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....while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 08:23:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. Be careful, next you'll be looking at 5th wheel trailers to pull with that Tacoma! My '95 GMC was a five-speed. Same deal with 1st gear. I think I used it once, just to see what it was like. At 3000 rpm the speed may have been 7 mph. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:20:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. We are still hanging on to the Sport Trak. It is not really a truck but it serves the function. I can put a pallet of sod in the back but I would not want to drive far with it. It gets used to haul gas more than anything else. Next would be moving my boat around. My Honda is a 5 speed and that is sporty enough for me. |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:20:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. Funny. Today I was looking at a Mazda 3. Would still keep the truck though. Hard to pull a 5er with a Mazda 3. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. Got to have a pickup. Even when I drove a Rabbit as a daily driver, had an S10 pickup. Looking at an around town car. Rented a Kia Forte in Seattle last fall. Nice car, great milage, not sure how much, but did not take a lot of gas for the amount of running around. Went we pick d it up at the Airport, was not sure of it, but drove nice, quiet, peppy. |
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"Keyser Söze
....while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy." I've looked at the Tacoma while waiting for my semi annual servicing for my Highlander. Found that the roof and windshield seemed low....cut off just above my sight line. Just seemed to bother me. |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 11:06:28 -0500, Califbill
wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. Got to have a pickup. Even when I drove a Rabbit as a daily driver, had an S10 pickup. Looking at an around town car. Rented a Kia Forte in Seattle last fall. Nice car, great milage, not sure how much, but did not take a lot of gas for the amount of running around. Went we pick d it up at the Airport, was not sure of it, but drove nice, quiet, peppy. We have rented quite a few SUV and crossover style vehicles over the years. I had a Sorrento in New Zealand that was pretty nice. Too bad the steering wheel was on the wrong side. ;-) I had a Chrysler mini van in Michigan last month and that was OK too. Lots of doodads. I left them with about 1000 songs on the sound system hard drive. It took a couple of hours to load it but it was playing the whole time so it was not an issue and it picked back up where I left off when I stopped. I think all of them were getting in the mid to high 20mpg range, except the V-8 Suburban we had in the Dakotas. That thing really sucked when I tried a tank of E-85. You could see the MPG drop on the instant read when that worked it's way to the injectors. |
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On 4/1/2016 12:18 PM, True North wrote:
"Keyser Söze ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy." I've looked at the Tacoma while waiting for my semi annual servicing for my Highlander. Found that the roof and windshield seemed low....cut off just above my sight line. Just seemed to bother me. My other half test drove a Ford Edge and loved everything about it... except how the vertical supports in back created a huge blind spot. I tried to tell her that if she used her mirrors properly, she'd never have to turn her head, but she couldn't get past it. She ended up getting a Kia Sorento instead. |
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On 4/1/2016 2:04 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 4/1/2016 12:18 PM, True North wrote: "Keyser Söze ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy." I've looked at the Tacoma while waiting for my semi annual servicing for my Highlander. Found that the roof and windshield seemed low....cut off just above my sight line. Just seemed to bother me. My other half test drove a Ford Edge and loved everything about it... except how the vertical supports in back created a huge blind spot. I tried to tell her that if she used her mirrors properly, she'd never have to turn her head, but she couldn't get past it. She ended up getting a Kia Sorento instead. The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. So far I like it a lot. Drives smooth and quiet, is quick and gets great mileage. |
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On 4/1/2016 1:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/1/2016 2:04 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 4/1/2016 12:18 PM, True North wrote: "Keyser Söze ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy." I've looked at the Tacoma while waiting for my semi annual servicing for my Highlander. Found that the roof and windshield seemed low....cut off just above my sight line. Just seemed to bother me. My other half test drove a Ford Edge and loved everything about it... except how the vertical supports in back created a huge blind spot. I tried to tell her that if she used her mirrors properly, she'd never have to turn her head, but she couldn't get past it. She ended up getting a Kia Sorento instead. The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. So far I like it a lot. Drives smooth and quiet, is quick and gets great mileage. Yeah, the Edge had much of that, too. She just didn't think she could break herself from turning her head to check her blind spot. I have no problem with it... Having a CDL and driving large vehicles that don't have rear window view breaks you of the habit pretty quick. I actually preferred the new Explorer to the Edge as far as the drive goes, but its a little bigger. The only thing I don't like about the new Ford SUV's (and Crossover SUVs) is that for some reason they feel nobody ever needs to store anything under the floor in the cargo area. Things like hitches and basic "oops" things for emergencies... Nowhere to put them! In my old '03 Explorer, I could store things under the all the seats in addition to under the floor in the cargo area. How's the Altima for storage? |
