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Harry could have written this
First, we can't ever lose sight of the strategic policy guiding our
work: defeat the extreme right and GOP, its oligarchic backers, defend the presidency and break the GOP grip on Congress, statehouses and governorships. In addition we must work at ensuring attempts to appointment extremist, pro-segregationist justices to the U.S. Supreme Court are blocked. Whatever the outcome in the Democratic primaries we will contribute to building unity of a broad left-center, multi-class, multi-racial, male-female, multi-generational alliance of forces for the general election. Building such a multi-class alliance that includes the Democratic Party establishment or corporate wing will be a greater challenge if Sanders is nominated, but not impossible. We have to continue to convey our anti-extreme right strategy to the broader movement, especially the first time and young voters, so that no matter the nominee, all will join in the general election mobilization. Without question there are serious problems and weaknesses with the Clinton campaign. Clinton carries a lot of historic baggage including her ties to Wall Street, hawkishness on foreign policy, etc. It is so obviously unseemly and tone deaf to accept such large "speaking" fees from Wall Street. But we know this already. **************** It comes from the American Communist Party http://www.cpusa.org/taking-a-sober-...2016-election/ Nuff said? |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:02:40 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 2/12/16 12:43 PM, wrote: First, we can't ever lose sight of the strategic policy guiding our work: defeat the extreme right and GOP, its oligarchic backers, defend the presidency and break the GOP grip on Congress, statehouses and governorships. Sounds like a good idea... In addition we must work at ensuring attempts to appointment extremist, pro-segregationist justices to the U.S. Supreme Court are blocked. Absolutely... Whatever the outcome in the Democratic primaries we will contribute to building unity of a broad left-center, multi-class, multi-racial, male-female, multi-generational alliance of forces for the general election. Bring everyone together...great... Building such a multi-class alliance that includes the Democratic Party establishment or corporate wing will be a greater challenge if Sanders is nominated, but not impossible. Probably true... We have to continue to convey our anti-extreme right strategy to the broader movement, especially the first time and young voters, so that no matter the nominee, all will join in the general election mobilization. Indeed, the enemy is the extreme right... Without question there are serious problems and weaknesses with the Clinton campaign. Clinton carries a lot of historic baggage including her ties to Wall Street, hawkishness on foreign policy, etc. It is so obviously unseemly and tone deaf to accept such large "speaking" fees from Wall Street. But we know this already. Correct... **************** It comes from the American Communist Party http://www.cpusa.org/taking-a-sober-...2016-election/ Nuff said? Yeah, those Commies seem to know what is at stake in 2016... Progress versus regression... From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. |
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On 2/12/2016 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:02:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 12:43 PM, wrote: First, we can't ever lose sight of the strategic policy guiding our work: defeat the extreme right and GOP, its oligarchic backers, defend the presidency and break the GOP grip on Congress, statehouses and governorships. Sounds like a good idea... In addition we must work at ensuring attempts to appointment extremist, pro-segregationist justices to the U.S. Supreme Court are blocked. Absolutely... Whatever the outcome in the Democratic primaries we will contribute to building unity of a broad left-center, multi-class, multi-racial, male-female, multi-generational alliance of forces for the general election. Bring everyone together...great... Building such a multi-class alliance that includes the Democratic Party establishment or corporate wing will be a greater challenge if Sanders is nominated, but not impossible. Probably true... We have to continue to convey our anti-extreme right strategy to the broader movement, especially the first time and young voters, so that no matter the nominee, all will join in the general election mobilization. Indeed, the enemy is the extreme right... Without question there are serious problems and weaknesses with the Clinton campaign. Clinton carries a lot of historic baggage including her ties to Wall Street, hawkishness on foreign policy, etc. It is so obviously unseemly and tone deaf to accept such large "speaking" fees from Wall Street. But we know this already. Correct... **************** It comes from the American Communist Party http://www.cpusa.org/taking-a-sober-...2016-election/ Nuff said? Yeah, those Commies seem to know what is at stake in 2016... Progress versus regression... From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. Its sad that the Democrats have a choice between a criminal and a Communist this election cycle. Of course, the Republicans currently have known Democrat as their front-runner... |
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On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:02:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 12:43 PM, wrote: First, we can't ever lose sight of the strategic policy guiding our work: defeat the extreme right and GOP, its oligarchic backers, defend the presidency and break the GOP grip on Congress, statehouses and governorships. Sounds like a good idea... In addition we must work at ensuring attempts to appointment extremist, pro-segregationist justices to the U.S. Supreme Court are blocked. Absolutely... Whatever the outcome in the Democratic primaries we will contribute to building unity of a broad left-center, multi-class, multi-racial, male-female, multi-generational alliance of forces for the general election. Bring everyone together...great... Building such a multi-class alliance that includes the Democratic Party establishment or corporate wing will be a greater challenge if Sanders is nominated, but not impossible. Probably true... We have to continue to convey our anti-extreme right strategy to the broader movement, especially the first time and young voters, so that no matter the nominee, all will join in the general election mobilization. Indeed, the enemy is the extreme right... Without question there are serious problems and weaknesses with the Clinton campaign. Clinton carries a lot of historic baggage including her ties to Wall Street, hawkishness on foreign policy, etc. It is so obviously unseemly and tone deaf to accept such large "speaking" fees from Wall Street. But we know this already. Correct... **************** It comes from the American Communist Party http://www.cpusa.org/taking-a-sober-...2016-election/ Nuff said? Yeah, those Commies seem to know what is at stake in 2016... Progress versus regression... From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? |
