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On 4/11/16 3:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:14:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/11/16 3:01 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:44:06 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal beliefs are kept...personal. Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you. If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling. Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it. How would the fair Dr G deal with a person who was too prejudiced for her to stand and constantly blaming their disfunction on some minority group instead of trying to understand her proposed therapy? I am sure she has had people too violent to treat. Our counselor friend used to work with Charlotte Correctional, perhaps the most dangerous facility in Florida. (I saw a guy get killed there.) She said there were some inmates she was simply not comfortable being in a room with. She ended up getting out of there and moving to teaching. My wife spent a year as a therapist on a state fellowship at one of Florida's 650-bed "forensic" mental hospitals. I doubt there was any serious mental illness she did not encounter during her service there, including the sort of paranoia you described and worse, and after that she worked at a juvenile facility, a county mental health agency, and was the lead therapist at a large hospital in the Jacksonville area. She's seen everything. She's occasionally called as an "expert witness" in some *difficult* cases. At the state facility, she related the saga of an inmate/patient who told her that if she were released, she would head home and kill her mother and sister. So Dr. K advocated that it was not time to release the woman. She was overruled. The woman was released, went home, and killed her mother and sister. :( When she worked at the county facility, she had court-assigned cases involving spouse/child beaters, and several of these fellows were considered dangerous. She had a button on her desk that if pressed would sound a buzzer and immediately open the door and allow the entrance of a very large, uniformed, and armed county deputy who would whisk the offender straight to the lockup. The guys I am talking about are drug gang hitters and all around hard core criminals who may have even killed someone in prison, not just your regular neurotic kill your brother in law folks. Was she at G. Pierce Wood? That was one of my projects when they renovated it. The guy said there were two levels of criminally insane there, people who killed their family and people who killed their family, cooked them and ate them. North Florida State Hospital, McClenney...west of Jacksonville, along I-10. |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:44:06 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/11/16 2:10 PM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:08:58 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...hate: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. ...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße. A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. Amen. -- Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier than thou christians discriminate against gay. The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian" counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work, perhaps as ministers. Where I tend to agree with you is why they even need this law. Don't private counselors already have the ability to pass on a patient they do not think they can help? If you start right out believing the person is an abomination, how helpful would your advice be? It is like the people bitching about a baker who won't make you a cake. Would you really want food from someone who doesn't like you? I bet it would not be their best effort. "oops, way too much salt" "oh well". The idea that they couldn't find a gay friendly florist was even more ludicrous. It is hard to find a florist that doesn't have at least one gay person working there. Counselor: " My beliefs are 180 degrees out of kilter with yours. But, if you want to keep coming here and talking for 50 minutes a week, I'll take the $300 to sit here. Won't be able to give you much in the way of advice though." I'd think that would solve the problem. The counselor is not turning anyone away, just being up front. -- The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal beliefs are kept...personal. Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you. If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling. Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it. One does not have to be a Christian or believe in Jesus to be anti-LBGTBZ. Hell, one does not even have to be religious. You haven't a clue as to what I do or don't know about mental health counselors. A professional counselor may refer a person in need to one who is better able to assist with the individual's problems. The professional counselors must decide for themselves if their bias (and I'm not saying it's bad to have a bias) will affect their ability to provide what the patient needs. Therefore, they should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:24:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/11/16 3:51 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:14:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/11/16 3:01 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:44:06 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal beliefs are kept...personal. Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you. If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling. Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it. How would the fair Dr G deal with a person who was too prejudiced for her to stand and constantly blaming their disfunction on some minority group instead of trying to understand her proposed therapy? I am sure she has had people too violent to treat. Our counselor friend used to work with Charlotte Correctional, perhaps the most dangerous facility in Florida. (I saw a guy get killed there.) She said there were some inmates she was simply not comfortable being in a room with. She ended up getting out of there and moving to teaching. My wife spent a year as a therapist on a state fellowship at one of Florida's 650-bed "forensic" mental hospitals. I doubt there was any serious mental illness she did not encounter during her service there, including the sort of paranoia you described and worse, and after that she worked at a juvenile facility, a county mental health agency, and was the lead therapist at a large hospital in the Jacksonville area. She's seen everything. She's occasionally called as an "expert witness" in some *difficult* cases. At the state facility, she related the saga of an inmate/patient who told her that if she were released, she would head home and kill her mother and sister. So Dr. K advocated that it was not time to release the woman. She was overruled. The woman was released, went home, and killed her mother and sister. :( When she worked at the county facility, she had court-assigned cases involving spouse/child beaters, and several of these fellows were considered dangerous. She had a button on her desk that if pressed would sound a buzzer and immediately open the door and allow the entrance of a very large, uniformed, and armed county deputy who would whisk the offender straight to the lockup. The guys I am talking about are drug gang hitters and all around hard core criminals who may have even killed someone in prison, not just your regular neurotic kill your brother in law folks. Was she at G. Pierce Wood? That was one of my projects when they renovated it. The guy said there were two levels of criminally insane there, people who killed their family and people who killed their family, cooked them and ate them. North Florida State Hospital, McClenney...west of Jacksonville, along I-10. I'll bet she paid her taxes down there too. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 4/11/16 4:41 PM, Keine Keyserschei�e wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:44:06 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/11/16 2:10 PM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:08:58 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...hate: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. ...