....hate:

This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68
to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private
practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating
care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the
client identifies.

Representative John Ray Clemmons (D) lead a vigorous debate on the House
floor, proposing series of amendments to attempt to limit the harm of
this bill and ensure the protection of youth seeking counseling for
issues of bullying. One of these amendments would have forced counselors
to publicly state on their website and marketing materials if they
reserved the right to refuse counseling to someone. Another amendment
would have prevented counselors from charging a client for services if
the therapist then referred them away because of a religious refusal to
serve the client.

Speaking in support of these amendments, Rep. Clemmons eloquently stated
that “seeking help is hard enough� and he particularly pushed for two
different amendments that would protect children under the age of 18
from being refused if they sought counseling services for being bullied.
The focus of therapy, Rep. Clemmons stressed, is on the needs of the
client, not the counselors and those within the counseling profession
understand this important focus.

Extreme members of the legislature moved procedurally to limit
discussion to 2 minutes per member and shot down each attempt at
amendments by Rep. Clemmons and other House Democrats who stood up to
fight for the rights of those seeking counseling in a state which is
already underserved by mental health professionals.

The bill’s sponsor, *Rep. Howell (R)* continued to push for the
protection of the counselors at the expense of those they seek to
counsel. In the end, legislators passed HB1840/SB1556 without accepting
any of Rep. Clemmons amendments.

HB1840/SB1556 has been vigorously opposed many counseling professionals
and organizations in the state of Tennessee as well as the American
Counseling Association. The ACA sets the Code of Ethics and standards
for practice nationally and these are adopted by the state of Tennessee
as its standards for licensing counselors in the state. In a statement,
Art Terrazas, Director of Government Affairs at The American Counseling
Association said, “Passing this legislation is not only morally wrong
and a dangerous precedent, but could also result in costly unintended
consequences for Tennessee, including for the hundreds of thousands of
state residents who rely on accessible and professional counseling
services.�
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Ahh, more GOP/christian hatemongering...protect the counselors? From what?

Keyser Söze wrote:
...hate:

This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68
to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private
practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating
care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the
client identifies.

Representative John Ray Clemmons (D) lead a vigorous debate on the House
floor, proposing series of amendments to attempt to limit the harm of
this bill and ensure the protection of youth seeking counseling for
issues of bullying. One of these amendments would have forced counselors
to publicly state on their website and marketing materials if they
reserved the right to refuse counseling to someone. Another amendment
would have prevented counselors from charging a client for services if
the therapist then referred them away because of a religious refusal to
serve the client.

Speaking in support of these amendments, Rep. Clemmons eloquently stated
that “seeking help is hard enough� and he particularly pushed for two
different amendments that would protect children under the age of 18
from being refused if they sought counseling services for being bullied.
The focus of therapy, Rep. Clemmons stressed, is on the needs of the
client, not the counselors and those within the counseling profession
understand this important focus.

Extreme members of the legislature moved procedurally to limit
discussion to 2 minutes per member and shot down each attempt at
amendments by Rep. Clemmons and other House Democrats who stood up to
fight for the rights of those seeking counseling in a state which is
already underserved by mental health professionals.

The bill’s sponsor, *Rep. Howell (R)* continued to push for the
protection of the counselors at the expense of those they seek to
counsel. In the end, legislators passed HB1840/SB1556 without accepting
any of Rep. Clemmons amendments.

HB1840/SB1556 has been vigorously opposed many counseling professionals
and organizations in the state of Tennessee as well as the American
Counseling Association. The ACA sets the Code of Ethics and standards
for practice nationally and these are adopted by the state of Tennessee
as its standards for licensing counselors in the state. In a statement,
Art Terrazas, Director of Government Affairs at The American Counseling
Association said, “Passing this legislation is not only morally wrong
and a dangerous precedent, but could also result in costly unintended
consequences for Tennessee, including for the hundreds of thousands of
state residents who rely on accessible and professional counseling
services.�
- - - - - - - - - -

Ahh, more GOP/christian hatemongering...protect the counselors? From what?


Actually sounds like a good bill. Allow a counselor to recuse themselves
from aliased case.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556

I suppose I would say we are talking about "licensed counselors in
PRIVATE practice". Doesn't your wife want the ability to turn down a
client if she is repulsed by them? (child molester or whatever) The
reason is not as important as the right.

If we were talking about state practitioners or anything government
oriented, I would object to who they can confuse. We are talking about
a private practice. Isn't this the flip side of the kentucky marriage
license fight?

