On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced
with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke
outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had.
they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not
standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror.


No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never
own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows.
Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards
(diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones.


I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be
lighter and you don't need as big a one.


Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't
forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds.

The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for
that boat?

Don't you ever get sick of yourself?
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On 2/23/16 6:50 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced
with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke
outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had.
they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not
standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror.


No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never
own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows.
Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards
(diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones.


I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be
lighter and you don't need as big a one.


Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't
forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds.

The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for
that boat?

Don't you ever get sick of yourself?
--




The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.

Of course, the BOSE model is smaller but more expensive.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 7:19:02 PM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:50 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced
with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke
outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had.
they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not
standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror.


No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never
own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows.
Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards
(diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones.


I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be
lighter and you don't need as big a one.


Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't
forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds.

The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for
that boat?

Don't you ever get sick of yourself?
--




The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.

Of course, the BOSE model is smaller but more expensive.

Don't you ever get sick of yourself, **** for brains?

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:25:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Nofinger wrote:

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 7:19:02 PM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:50 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced
with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke
outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had.
they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not
standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror.


No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never
own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows.
Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards
(diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones.


I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be
lighter and you don't need as big a one.


Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't
forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds.

The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for
that boat?

Don't you ever get sick of yourself?
--




The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.

Of course, the BOSE model is smaller but more expensive.

Don't you ever get sick of yourself, **** for brains?

He keeps 'himself' in the 'do not think about' column.
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On 2/24/16 11:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:25:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Nofinger wrote:

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 7:19:02 PM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:50 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced
with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke
outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had.
they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not
standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror.


No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never
own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows.
Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards
(diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones.


I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be
lighter and you don't need as big a one.


Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't
forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds.

The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for
that boat?

Don't you ever get sick of yourself?
--




The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.

Of course, the BOSE model is smaller but more expensive.

Don't you ever get sick of yourself, **** for brains?

He keeps 'himself' in the 'do not think about' column.
--


Did Nofingers lose them when he shoved his hand up his ass?

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:49:41 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/24/16 11:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:25:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Nofinger wrote:

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 7:19:02 PM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:50 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced
with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke
outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had.
they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not
standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror.


No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never
own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows.
Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards
(diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones.


I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be
lighter and you don't need as big a one.


Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't
forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds.

The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for
that boat?

Don't you ever get sick of yourself?
--




The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.

Of course, the BOSE model is smaller but more expensive.

Don't you ever get sick of yourself, **** for brains?

He keeps 'himself' in the 'do not think about' column.
--


Did Nofingers lose them when he shoved his hand up his ass?

Did you inherit that mind?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/23/16 6:50 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced
with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke
outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had.
they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up
and not
standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror.


No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd
never
own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows.
Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and
inboards
(diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones.


I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be
lighter and you don't need as big a one.


Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't
forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds.

The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is
thinking 250hp for
that boat?

Don't you ever get sick of yourself?
--




The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.

Of course, the BOSE model is smaller but more expensive.


Your guess is wrong.

wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:18:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:



The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.


I am surprised it is not MUCH higher since it would be a custom made
motor.Yamaha does not make a 135
OTOH you can get a 150 for less than 12k
http://www.boats.net/outboard_motor/...0HP/parts.html

Yamaha F150LB Four Stroke In-Line 466 lb

If you can find a 150 I/O with the drive and all of the other stuff
you need for that, buy it. Then we will look at your maintenance costs
over 10 years or so.



Ahh, I meant 150 like the Tammy I had. Merc makes or made a 135.

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On 2/24/16 9:18 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 23:01:03 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:18:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:



The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.


I am surprised it is not MUCH higher since it would be a custom made
motor.Yamaha does not make a 135
OTOH you can get a 150 for less than 12k
http://www.boats.net/outboard_motor/...0HP/parts.html

Yamaha F150LB Four Stroke In-Line 466 lb

If you can find a 150 I/O with the drive and all of the other stuff
you need for that, buy it. Then we will look at your maintenance costs
over 10 years or so.



Ahh, I meant 150 like the Tammy I had. Merc makes or made a 135.

Merc hasn't made a 135 since the old tower of power days. AFAIK
You can get in a merc 150 for about 11k tho and the 115 I was looking
at was ~8k a couple years ago. I paid less than 7 for my 70 with all
of the rigging hardware. Yamaha usually comes with about $1000
premium. If the 60 was still US made I would have bought one. They
were going for about $6000 dropped in my driveway.

I did read several articles last night about I/O vs outboard and they
all say the I/O is heavier by hundreds of pounds. Most also use re
purposed car or truck motors. Mercruiser is making their own blocks
these days. I did have a hard time finding comparable hulls with
outboard or I/O except a few Tracker pontoon boats so the price thing
is still up in the air but price should include maintenance



I had a Merc 135 made and bought new in this century.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 09:20:16 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/24/16 9:18 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 23:01:03 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:18:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:



The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I
would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that
horsepower for that money.


I am surprised it is not MUCH higher since it would be a custom made
motor.Yamaha does not make a 135
OTOH you can get a 150 for less than 12k
http://www.boats.net/outboard_motor/...0HP/parts.html

Yamaha F150LB Four Stroke In-Line 466 lb

If you can find a 150 I/O with the drive and all of the other stuff
you need for that, buy it. Then we will look at your maintenance costs
over 10 years or so.



Ahh, I meant 150 like the Tammy I had. Merc makes or made a 135.

Merc hasn't made a 135 since the old tower of power days. AFAIK
You can get in a merc 150 for about 11k tho and the 115 I was looking
at was ~8k a couple years ago. I paid less than 7 for my 70 with all
of the rigging hardware. Yamaha usually comes with about $1000
premium. If the 60 was still US made I would have bought one. They
were going for about $6000 dropped in my driveway.

I did read several articles last night about I/O vs outboard and they
all say the I/O is heavier by hundreds of pounds. Most also use re
purposed car or truck motors. Mercruiser is making their own blocks
these days. I did have a hard time finding comparable hulls with
outboard or I/O except a few Tracker pontoon boats so the price thing
is still up in the air but price should include maintenance



I had a Merc 135 made and bought new in this century.

Is that the kicker for those twin Volvo diesels in that imaginary trawler?
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