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße. A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. Amen. -- Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier than thou christians discriminate against gay. The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian" counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work, perhaps as ministers. Where I tend to agree with you is why they even need this law. Don't private counselors already have the ability to pass on a patient they do not think they can help? If you start right out believing the person is an abomination, how helpful would your advice be? It is like the people bitching about a baker who won't make you a cake. Would you really want food from someone who doesn't like you? I bet it would not be their best effort. "oops, way too much salt" "oh well". The idea that they couldn't find a gay friendly florist was even more ludicrous. It is hard to find a florist that doesn't have at least one gay person working there. Counselor: " My beliefs are 180 degrees out of kilter with yours. But, if you want to keep coming here and talking for 50 minutes a week, I'll take the $300 to sit here. Won't be able to give you much in the way of advice though." I'd think that would solve the problem. The counselor is not turning anyone away, just being up front. -- The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal beliefs are kept...personal. Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you. If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling. Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it. One does not have to be a Christian or believe in Jesus to be anti-LBGTBZ. Hell, one does not even have to be religious. You haven't a clue as to what I do or don't know about mental health counselors. A professional counselor may refer a person in need to one who is better able to assist with the individual's problems. The professional counselors must decide for themselves if their bias (and I'm not saying it's bad to have a bias) will affect their ability to provide what the patient needs. Therefore, they should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. -- Uh-huh. Obviously, whoever you saw to help you overcome your prejudices wasn't successful. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/11/16 2:10 PM, Keine Keyserschei�e wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:08:58 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/11/16 9:51 AM, Keine Keyserschei?e wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:53:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...hate: This morning, the Tennessee House passed HB 1840/SB1556 by a vote of 68 to 22. This unnecessary bill would allow licensed counselors in private practice to use their own religious beliefs as an excuse for terminating care or referring away clients because of moral objections to how the client identifies. ...along with a lot more Keyserscheiße. A private counselor should be able to treat or not treat whomever they wish. Amen. -- Most professional level mental health counselors treat anyone they feel competent to help. The Tennessee law was passed only to allow holier than thou christians discriminate against gay. The counselors I know, and I know quite a few socially, don't turn away folks who have sexual identifies that veer from "the norm." Good counselors are not judgmental. I suppose some of the "christian" counselors in Tennessee are. They should find a different line of work, perhaps as ministers. Where I tend to agree with you is why they even need this law. Don't private counselors already have the ability to pass on a patient they do not think they can help? If you start right out believing the person is an abomination, how helpful would your advice be? It is like the people bitching about a baker who won't make you a cake. Would you really want food from someone who doesn't like you? I bet it would not be their best effort. "oops, way too much salt" "oh well". The idea that they couldn't find a gay friendly florist was even more ludicrous. It is hard to find a florist that doesn't have at least one gay person working there. Counselor: " My beliefs are 180 degrees out of kilter with yours. But, if you want to keep coming here and talking for 50 minutes a week, I'll take the $300 to sit here. Won't be able to give you much in the way of advice though." I'd think that would solve the problem. The counselor is not turning anyone away, just being up front. -- The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal beliefs are kept...personal. Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you. If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling. Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it. We have a good friend who is a top tier counselor who is now semi-retired. It will recuse himself from some patients. Those he knows well, family, etc. This law basically prevents someone from suing them for non treatment. Sad comment and n the times. Sort of like the serial lawsuit filers using ADA laws. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/11/16 3:51 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:14:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/11/16 3:01 PM, wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:44:06 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: The problem is that you haven't a clue as to what a professional mental health counselor does, or what the purpose of therapy is, or that counselors typically are not judgmental. A professional counselor typically does not turn down a person in need. The counselor's personal beliefs are kept...personal. Most counselors at the top of their profession who have been practicing a long time have seen and heard every aspect of the human condition, and I suspect a lot of what they've encountered would scare the crap out of you. If you want judgmental therapy, go get christian counseling. Whatever your problem, jesus will solve it. How would the fair Dr G deal with a person who was too prejudiced for her to stand and constantly blaming their disfunction on some minority group instead of trying to understand her proposed therapy? I am sure she has had people too violent to treat. Our counselor friend used to work with Charlotte Correctional, perhaps the most dangerous facility in Florida. (I saw a guy get killed there.) She said there were some inmates she was simply not comfortable being in a room with. She ended up getting out of there and moving to teaching. My wife spent a year as a therapist on a state fellowship at one of Florida's 650-bed "forensic" mental hospitals. I doubt there was any serious mental illness she did not encounter during her service there, including the sort of paranoia you described and worse, and after that she worked at a juvenile facility, a county mental health agency, and was the lead therapist at a large hospital in the Jacksonville area. She's seen everything. She's occasionally called as an "expert witness" in some *difficult* cases. At the state facility, she related the saga of an inmate/patient who told her that if she were released, she would head home and kill her mother and sister. So Dr. K advocated that it was not time to release the woman. She was overruled. The woman was released, went home, and killed her mother and sister. :( When she worked at the county facility, she had court-assigned cases involving spouse/child beaters, and several of these fellows were considered dangerous. She had a button on her desk that if pressed would sound a buzzer and immediately open the door and allow the entrance of a very large, uniformed, and armed county deputy who would whisk the offender straight to the lockup. The guys I am talking about are drug gang hitters and all around hard core criminals who may have even killed someone in prison, not just your regular neurotic kill your brother in law folks. Was she at G. Pierce Wood? That was one of my projects when they renovated it. The guy said there were two levels of criminally insane there, people who killed their family and people who killed their family, cooked them and ate them. North Florida State Hospital, McClenney...west of Jacksonville, along I-10. How did she fit that in with her busy schedule at Ullico? |
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