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On 4/1/2016 3:00 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 4/1/2016 1:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 2:04 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 4/1/2016 12:18 PM, True North wrote: "Keyser Söze ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy." I've looked at the Tacoma while waiting for my semi annual servicing for my Highlander. Found that the roof and windshield seemed low....cut off just above my sight line. Just seemed to bother me. My other half test drove a Ford Edge and loved everything about it... except how the vertical supports in back created a huge blind spot. I tried to tell her that if she used her mirrors properly, she'd never have to turn her head, but she couldn't get past it. She ended up getting a Kia Sorento instead. The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. So far I like it a lot. Drives smooth and quiet, is quick and gets great mileage. Yeah, the Edge had much of that, too. She just didn't think she could break herself from turning her head to check her blind spot. I have no problem with it... Having a CDL and driving large vehicles that don't have rear window view breaks you of the habit pretty quick. I actually preferred the new Explorer to the Edge as far as the drive goes, but its a little bigger. The only thing I don't like about the new Ford SUV's (and Crossover SUVs) is that for some reason they feel nobody ever needs to store anything under the floor in the cargo area. Things like hitches and basic "oops" things for emergencies... Nowhere to put them! In my old '03 Explorer, I could store things under the all the seats in addition to under the floor in the cargo area. How's the Altima for storage? No "special" storage areas that I know of other than the trunk which is good sized. The rear seats also fold down to give more space for long objects. Actually, I haven't really inspected the truck area yet. Must be a spare tire in there somewhere but I haven't seen it yet. |
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On 4/1/16 2:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/1/2016 2:04 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 4/1/2016 12:18 PM, True North wrote: "Keyser Söze ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy." I've looked at the Tacoma while waiting for my semi annual servicing for my Highlander. Found that the roof and windshield seemed low....cut off just above my sight line. Just seemed to bother me. My other half test drove a Ford Edge and loved everything about it... except how the vertical supports in back created a huge blind spot. I tried to tell her that if she used her mirrors properly, she'd never have to turn her head, but she couldn't get past it. She ended up getting a Kia Sorento instead. The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. So far I like it a lot. Drives smooth and quiet, is quick and gets great mileage. My father in law had an Altima I sometimes would borrow when we were in Florida. Nice driving car, peppy, as you say. I thought the exhaust was a little boomy and for me, the car was so low to the ground that getting out annoyed my knees. Also, and I have found other Altima drivers had the same complaint: whatever mechanisms keep the doors open when you are getting out are pretty weak...they close on their own too easily. But, in all, an impressive little sedan. |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have a hard time making myself drive on TV. I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel. There have been a few times in my life where doing something the computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting killed. It only takes one. |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:00:45 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote: Yeah, the Edge had much of that, too. She just didn't think she could break herself from turning her head to check her blind spot. I have no problem with it... Having a CDL and driving large vehicles that don't have rear window view breaks you of the habit pretty quick. My wife has an MKX, that is just a Lincoln version of the Edge. Really just a notch up on the trim package. We like it |
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On 4/1/2016 3:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/1/16 2:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 2:04 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 4/1/2016 12:18 PM, True North wrote: "Keyser Söze ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy." I've looked at the Tacoma while waiting for my semi annual servicing for my Highlander. Found that the roof and windshield seemed low....cut off just above my sight line. Just seemed to bother me. My other half test drove a Ford Edge and loved everything about it... except how the vertical supports in back created a huge blind spot. I tried to tell her that if she used her mirrors properly, she'd never have to turn her head, but she couldn't get past it. She ended up getting a Kia Sorento instead. The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. So far I like it a lot. Drives smooth and quiet, is quick and gets great mileage. My father in law had an Altima I sometimes would borrow when we were in Florida. Nice driving car, peppy, as you say. I thought the exhaust was a little boomy and for me, the car was so low to the ground that getting out annoyed my knees. Also, and I have found other Altima drivers had the same complaint: whatever mechanisms keep the doors open when you are getting out are pretty weak...they close on their own too easily. But, in all, an impressive little sedan. My only complaint is that the window sill is high and my arm feels unnatural when I drive with the window open and my elbow on the sill. But, most of the time the window is closed using heat or A/C so I'll get used to it. One thing I've noticed ... some other drivers are more aggressive and are prone to pull out from a side road in front of me whereas with the truck I think they are are little more intimidated by it's size. I'll get used to it. Gas mileage is still blowing me away. Not used to that. |
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On 4/1/16 5:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/1/2016 3:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/1/16 2:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 2:04 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 4/1/2016 12:18 PM, True North wrote: "Keyser Söze ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy." I've looked at the Tacoma while waiting for my semi annual servicing for my Highlander. Found that the roof and windshield seemed low....cut off just above my sight line. Just seemed to bother me. My other half test drove a Ford Edge and loved everything about it... except how the vertical supports in back created a huge blind spot. I tried to tell her that if she used her mirrors properly, she'd never have to turn her head, but she couldn't get past it. She ended up getting a Kia Sorento instead. The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. So far I like it a lot. Drives smooth and quiet, is quick and gets great mileage. My father in