Tough choice to make
 

Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.

Tough choice to make
 

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.

Doesn't the swim platform have a drop down ladder? I would have to have used a step stool of some sort for the Key West without that. What type brakes would be on the trailer? Brakes are a bit of a PITA, but much depends on their type, drum vs disc. As you can keep the boat at home, the extra brake maintenance shouldn't be a big problem. If the boat sits a bit higher on the trailer, it would mean you'd back into the water a couple more feet. Does no one launch 18' boats at the launch ramps up there? As to the seat height, I'd never trust a salesman. Would want to check the adjustment myself. Also, I do most of my boating standing, so I can see more.

It seems like you'd be getting a lot for your money with the extra $3500.

Tough choice to make
 

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.

The secret to getting on, with a bum knee and arthritis, may be to sit on the transom and swing your legs over. Shouldn't be a problem, and it's a much safer way to board when the boat's rocking in the water.

Tough choice to make
 

Keine Krausescheiße wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.
Doesn't the swim platform have a drop down ladder? I would have to have used a step stool of some sort for the Key West without that. What type brakes would be on the trailer? Brakes are a bit of a PITA, but much depends on their type, drum vs disc. As you can keep the boat at home, the extra brake maintenance shouldn't be a big problem. If the boat sits a bit higher on the trailer, it would mean you'd back into the water a couple more feet. Does no one launch 18' boats at the launch ramps up there? As to the seat height, I'd never trust a salesman. Would want to check the adjustment myself. Also, I do most of my boating standing, so I can see more.

It seems like you'd be getting a lot for your money with the extra $3500.

The subject line concerns me since the "choice" to buy a Bayliner was
already made and now new considerations are just popping up. I'm sure
his buddy Harry is not loving it but what else can he do at this point
other than be a spectator? His repeated references "the salesman said"
in this and previous posts are cause for concern, too, but it's his problem.

The 175 is rated for a 135HP I/O and the 185 is rated for 220HP - that's
odd considering the negligible weight difference and both are low
numbers for a well-built boat. The 8" wider beam should not result in a
boat that sits that much higher unless it's the wrong trailer for the
boat. If I was buying what is likely my last boat it wouldn't be either
of these. An outboard would be tops on my list for Don's area and
budget. This is a good read to compare the two...

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/boat...e-vs-jet-drive

Don, get out if you still can and enlist the help and experience of
other people. There are internet (not Usenet) message boards that
aren't infested with politics and bull**** that will steer you in the
right direction.

Tough choice to make
 

On Monday, 2 May 2016 21:09:32 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
Keine Krausescheiße wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.
Doesn't the swim platform have a drop down ladder? I would have to have used a step stool of some sort for the Key West without that. What type brakes would be on the trailer? Brakes are a bit of a PITA, but much depends on their type, drum vs disc. As you can keep the boat at home, the extra brake maintenance shouldn't be a big problem. If the boat sits a bit higher on the trailer, it would mean you'd back into the water a couple more feet. Does no one launch 18' boats at the launch ramps up there? As to the seat height, I'd never trust a salesman. Would want to check the adjustment myself. Also, I do most of my boating standing, so I can see more.

It seems like you'd be getting a lot for your money with the extra $3500.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/2/2016 8:38 PM, True North wrote:
On Monday, 2 May 2016 21:09:32 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
Keine Krausescheiße wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.
Doesn't the swim platform have a drop down ladder? I would have to have used a step stool of some sort for the Key West without that. What type brakes would be on the trailer? Brakes are a bit of a PITA, but much depends on their type, drum vs disc. As you can keep the boat at home, the extra brake maintenance shouldn't be a big problem. If the boat sits a bit higher on the trailer, it would mean you'd back into the water a couple more feet. Does no one launch 18' boats at the launch ramps up there? As to the seat height, I'd never trust a salesman. Would want to check the adjustment myself. Also, I do most of my boating standing, so I can see more.

It seems like you'd be getting a lot for your money with the extra $3500.

