

I will point it out to you the next time you do it.


I'm not a fan of Xmas trees on public property, but nowadays I see them
more as a holiday symbol than a religious symbol.

I can hardly spend a minute with the evangelicals who say horrific
things about gays, abortion, whatever. I cannot imagine spending "an
eternity" with people like that.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 1:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 12:07 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:31:05 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

I recall Randy Paul talking about why he believed restaurant owners and
others in that sort of biz should be able to discriminate as they wish.

In case you forgot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92M3mSKbwR4

The Pauls, father and son, are the most prominent loonytarians. And Ron
Paul had his name attached to some brochures that were blatantly
anti-Semitic.

Have nice day.

I understand Ron Paul does not support the West Bank settlements and
other Israeli apartheid activities but I am not sure I have heard him
say bad things about Jews in general.

You do not have to go very far back to find plenty of prominent
democrats who were anti semites. Certainly within my lifetime.
Truman was notoriously anti semitic, racist and an all around asshole.



The State of Israel would not have existed with its recognition by the
Truman Administration.


By the time Truman / US government recognized Israel, was defacto
recognized by Europe. I have hint it was just a recognition of what was in
place.



Really? On May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed
its new state of Israel. That same date the United States recognized the
provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the Jewish state.


Europe was recognizing it, so what the hell, did not cost Truman anything.

On 7/6/16 5:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 1:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/6/16 12:07 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:31:05 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

I recall Randy Paul talking about why he believed restaurant owners and
others in that sort of biz should be able to discriminate as they wish.

In case you forgot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92M3mSKbwR4

The Pauls, father and son, are the most prominent loonytarians. And Ron
Paul had his name attached to some brochures that were blatantly
anti-Semitic.

Have nice day.

I understand Ron Paul does not support the West Bank settlements and
other Israeli apartheid activities but I am not sure I have heard him
say bad things about Jews in general.

You do not have to go very far back to find plenty of prominent
democrats who were anti semites. Certainly within my lifetime.
Truman was notoriously anti semitic, racist and an all around asshole.



The State of Israel would not have existed with its recognition by the
Truman Administration.


By the time Truman / US government recognized Israel, was defacto
recognized by Europe. I have hint it was just a recognition of what was in
place.



Really? On May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed
its new state of Israel. That same date the United States recognized the
provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the Jewish state.


Europe was recognizing it, so what the hell, did not cost Truman anything.


Truman pushed for the establishment of what became Israel beginning at
least in 1945, helped make the partition happen the way it did, and in
his early recognition of Israel, helped it become a modern, independent
state.