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

...hate:

This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68
to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private
practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating
care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the
client identifies.

....along with a lot more Keyserscheiße.

A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish.

Amen.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns!

On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei�e wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

...hate:

This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68
to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private
practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating
care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the
client identifies.

...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße.

A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish.

Amen.
--

Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel
competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier
than thou christians discriminate against gay.

The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away
folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good
counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian"
counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work,
perhaps as ministers.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

...hate:

This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68
to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private
practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating
care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the
client identifies.

...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße.

A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish.

Amen.
--

Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel
competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier
than thou christians discriminate against gay.

The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away
folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good
counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian"
counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work,
perhaps as ministers.

Where I tend to agree with you is why they even need this law. Don't
private counselors already have the ability to pass on a patient they
do not think they can help?
If you start right out believing the person is an abomination, how
helpful would your advice be?

It is like the people bitching about a baker who won't make you a
cake. Would you really want food from someone who doesn't like you? I
bet it would not be their best effort. "oops, way too much salt" "oh
well".
The idea that they couldn't find a gay friendly florist was even more
ludicrous. It is hard to find a florist that doesn't have at least one
gay person working there.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:08:58 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

...hate:

This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68
to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private
practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating
care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the
client identifies.

...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße.

A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish.

Amen.
--

Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel
competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier
than thou christians discriminate against gay.

The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away
folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good
counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian"
counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work,
perhaps as ministers.

Where I tend to agree with you is why they even need this law. Don't
private counselors already have the ability to pass on a patient they
do not think they can help?
If you start right out believing the person is an abomination, how
helpful would your advice be?

It is like the people bitching about a baker who won't make you a
cake. Would you really want food from someone who doesn't like you? I
bet it would not be their best effort. "oops, way too much salt" "oh
well".
The idea that they couldn't find a gay friendly florist was even more
ludicrous. It is hard to find a florist that doesn't have at least one
gay person working there.

Counselor: " My beliefs are 180 degrees out of kilter with yours. But, if you want to
keep coming here and talking for 50 minutes a week, I'll take the $300 to sit here.
Won't be able to give you much in the way of advice though."

I'd think that would solve the problem. The counselor is not turning anyone away,
just being up front.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns!

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

...hate:

This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68
to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private
practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating
care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the
client identifies.

...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße.

A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish.

Amen.
--

Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel
competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier
than thou christians discriminate against gay.

The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away
folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good
counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian"
counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work,
perhaps as ministers.

I would expect any counselors with whom you associate to be hard core liberals, or
you wouldn't be associating with them for long.

Again, a private counselor should be able to treat whomever they wish.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns!

On 4/11/16 2:10 PM, Keine Keyserschei�e wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:08:58 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

...hate:

This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68
to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private
practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating
care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the
client identifies.

...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße.

A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish.

Amen.
--

Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel
competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier
than thou christians discriminate against gay.

The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away
folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good
counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian"
counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work,
perhaps as ministers.

Where I tend to agree with you is why they even need this law. Don't
private counselors already have the ability to pass on a patient they
do not think they can help?
If you start right out believing the person is an abomination, how
helpful would your advice be?

It is like the people bitching about a baker who won't make you a
cake. Would you really want food from someone who doesn't like you? I
bet it would not be their best effort. "oops, way too much salt" "oh
well".
The idea that they couldn't find a gay friendly florist was even more
ludicrous. It is hard to find a florist that doesn't have at least one
gay person working there.

Counselor: " My beliefs are 180 degrees out of kilter with yours. But, if you want to
keep coming here and talking for 50 minutes a week, I'll take the $300 to sit here.
Won't be able to give you much in the way of advice though."

I'd think that would solve the problem. The counselor is not turning anyone away,
just being up front.
--


The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental
health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that
counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor
typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal
beliefs are kept...personal.

Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing
a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and
I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you.

If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling.
Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:44:06 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental
health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that
counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor
typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal
beliefs are kept...personal.

Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing
a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and
I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you.

If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling.
Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it.

How would the fair Dr G deal with a person who was too prejudiced for
her to stand and constantly blaming their disfunction on some minority
group instead of trying to understand her proposed therapy?

I am sure she has had people too violent to treat. Our counselor
friend used to work with Charlotte Correctional, perhaps the most
dangerous facility in Florida. (I saw a guy get killed there.)
She said there were some inmates she was simply not comfortable being
in a room with. She ended up getting out of there and moving to
teaching.