The subject line concerns me since the "choice" to buy a Bayliner was
already made and now new considerations are just popping up. I'm sure
his buddy Harry is not loving it but what else can he do at this point
other than be a spectator? His repeated references "the salesman said"
in this and previous posts are cause for concern, too, but it's his problem.

The 175 is rated for a 135HP I/O and the 185 is rated for 220HP - that's
odd considering the negligible weight difference and both are low
numbers for a well-built boat. The 8" wider beam should not result in a
boat that sits that much higher unless it's the wrong trailer for the
boat. If I was buying what is likely my last boat it wouldn't be either
of these. An outboard would be tops on my list for Don's area and
budget. This is a good read to compare the two...

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/boat...e-vs-jet-drive

Don, get out if you still can and enlist the help and experience of
other people. There are internet (not Usenet) message boards that
aren't infested with politics and bull**** that will steer you in the
right direction.

I was surprised to heat that 90% of the 185 BR boats that Quartermaster Marine brings in have the 3.0 engine. Maybe we're just not as power hungry as y'all down there.

You need to stop listening to salesmen Donnie.

Tough choice to make
 

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 8:38:26 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Monday, 2 May 2016 21:09:32 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
Keine Krausescheiße wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.
Doesn't the swim platform have a drop down ladder? I would have to have used a step stool of some sort for the Key West without that. What type brakes would be on the trailer? Brakes are a bit of a PITA, but much depends on their type, drum vs disc. As you can keep the boat at home, the extra brake maintenance shouldn't be a big problem. If the boat sits a bit higher on the trailer, it would mean you'd back into the water a couple more feet.. Does no one launch 18' boats at the launch ramps up there? As to the seat height, I'd never trust a salesman. Would want to check the adjustment myself. Also, I do most of my boating standing, so I can see more.

It seems like you'd be getting a lot for your money with the extra $3500.

The subject line concerns me since the "choice" to buy a Bayliner was
already made and now new considerations are just popping up. I'm sure
his buddy Harry is not loving it but what else can he do at this point
other than be a spectator? His repeated references "the salesman said"
in this and previous posts are cause for concern, too, but it's his problem.

The 175 is rated for a 135HP I/O and the 185 is rated for 220HP - that's
odd considering the negligible weight difference and both are low
numbers for a well-built boat. The 8" wider beam should not result in a
boat that sits that much higher unless it's the wrong trailer for the
boat. If I was buying what is likely my last boat it wouldn't be either
of these. An outboard would be tops on my list for Don's area and
budget. This is a good read to compare the two...

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/boat...e-vs-jet-drive

Don, get out if you still can and enlist the help and experience of
other people. There are internet (not Usenet) message boards that
aren't infested with politics and bull**** that will steer you in the
right direction.

I was surprised to heat that 90% of the 185 BR boats that Quartermaster Marine brings in have the 3.0 engine. Maybe we're just not as power hungry as y'all down there.

===

No one has ever bought a boat and complained about it having too much power.. A longer, heavier boat will also ride better in choppy seas. In my opinion the trailer issues that you mentioned are all surmountable. I also agree with Alex about the desirability of outboards. They are much easier/cheaper to maintain in my opinion.

Tough choice to make
 

On Mon, 2 May 2016 17:38:24 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 2 May 2016 21:09:32 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
Keine Krausescheiße wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.
Doesn't the swim platform have a drop down ladder? I would have to have used a step stool of some sort for the Key West without that. What type brakes would be on the trailer? Brakes are a bit of a PITA, but much depends on their type, drum vs disc. As you can keep the boat at home, the extra brake maintenance shouldn't be a big problem. If the boat sits a bit higher on the trailer, it would mean you'd back into the water a couple more feet. Does no one launch 18' boats at the launch ramps up there? As to the seat height, I'd never trust a salesman. Would want to check the adjustment myself. Also, I do most of my boating standing, so I can see more.

It seems like you'd be getting a lot for your money with the extra $3500.

The subject line concerns me since the "choice" to buy a Bayliner was
already made and now new considerations are just popping up. I'm sure
his buddy Harry is not loving it but what else can he do at this point
other than be a spectator? His repeated references "the salesman said"
in this and previous posts are cause for concern, too, but it's his problem.