law had an Altima I sometimes would borrow when we were in Florida. Nice driving car, peppy, as you say. I thought the exhaust was a little boomy and for me, the car was so low to the ground that getting out annoyed my knees. Also, and I have found other Altima drivers had the same complaint: whatever mechanisms keep the doors open when you are getting out are pretty weak...they close on their own too easily. But, in all, an impressive little sedan. My only complaint is that the window sill is high and my arm feels unnatural when I drive with the window open and my elbow on the sill. But, most of the time the window is closed using heat or A/C so I'll get used to it. One thing I've noticed ... some other drivers are more aggressive and are prone to pull out from a side road in front of me whereas with the truck I think they are are little more intimidated by it's size. I'll get used to it. Gas mileage is still blowing me away. Not used to that. Yup 30+ if you don't have a lead foot. Real nice for a decently sized car. |
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wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have a hard time making myself drive on TV. I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel. There have been a few times in my life where doing something the computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting killed. It only takes one. I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera is nice for that. |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:37:10 -0500, Califbill
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have a hard time making myself drive on TV. I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel. There have been a few times in my life where doing something the computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting killed. It only takes one. I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera is nice for that. I guess I drove a truck with nothing but mirrors. It just looks like something else to break, providing very little for someone who looks around. Maybe it is good for hitting a trailer hitch or something but that is not that big a deal for me. A truck tag should have a few dents in it ;-) |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:37:10 -0500, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have a hard time making myself drive on TV. I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel. There have been a few times in my life where doing something the computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting killed. It only takes one. I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera is nice for that. Yup, mine has helped me see cars on my butt at shopping centers. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. It's nice that she has chores to keep you busy! |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. This must be an April Fools joke. You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right? |
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Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
- show quoted text - "This must be an April Fools joke. *You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? *You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right?" Some people are more concerned about the environment than looking like a big shot. |
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Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text - "I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must for backing the van/mini bus I drive. *However, the design and shape of many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. *The old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. *The image on the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches. Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. *I wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something as radical as backing up a car using a camera. *:-)" My first back up camera came with my 2013 Highlander. Now I won't be without one. It's a basic model without the helpful, guide lines and the screen is fairly small vs the higher end versions on the more expensive Highlander.. |
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True North wrote:
Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... - show quoted text - "This must be an April Fools joke. You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right?" Some people are more concerned about the environment than looking like a big shot. Are you attacking me or Luddite? He has had some very nice cars that were much better than my Z4 and ML550. |
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True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must for backing the van/mini bus I drive. However, the design and shape of many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. The old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. The image on the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches. Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. I wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something as radical as backing up a car using a camera. :-)" My first back up camera came with my 2013 Highlander. Now I won't be without one. It's a basic model without the helpful, guide lines and the screen is fairly small vs the higher end versions on the more expensive Highlander. Yet you still can't back up a trailer? |
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On 4/1/2016 9:33 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. This must be an April Fools joke. You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right? I grew up. |
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On 4/1/2016 10:46 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... - show quoted text - "This must be an April Fools joke. You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right?" Some people are more concerned about the environment than looking like a big shot. Are you attacking me or Luddite? He has had some very nice cars that were much better than my Z4 and ML550. True, I went through a phase of having some high performance cars but they aren't very practical unless you have a race track in your back yard. I am also at least 10 years older now and don't have the need for speed or neck snapping acceleration. |
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 01:53:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: True, I went through a phase of having some high performance cars but they aren't very practical unless you have a race track in your back yard. I am also at least 10 years older now and don't have the need for speed or neck snapping acceleration. I know what you mean, I got that put of my system in the Nixon administration. (a competitive "street stock" drag racer, then a Corvette) I still like zippy little cars but my old Honda Prelude is plenty for me and it is good on gas. |
