wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I
don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that
detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left.
There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if
a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected
on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as
well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool
also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where
you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also
an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot.

I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself
looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I
suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have
a hard time making myself drive on TV.
I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car
deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel.
There have been a few times in my life where doing something the
computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting
killed. It only takes one.


I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or
truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera
is nice for that.

On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:37:10 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I
don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that
detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left.
There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if
a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected
on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as
well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool
also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where
you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also
an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot.

I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself
looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I
suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have
a hard time making myself drive on TV.
I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car
deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel.
There have been a few times in my life where doing something the
computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting
killed. It only takes one.


I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or
truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera
is nice for that.

I guess I drove a truck with nothing but mirrors. It just looks like
something else to break, providing very little for someone who looks
around.
Maybe it is good for hitting a trailer hitch or something but that is
not that big a deal for me. A truck tag should have a few dents in it
;-)

On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 20:04:58 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:37:10 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I
don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that
detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left.
There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if
a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected
on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as
well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool
also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where
you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also
an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot.

I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself
looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I
suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have
a hard time making myself drive on TV.
I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car
deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel.
There have been a few times in my life where doing something the
computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting
killed. It only takes one.


I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or
truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera
is nice for that.

I guess I drove a truck with nothing but mirrors. It just looks like
something else to break, providing very little for someone who looks
around.
Maybe it is good for hitting a trailer hitch or something but that is
not that big a deal for me. A truck tag should have a few dents in it
;-)

Well, if it breaks we're back where we started, eh?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns!

On 4/1/2016 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:37:10 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I
don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that
detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left.
There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if
a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected
on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as
well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool
also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where
you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also
an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot.

I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself
looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I
suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have
a hard time making myself drive on TV.
I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car
deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel.
There have been a few times in my life where doing something the
computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting
killed. It only takes one.


I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or
truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera
is nice for that.

I guess I drove a truck with nothing but mirrors. It just looks like
something else to break, providing very little for someone who looks
around.
Maybe it is good for hitting a trailer hitch or something but that is
not that big a deal for me. A truck tag should have a few dents in it
;-)



I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must
for backing the van/mini bus I drive. However, the design and shape of
many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. The
old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and
craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the
high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus
the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't
see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. The image on
the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches.

Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. I
wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something
as radical as backing up a car using a camera. :-)

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must
for backing the van/mini bus I drive. *However, the design and shape of
many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. *The
old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and
craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the
high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus
the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't
see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. *The image on
the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches.

Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. *I
wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something
as radical as backing up a car using a camera. *:-)"


My first back up camera came with my 2013 Highlander. Now I won't be without one. It's a basic model without the helpful, guide lines and the screen is fairly small vs the higher end versions on the more expensive Highlander..

True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must
for backing the van/mini bus I drive. However, the design and shape of
many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. The
old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and
craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the
high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus
the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't
see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. The image on
the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches.

Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. I
wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something
as radical as backing up a car using a camera. :-)"


My first back up camera came with my 2013 Highlander. Now I won't be without one. It's a basic model without the helpful, guide lines and the screen is fairly small vs the higher end versions on the more expensive Highlander.


Yet you still can't back up a trailer?

On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 22:47:40 -0400, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must
for backing the van/mini bus I drive. However, the design and shape of
many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. The
old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and
craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the
high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus
the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't
see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. The image on
the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches.

Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. I
wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something
as radical as backing up a car using a camera. :-)"


My first back up camera came with my 2013 Highlander. Now I won't be without one. It's a basic model without the helpful, guide lines and the screen is fairly small vs the higher end versions on the more expensive Highlander.


Yet you still can't back up a trailer?

They do not help backing up a trailer, other than to ensure the trailer is still
there!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, juvenile name-callers, and narcissists...not guns!

John H.
- show quoted text -
"They do not help backing up a trailer, other than to ensure the trailer is still
there!"


Bingo! Maybe Ditzy thinks the cameras have an X-ray option to look through the boat and see what's behind the trailer.

On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:33:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/1/2016 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:37:10 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I
don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that
detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left.
There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if
a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected
on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as
well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool
also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where
you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also
an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot.

I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself
looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I
suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have
a hard time making myself drive on TV.
I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car
deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel.
There have been a few times in my life where doing something the
computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting
killed. It only takes one.


I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or
truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera
is nice for that.

I guess I drove a truck with nothing but mirrors. It just looks like
something else to break, providing very little for someone who looks
around.
Maybe it is good for hitting a trailer hitch or something but that is
not that big a deal for me. A truck tag should have a few dents in it
;-)



I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must
for backing the van/mini bus I drive. However, the design and shape of
many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. The
old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and
craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the
high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus
the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't
see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. The image on
the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches.

Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. I
wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something
as radical as backing up a car using a camera. :-)


Im an old trucker, I just use the mirrors, no "craning my neck" ...
and I only have one W/98 machine. ;-)

It is still running, doing the job assigned to it, why change? It has
not crashed and it runs unattended for years between reboots.

On 4/2/2016 5:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:33:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/1/2016 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:37:10 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:45:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



The Altima has a nice feature .... maybe all cars have them now ... I
don't know. It has sensors in the outside rear view mirrors that
detect if another car is pulling up along side you on the right or left.
There are small lights inside the car near the mirrors that light up if
a car is detected. If you put your blinker on while a car is detected
on the side that you intend to make a lane change, a chime goes off as
well as the light to warn you. The rear facing camera is pretty cool
also. When backing and turning the steering wheel, an outline of where
you are backing moves with the steering wheel movements. There's also
an alternate view that gives you a wider screen shot.

I have rented several cars with backup cameras and I never find myself
looking at it. I learned with mirrors and that works fine with me. I
suppose if you have kids running around it might be handy. I just have
a hard time making myself drive on TV.
I am OK with a warning buzzer but I definitely DO NOT want my car
deciding when to hit the brakes or stop me from turning the wheel.
There have been a few times in my life where doing something the
computer might think was unsafe was the only way to avoid getting
killed. It only takes one.


I like the backup cameras. See if a cart or short people behind the car or
truck. My Chevy 2500 does have a blind spot behind the tailgate. Camera
is nice for that.

I guess I drove a truck with nothing but mirrors. It just looks like
something else to break, providing very little for someone who looks
around.
Maybe it is good for hitting a trailer hitch or something but that is
not that big a deal for me. A truck tag should have a few dents in it
;-)



I've always used the mirrors for backing with the truck and it's a must
for backing the van/mini bus I drive. However, the design and shape of
many of the new cars today make a back up camera very nice to have. The
old method of putting your arm up on the front passenger's seat back and
craning your neck around to look out the back is difficult due to the
high seat backs and head rests on both the front and rear seats, plus
the camera gives you a view right up to the rear bumper that you can't
see with mirrors or by turning around to look backwards. The image on
the newer cameras is excellent and the display in the Altima is 7 inches.

Then again, I can understand your reluctance to embrace them. I
wouldn't expect someone who still uses Win 98 to accept something
as radical as backing up a car using a camera. :-)


Im an old trucker, I just use the mirrors, no "craning my neck" ...
and I only have one W/98 machine. ;-)

It is still running, doing the job assigned to it, why change? It has
not crashed and it runs unattended for years between reboots.



I can understand that. If it has a dedicated use and the software the
use requires runs ok, there's no reason to change. My guitar building
friend still uses a Win 98 laptop to run a small CNC machine that he
uses to make inlays and rosettes for guitars. Otherwise, he's a Mac guy.