The 175 is rated for a 135HP I/O and the 185 is rated for 220HP - that's
odd considering the negligible weight difference and both are low
numbers for a well-built boat. The 8" wider beam should not result in a
boat that sits that much higher unless it's the wrong trailer for the
boat. If I was buying what is likely my last boat it wouldn't be either
of these. An outboard would be tops on my list for Don's area and
budget. This is a good read to compare the two...

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/boat...e-vs-jet-drive

Don, get out if you still can and enlist the help and experience of
other people. There are internet (not Usenet) message boards that
aren't infested with politics and bull**** that will steer you in the
right direction.

I was surprised to heat that 90% of the 185 BR boats that Quartermaster Marine brings in have the 3.0 engine. Maybe we're just not as power hungry as y'all down there.

Don, you were being offered some good advice. A smart-assed reply is uncalled for. It could well be
that 90% of the 185BR buyers don't want to pay the extra $4-6000 for the bigger engine. Remember,
they're buying Bayliners.

Stop and think, you are buying a stern drive, with all it's problems, so it will be easier for your
dog to board. The 170 has small platforms on each side of the outboard that appear to be the same
distance from the water as the big platform on the 175. If the dog can climb up, somehow, to the
swim platform, it should be able to climb up to the smaller platforms on the 170, or 180.

Worth repeating: Don, get out if you still can and enlist the help and experience of
other people. There are internet (not Usenet) message boards that
aren't infested with politics and bull**** that will steer you in the
right direction.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

Tough choice to make
 

- show quoted text -
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"No one has ever bought a boat and complained about it having too much power. *A longer, heavier boat will also ride better in choppy seas. *In my opinion the trailer issues that you mentioned are all surmountable. *I also agree with Alex about the desirability of outboards. *They are much easier/cheaper to maintain in my opinion."

I like the 'sport seating' available with the stern drive models. The two jump seats sit on either side of the motor box and are much further back than the bench seat on the outboard model. This allows a lot more floor room.

Tough choice to make
 

Johnny...you seem to work overtime at being offended. Someone down there must like stern drives or there wouldn't be so many available...from a number of manufacturers.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/16 7:59 AM, True North wrote:
Johnny...you seem to work overtime at being offended. Someone down there must like stern drives or there wouldn't be so many available...from a number of manufacturers.



Johnny seems to start every day off here by being offensive. Seriously.

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 04:55:27 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


- show quoted text -
===

"No one has ever bought a boat and complained about it having too much power. *A longer, heavier boat will also ride better in choppy seas. *In my opinion the trailer issues that you mentioned are all surmountable. *I also agree with Alex about the desirability of outboards. *They are much easier/cheaper to maintain in my opinion."

I like the 'sport seating' available with the stern drive models. The two jump seats sit on either side of the motor box and are much further back than the bench seat on the outboard model. This allows a lot more floor room.


http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../170-bowrider/

http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../175-bowrider/

If you raise the center section of the seat in the 170, you have two jump seats *and* storage space.
You seem to have forgotten the 'floor room' occupied by the engine compartment.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 04:59:46 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Johnny...you seem to work overtime at being offended. Someone down there must like stern drives or there wouldn't be so many available...from a number of manufacturers.

Who's offended? I'm certainly not. I simply saw no need for a smart-assed comment directed at
someone who was trying to give you some decent advice.

The first time your exhaust manifold rusts through because of the salt water, you'll be wondering
why you didn't heed some advice.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:12:05 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/3/16 7:59 AM, True North wrote:
Johnny...you seem to work overtime at being offended. Someone down there must like stern drives or there wouldn't be so many available...from a number of manufacturers.



Johnny seems to start every day off here by being offensive. Seriously.

From one who spends every waking minute here trying to be offensive.

Take a break, Krause. Read my sig carefully.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

Tough choice to make
 

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 7:59:47 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Johnny...you seem to work overtime at being offended. Someone down there must like stern drives or there wouldn't be so many available...from a number of manufacturers.

