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This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. Representative John Ray Clemmons (D) lead a vigorous debate on the House floor, proposing series of amendments to attempt to limit the harm of this bill and ensure the protection of youth seeking counseling for issues of bullying. One of these amendments would have forced counselors to publicly state on their website and marketing materials if they reserved the right to refuse counseling to someone. Another amendment would have prevented counselors from charging a client for services if the therapist then referred them away because of a religious refusal to serve the client. Speaking in support of these amendments, Rep. Clemmons eloquently stated that “seeking help is hard enough” and he particularly pushed for two different amendments that would protect children under the age of 18 from being refused if they sought counseling services for being bullied. The focus of therapy, Rep. Clemmons stressed, is on the needs of the client, not the counselors and those within the counseling profession understand this important focus. Extreme members of the legislature moved procedurally to limit discussion to 2 minutes per member and shot down each attempt at amendments by Rep. Clemmons and other House Democrats who stood up to fight for the rights of those seeking counseling in a state which is already underserved by mental health professionals. The bill’s sponsor, *Rep. Howell (R)* continued to push for the protection of the counselors at the expense of those they seek to counsel. In the end, legislators passed HB1840/SB1556 without accepting any of Rep. Clemmons amendments. HB1840/SB1556 has been vigorously opposed many counseling professionals and organizations in the state of Tennessee as well as the American Counseling Association. The ACA sets the Code of Ethics and standards for practice nationally and these are adopted by the state of Tennessee as its standards for licensing counselors in the state. In a statement, Art Terrazas, Director of Government Affairs at The American Counseling Association said, “Passing this legislation is not only morally wrong and a dangerous precedent, but could also result in costly unintended consequences for Tennessee, including for the hundreds of thousands of state residents who rely on accessible and professional counseling services.” - - - - - - - - - - Ahh, more GOP/christian hatemongering...protect the counselors? From what? |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
...hate: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. Representative John Ray Clemmons (D) lead a vigorous debate on the House floor, proposing series of amendments to attempt to limit the harm of this bill and ensure the protection of youth seeking counseling for issues of bullying. One of these amendments would have forced counselors to publicly state on their website and marketing materials if they reserved the right to refuse counseling to someone. Another amendment would have prevented counselors from charging a client for services if the therapist then referred them away because of a religious refusal to serve the client. Speaking in support of these amendments, Rep. Clemmons eloquently stated that “seeking help is hard enough” and he particularly pushed for two different amendments that would protect children under the age of 18 from being refused if they sought counseling services for being bullied. The focus of therapy, Rep. Clemmons stressed, is on the needs of the client, not the counselors and those within the counseling profession understand this important focus. Extreme members of the legislature moved procedurally to limit discussion to 2 minutes per member and shot down each attempt at amendments by Rep. Clemmons and other House Democrats who stood up to fight for the rights of those seeking counseling in a state which is already underserved by mental health professionals. The bill’s sponsor, *Rep. Howell (R)* continued to push for the protection of the counselors at the expense of those they seek to counsel. In the end, legislators passed HB1840/SB1556 without accepting any of Rep. Clemmons amendments. HB1840/SB1556 has been vigorously opposed many counseling professionals and organizations in the state of Tennessee as well as the American Counseling Association. The ACA sets the Code of Ethics and standards for practice nationally and these are adopted by the state of Tennessee as its standards for licensing counselors in the state. In a statement, Art Terrazas, Director of Government Affairs at The American Counseling Association said, “Passing this legislation is not only morally wrong and a dangerous precedent, but could also result in costly unintended consequences for Tennessee, including for the hundreds of thousands of state residents who rely on accessible and professional counseling services.” - - - - - - - - - - Ahh, more GOP/christian hatemongering...protect the counselors? From what? Actually sounds like a good bill. Allow a counselor to recuse themselves from aliased case. |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 I suppose I would say we are talking about "licensed counselors in PRIVATE practice". Doesn't your wife want the ability to turn down a client if she is repulsed by them? (child molester or whatever) The reason is not as important as the right. If we were talking about state practitioners or anything government oriented, I would object to who they can confuse. We are talking about a private practice. Isn't this the flip side of the kentucky marriage license fight? |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Sze wrote:
...hate: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. ....along with a lot more Keyserscheie. A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. Amen. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei�e wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...hate: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. ...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße. A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. Amen. -- Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier than thou christians discriminate against gay. The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian" counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work, perhaps as ministers. |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...hate: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. ...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße. A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. Amen. -- Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier than thou christians discriminate against gay. The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian" counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work, perhaps as ministers. Where I tend to agree with you is why they even need this law. Don't private counselors already have the ability to pass on a patient they do not think they can help? If you start right out believing the person is an abomination, how helpful would your advice be? It is like the people bitching about a baker who won't make you a cake. Would you really want food from someone who doesn't like you? I bet it would not be their best effort. "oops, way too much salt" "oh well". The idea that they couldn't find a gay friendly florist was even more ludicrous. It is hard to find a florist that doesn't have at least one gay person working there. |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Sze wrote: ...hate: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. ...along with a lot more Keyserscheie. A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. Amen. -- Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier than thou christians discriminate against gay. The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian" counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work, perhaps as ministers. I would expect any counselors with whom you associate to be hard core liberals, or you wouldn't be associating with them for long. Again, a private counselor should be able to treat whomever they wish. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:44:06 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal beliefs are kept...personal. Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you. If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling. Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it. How would the fair Dr G deal with a person who was too prejudiced for her to stand and constantly blaming their disfunction on some minority group instead of trying to understand her proposed therapy? I am sure she has had people too violent to treat. Our counselor friend used to work with Charlotte Correctional, perhaps the most dangerous facility in Florida. (I saw a guy get killed there.) She said there were some inmates she was simply not comfortable being in a room with. She ended up getting out of there and moving to teaching. |
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