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On 4/2/2016 5:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:33:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/1/2016 8:04 PM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:37:10 -0500, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left. There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot. I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have a hard time making myself drive on TV. I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel. There have been a few times in my life where doing something the computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting killed. It only takes one. I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera is nice for that. I guess I drove a truck with nothing but mirrors. It just looks like something else to break, providing very little for someone who looks around. Maybe it is good for hitting a trailer hitch or something but that is not that big a deal for me. A truck tag should have a few dents in it ;-) I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must for backing the van/mini bus I drive. However, the design and shape of many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. The old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. The image on the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches. Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. I wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something as radical as backing up a car using a camera. :-) Im an old trucker, I just use the mirrors, no "craning my neck" ... and I only have one W/98 machine. ;-) It is still running, doing the job assigned to it, why change? It has not crashed and it runs unattended for years between reboots. I can understand that. If it has a dedicated use and the software the use requires runs ok, there's no reason to change. My guitar building friend still uses a Win 98 laptop to run a small CNC machine that he uses to make inlays and rosettes for guitars. Otherwise, he's a Mac guy. |
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On 4/2/16 1:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/1/2016 9:33 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. This must be an April Fools joke. You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right? I grew up. You probably don't own 47 firearms, either. |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 22:47:40 -0400, Alex wrote:
True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must for backing the van/mini bus I drive. However, the design and shape of many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. The old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. The image on the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches. Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. I wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something as radical as backing up a car using a camera. :-)" My first back up camera came with my 2013 Highlander. Now I won't be without one. It's a basic model without the helpful, guide lines and the screen is fairly small vs the higher end versions on the more expensive Highlander. Yet you still can't back up a trailer? They do not help backing up a trailer, other than to ensure the trailer is still there! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 22:46:37 -0400, Alex wrote:
True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... - show quoted text - "This must be an April Fools joke. You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right?" Some people are more concerned about the environment than looking like a big shot. Are you attacking me or Luddite? He has had some very nice cars that were much better than my Z4 and ML550. If someone gave me a Z3, I'd take it. But I'm not wild about the styling of the Z4. Maybe I'm just a 'softy'. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 1:50:19 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/1/2016 9:33 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. This must be an April Fools joke. You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right? I grew up. Nah, you got old. ;-) |
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 07:10:02 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/2/16 1:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 9:33 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/1/2016 8:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...while waiting for routine service to be completed on my wife's car, I test drove a 2016 Toyota Tacoma truck. What a sweet ride...made even sweeter by the presence of its six speed manual transmission. The last time I drove a pickup truck with a stick shift, it was back in the late 1950's, at my dad's boat store. I think it was a four speed, but you started in second because first was there only to get the truck rolling if you were pulling something really heavy. I just bought a new ride. I've been thinking of getting a more comfortable vehicle for a while and tried out several of the "mid-sized" offerings. Ended up with a Nissan Altima SL. It's the four-banger with the continuously variable transmission. Nissan also offers a 3.5L six but I don't know why anyone would need the extra horsepower. The 2.5L four moves the car along surprisingly well. After almost two weeks of driving a mix of highway and around town it is averaging between 32 and 33 mpg. Far cry from the 12 to 13 mpg with the Ford Superduty. Gonna hold onto the truck though, at least for a while. Sometimes only a truck will do. This must be an April Fools joke. You've moved to cars from a different continent and you bought the "slow" one to save money on gas? You are the same guy that had that M5 and 911, right? I grew up. You probably don't own 47 firearms, either. I'll bet he doesn't take and post pictures of his ammo either! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns! |
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John H.
- show quoted text - "They do not help backing up a trailer, other than to ensure the trailer is still there!" Bingo! Maybe Ditzy thinks the cameras have an X-ray option to look through the boat and see what's behind the trailer. |
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On the other hand, a wifi camera positioned temporarily on the boat's stern and with the receiver screen on the dash might make backing into a narrow area enjoyable. Maybe I can get the wider boat after all.
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