Lake boaters. Not salt water.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/16 8:20 AM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:12:05 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/3/16 7:59 AM, True North wrote:
Johnny...you seem to work overtime at being offended. Someone down there must like stern drives or there wouldn't be so many available...from a number of manufacturers.



Johnny seems to start every day off here by being offensive. Seriously.

From one who spends every waking minute here trying to be offensive.

Take a break, Krause. Read my sig carefully.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!



Johnny seems to start every day off here by being offensive. Seriously.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/2016 7:59 AM, True North wrote:
Johnny...you seem to work overtime at being offended. Someone down there must like stern drives or there wouldn't be so many available...from a number of manufacturers.

There's something about the look of a mixmaster on the low transom
spoiling the lines of a boat.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/2016 8:15 AM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 04:55:27 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


- show quoted text -
===

"No one has ever bought a boat and complained about it having too much power. A longer, heavier boat will also ride better in choppy seas. In my opinion the trailer issues that you mentioned are all surmountable. I also agree with Alex about the desirability of outboards. They are much easier/cheaper to maintain in my opinion."

I like the 'sport seating' available with the stern drive models. The two jump seats sit on either side of the motor box and are much further back than the bench seat on the outboard model. This allows a lot more floor room.


http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../170-bowrider/

http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../175-bowrider/

If you raise the center section of the seat in the 170, you have two jump seats *and* storage space.
You seem to have forgotten the 'floor room' occupied by the engine compartment.

Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ...

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/16 11:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/3/2016 8:15 AM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 04:55:27 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:


- show quoted text -
===

"No one has ever bought a boat and complained about it having too
much power. A longer, heavier boat will also ride better in choppy
seas. In my opinion the trailer issues that you mentioned are all
surmountable. I also agree with Alex about the desirability of
outboards. They are much easier/cheaper to maintain in my opinion."

I like the 'sport seating' available with the stern drive models.
The two jump seats sit on either side of the motor box and are much
further back than the bench seat on the outboard model. This allows a
lot more floor room.


http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../170-bowrider/

http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../175-bowrider/

If you raise the center section of the seat in the 170, you have two
jump seats *and* storage space.
You seem to have forgotten the 'floor room' occupied by the engine
compartment.

Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ...



Because the whiners love whining...

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 11:20:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/3/2016 8:15 AM, Keine Krauseschei?e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 04:55:27 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


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"No one has ever bought a boat and complained about it having too much power. A longer, heavier boat will also ride better in choppy seas. In my opinion the trailer issues that you mentioned are all surmountable. I also agree with Alex about the desirability of outboards. They are much easier/cheaper to maintain in my opinion."

I like the 'sport seating' available with the stern drive models. The two jump seats sit on either side of the motor box and are much further back than the bench seat on the outboard model. This allows a lot more floor room.


http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../170-bowrider/

http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../175-bowrider/

If you raise the center section of the seat in the 170, you have two jump seats *and* storage space.
You seem to have forgotten the 'floor room' occupied by the engine compartment.

Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ...

Is someone stopping him? Or could they just be providing him some considerations?
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Mr. Luddite
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"Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ... "


Thank you!
I realize that the Bayliner is considered an entry level boat and have read whatever I can google on the pros and cons of outboard vs stern drive but some of the participants in here don't realize my realities. Low dollar, short season, dry sailing, light useage etc.
It doesn't make sense for me to stretch myself out on a top rated boat. Might be better to apply my 79 cent pension dollars, saved on a modest boat purchase, towards a modest travel trailer.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/2016 11:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/3/2016 8:15 AM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 04:55:27 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:


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"No one has ever bought a boat and complained about it having too
much power. A longer, heavier boat will also ride better in choppy
seas. In my opinion the trailer issues that you mentioned are all
surmountable. I also agree with Alex about the desirability of
outboards. They are much easier/cheaper to maintain in my opinion."

I like the 'sport seating' available with the stern drive models.
The two jump seats sit on either side of the motor box and are much
further back than the bench seat on the outboard model. This allows a
lot more floor room.


http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../170-bowrider/

http://bayliner.com/models/bowrider-.../175-bowrider/

If you raise the center section of the seat in the 170, you have two
jump seats *and* storage space.
You seem to have forgotten the 'floor room' occupied by the engine
compartment.

Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ...

The problem is he's never happy with his compromises. He listens to
salesmen too much.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/2016 12:35 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
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"Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ..."


Thank you!
I realize that the Bayliner is considered an entry level boat and have read whatever I can google on the pros and cons of outboard vs stern drive but some of the participants in here don't realize my realities. Low dollar, short season, dry sailing, light useage etc.
It doesn't make sense for me to stretch myself out on a top rated boat. Might be better to apply my 79 cent pension dollars, saved on a modest boat purchase, towards a modest travel trailer.

It doesn't sound to me that you are a good candidate for a boat
purchase. You already have a modest boat. And I'm sure what you
contemplate is much of an upgrade, if any at all. Save your bucks and
put them towards a modest camper.
BTW Do you have room to store a boat AND a camper?

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Mr. Luddite
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"Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ... "


Thank you!
I realize that the Bayliner is considered an entry level boat and have read whatever I can google on the pros and cons of outboard vs stern drive but some of the participants in here don't realize my realities. Low dollar, short season, dry sailing, light useage etc.
It doesn't make sense for me to stretch myself out on a top rated boat. Might be better to apply my 79 cent pension dollars, saved on a modest boat purchase, towards a modest travel trailer.

If you don't want input, why continue to pose quandaries? You write paragraphs about the decision
process you're going through and then thank Luddite when he suggests no one comment on that process.
Why not just buy the boat and tell no one what you are considering or why. Then, keep it to
yourself...no pictures or description.

Just tell everyone it's got twin Volvo inboard diesels!
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/16 1:04 PM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Mr. Luddite
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"Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ... "


Thank you!
I realize that the Bayliner is considered an entry level boat and have read whatever I can google on the pros and cons of outboard vs stern drive but some of the participants in here don't realize my realities. Low dollar, short season, dry sailing, light useage etc.
It doesn't make sense for me to stretch myself out on a top rated boat. Might be better to apply my 79 cent pension dollars, saved on a modest boat purchase, towards a modest travel trailer.

If you don't want input, why continue to pose quandaries? You write paragraphs about the decision
process you're going through and then thank Luddite when he suggests no one comment on that process.
Why not just buy the boat and tell no one what you are considering or why. Then, keep it to
yourself...no pictures or description.

Just tell everyone it's got twin Volvo inboard diesels!
--

You just never stop being the flaming asshole, do you?

Tough choice to make
 

Keyser Söze says
"You just never stop being the flaming asshole, do you? ..."


The John is an amusing fellow

He can blather on endlessly about motorbikes, baking and cooking, golf and so called camping, but I should keep quiet about what to me is a major boat purchase.
He must have been quite the leader in the 'merican army.

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Keyser Söze says
"You just never stop being the flaming asshole, do you? ..."


The John is an amusing fellow

He can blather on endlessly about motorbikes, baking and cooking, golf and so called camping, but I should keep quiet about what to me is a major boat purchase.
He must have been quite the leader in the 'merican army.

I asked why you make an issue of the various considerations, but don't want input on them.

No one suggested you 'keep quiet', unless you'd rather have no response. Then you should 'keep
quiet'.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/16 2:14 PM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Keyser Söze says
"You just never stop being the flaming asshole, do you? ..."


The John is an amusing fellow

He can blather on endlessly about motorbikes, baking and cooking, golf and so called camping, but I should keep quiet about what to me is a major boat purchase.
He must have been quite the leader in the 'merican army.

I asked why you make an issue of the various considerations, but don't want input on them.

No one suggested you 'keep quiet', unless you'd rather have no response. Then you should 'keep
quiet'.
--

Why not give it a rest, SnarlyJohn?

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:30:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/3/16 2:14 PM, Keine Krauseschei?e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Keyser Söze says
"You just never stop being the flaming asshole, do you? ..."


The John is an amusing fellow

He can blather on endlessly about motorbikes, baking and cooking, golf and so called camping, but I should keep quiet about what to me is a major boat purchase.
He must have been quite the leader in the 'merican army.

I asked why you make an issue of the various considerations, but don't want input on them.

No one suggested you 'keep quiet', unless you'd rather have no response. Then you should 'keep
quiet'.
--

Why not give it a rest, SnarlyJohn?

Whatsa matter, Krause? Don can't answer for himself?

He's the one talking about how tough to make his choice was. I would have been glad if someone had
steered me away from a stern drive when I bought the Pro Line for use in the bay. I'll never make
that mistake again.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/16 2:42 PM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:30:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/3/16 2:14 PM, Keine Krauseschei?e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Keyser Söze says
"You just never stop being the flaming asshole, do you? ..."


The John is an amusing fellow

He can blather on endlessly about motorbikes, baking and cooking, golf and so called camping, but I should keep quiet about what to me is a major boat purchase.
He must have been quite the leader in the 'merican army.

I asked why you make an issue of the various considerations, but don't want input on them.

No one suggested you 'keep quiet', unless you'd rather have no response. Then you should 'keep
quiet'.
--

Why not give it a rest, SnarlyJohn?



Whatsa matter, Krause? Don can't answer for himself?

He's the one talking about how tough to make his choice was. I would have been glad if someone had
steered me away from a stern drive when I bought the Pro Line for use in the bay. I'll never make
that mistake again.
--



Another perfect example of your snarliness, Johnny. Why not give it a rest?

Tough choice to make
 

Keine Krausescheiße
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:30:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
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"Whatsa matter, Krause? Don can't answer for himself?

He's the one talking about how tough to make his choice was. I would have been glad if someone had
steered me away from a stern drive when I bought the Pro Line for use in the bay. I'll never make
that mistake again."


BTW Johnny, the tough choice wasn't between stern drive and outboards...It was between a 17.5' Boat and an 18' Boat...both with the 3.0 MerCruiser stern drive engine. These were the 2015 left overs on sale avoiding higher prices due to our low dollar.

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 13:41:31 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Keine Krausescheiße
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:30:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
- show quoted text -
"Whatsa matter, Krause? Don can't answer for himself?

He's the one talking about how tough to make his choice was. I would have been glad if someone had
steered me away from a stern drive when I bought the Pro Line for use in the bay. I'll never make
that mistake again."


BTW Johnny, the tough choice wasn't between stern drive and outboards...It was between a 17.5' Boat and an 18' Boat...both with the 3.0 MerCruiser stern drive engine. These were the 2015 left overs on sale avoiding higher prices due to our low dollar.

Good luck with whatever you get, Don.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/16 4:41 PM, True North wrote:
Keine Krausescheiße
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:30:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
- show quoted text -
"Whatsa matter, Krause? Don can't answer for himself?

He's the one talking about how tough to make his choice was. I would have been glad if someone had
steered me away from a stern drive when I bought the Pro Line for use in the bay. I'll never make
that mistake again."


BTW Johnny, the tough choice wasn't between stern drive and outboards...It was between a 17.5' Boat and an 18' Boat...both with the 3.0 MerCruiser stern drive engine. These were the 2015 left overs on sale avoiding higher prices due to our low dollar.


I don't see where an I/O drive on a trailerboat that spends its
"offtime" on a trailer in a driveway would be problematical. I wouldn't
keep an I/O boat out on a mooring or in a wet dock, but that isn't what
you are going to do.

I wouldn't take any advice on boats that Herring offers as valuable.

Tough choice to make
 

Keyser Söze
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"I don't see where an I/O drive on a trailerboat that spends its
"offtime" on a trailer in a driveway would be problematical. I wouldn't
keep an I/O boat out on a mooring or in a wet dock, but that isn't what
you are going to do.

I wouldn't take any advice on boats that Herring offers as valuable."


Yup...drysail is the term we use.
Out of the almost 8000 hours in a year, my boat might average 25 in the water. (if we really like this new boat, that might be a bit higher) In four years the Legend didn't spend one night in the water.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/16 5:52 PM, True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"I don't see where an I/O drive on a trailerboat that spends its
"offtime" on a trailer in a driveway would be problematical. I wouldn't
keep an I/O boat out on a mooring or in a wet dock, but that isn't what
you are going to do.

I wouldn't take any advice on boats that Herring offers as valuable."


Yup...drysail is the term we use.
Out of the almost 8000 hours in a year, my boat might average 25 in the water. (if we really like this new boat, that might be a bit higher) In four years the Legend didn't spend one night in the water.

Just flush out the motor and lower unit after use, keep everything
greased and oiled, and wash the salt off the boat and trailer and axles
and you'll be fine.

Tough choice to make
 

On 5/3/2016 1:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/3/16 1:04 PM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ... "


Thank you!
I realize that the Bayliner is considered an entry level boat and
have read whatever I can google on the pros and cons of outboard vs
stern drive but some of the participants in here don't realize my
realities. Low dollar, short season, dry sailing, light useage etc.
It doesn't make sense for me to stretch myself out on a top rated
boat. Might be better to apply my 79 cent pension dollars, saved on a
modest boat purchase, towards a modest travel trailer.

If you don't want input, why continue to pose quandaries? You write
paragraphs about the decision
process you're going through and then thank Luddite when he suggests
no one comment on that process.
Why not just buy the boat and tell no one what you are considering or
why. Then, keep it to
yourself...no pictures or description.

Just tell everyone it's got twin Volvo inboard diesels!
--

You just never stop being the flaming asshole, do you?

He's not a flaming asshole. He's merely throwing a light barb at THE
flaming asshole.

Tough choice to make
 

True North wrote:
On Monday, 2 May 2016 21:09:32 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
Keine Krausescheiße wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.
Doesn't the swim platform have a drop down ladder? I would have to have used a step stool of some sort for the Key West without that. What type brakes would be on the trailer? Brakes are a bit of a PITA, but much depends on their type, drum vs disc. As you can keep the boat at home, the extra brake maintenance shouldn't be a big problem. If the boat sits a bit higher on the trailer, it would mean you'd back into the water a couple more feet. Does no one launch 18' boats at the launch ramps up there? As to the seat height, I'd never trust a salesman. Would want to check the adjustment myself. Also, I do most of my boating standing, so I can see more.

It seems like you'd be getting a lot for your money with the extra $3500.
The subject line concerns me since the "choice" to buy a Bayliner was
already made and now new considerations are just popping up. I'm sure
his buddy Harry is not loving it but what else can he do at this point
other than be a spectator? His repeated references "the salesman said"
in this and previous posts are cause for concern, too, but it's his problem.

The 175 is rated for a 135HP I/O and the 185 is rated for 220HP - that's
odd considering the negligible weight difference and both are low
numbers for a well-built boat. The 8" wider beam should not result in a
boat that sits that much higher unless it's the wrong trailer for the
boat. If I was buying what is likely my last boat it wouldn't be either
of these. An outboard would be tops on my list for Don's area and
budget. This is a good read to compare the two...

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/boat...e-vs-jet-drive

Don, get out if you still can and enlist the help and experience of
other people. There are internet (not Usenet) message boards that
aren't infested with politics and bull**** that will steer you in the
right direction.
I was surprised to heat that 90% of the 185 BR boats that Quartermaster Marine brings in have the 3.0 engine. Maybe we're just not as power hungry as y'all down there.


"heat", Don?

That 185HP is close to 130HP in outboard horsepower.

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Say what?
What 185HP?

Don, if you have not done so check out the Bayliner Owners Club at www.baylinerownersclub.org pose your queries there. You will get some pretty straight up answers from the members there.

Tough choice to make
 

True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"I don't see where an I/O drive on a trailerboat that spends its
"offtime" on a trailer in a driveway would be problematical. I wouldn't
keep an I/O boat out on a mooring or in a wet dock, but that isn't what
you are going to do.

I wouldn't take any advice on boats that Herring offers as valuable."


Yup...drysail is the term we use.
Out of the almost 8000 hours in a year, my boat might average 25 in the
water. (if we really like this new boat, that might be a bit higher) In
four years the Legend didn't spend one night in the water.


With only 25 hours of use, I would look at renting a nice boat when I
wanted on the water.