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On 2/12/2016 1:42 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:02:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 12:43 PM, wrote: First, we can't ever lose sight of the strategic policy guiding our work: defeat the extreme right and GOP, its oligarchic backers, defend the presidency and break the GOP grip on Congress, statehouses and governorships. Sounds like a good idea... In addition we must work at ensuring attempts to appointment extremist, pro-segregationist justices to the U.S. Supreme Court are blocked. Absolutely... Whatever the outcome in the Democratic primaries we will contribute to building unity of a broad left-center, multi-class, multi-racial, male-female, multi-generational alliance of forces for the general election. Bring everyone together...great... Building such a multi-class alliance that includes the Democratic Party establishment or corporate wing will be a greater challenge if Sanders is nominated, but not impossible. Probably true... We have to continue to convey our anti-extreme right strategy to the broader movement, especially the first time and young voters, so that no matter the nominee, all will join in the general election mobilization. Indeed, the enemy is the extreme right... Without question there are serious problems and weaknesses with the Clinton campaign. Clinton carries a lot of historic baggage including her ties to Wall Street, hawkishness on foreign policy, etc. It is so obviously unseemly and tone deaf to accept such large "speaking" fees from Wall Street. But we know this already. Correct... **************** It comes from the American Communist Party http://www.cpusa.org/taking-a-sober-...2016-election/ Nuff said? Yeah, those Commies seem to know what is at stake in 2016... Progress versus regression... From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? The problem with "bringing people together in a harmonious way" is that it usually leads to one person (or group) deciding what's "best" for everybody, and then vilifying anybody who disagrees. What if the person who comes to power to do this task decides that the only way to have a harmonious group is to expel anybody who doesn't have blue eyes and blonde hair? Oh, wait... that sounds familiar... |
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On 2/12/16 2:57 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 2/12/2016 1:42 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:02:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 12:43 PM, wrote: First, we can't ever lose sight of the strategic policy guiding our work: defeat the extreme right and GOP, its oligarchic backers, defend the presidency and break the GOP grip on Congress, statehouses and governorships. Sounds like a good idea... In addition we must work at ensuring attempts to appointment extremist, pro-segregationist justices to the U.S. Supreme Court are blocked. Absolutely... Whatever the outcome in the Democratic primaries we will contribute to building unity of a broad left-center, multi-class, multi-racial, male-female, multi-generational alliance of forces for the general election. Bring everyone together...great... Building such a multi-class alliance that includes the Democratic Party establishment or corporate wing will be a greater challenge if Sanders is nominated, but not impossible. Probably true... We have to continue to convey our anti-extreme right strategy to the broader movement, especially the first time and young voters, so that no matter the nominee, all will join in the general election mobilization. Indeed, the enemy is the extreme right... Without question there are serious problems and weaknesses with the Clinton campaign. Clinton carries a lot of historic baggage including her ties to Wall Street, hawkishness on foreign policy, etc. It is so obviously unseemly and tone deaf to accept such large "speaking" fees from Wall Street. But we know this already. Correct... **************** It comes from the American Communist Party http://www.cpusa.org/taking-a-sober-...2016-election/ Nuff said? Yeah, those Commies seem to know what is at stake in 2016... Progress versus regression... From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? The problem with "bringing people together in a harmonious way" is that it usually leads to one person (or group) deciding what's "best" for everybody, and then vilifying anybody who disagrees. What if the person who comes to power to do this task decides that the only way to have a harmonious group is to expel anybody who doesn't have blue eyes and blonde hair? Oh, wait... that sounds familiar... Yeah...Donald Trump...the leading GOP candidate. Glad you got it. |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" |
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On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? And the Clintonistas have been fundamentals in enabling the 1% |
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On 2/12/2016 2:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
{snip} I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? There is plenty of wealth in this country. Problem is the SMART wealthy people are hoarding it because the Government taxes the hell out of money whenever it moves. The smart middle class are doing the same. As a business owner, why should I invest millions of dollars to expand production (and therefor employees) when the Government is going to take 40% of my money? With Government over reach what it is, as Democrats take more rights away from the taxpaying public, you're going to see more instances of armed resistance. Sadly, it will the rural people who do this and portrayed as bumpkins and rednecks. Meanwhile, the urban poor who are handed everything by the government won't understand what the "rednecks" have a problem with. As the saying goes... I don't need a gun with a 30 round magazine for hunting, but the 2nd Amendment wasn't written in case the deer turn against us. For the record, in no way do I advocate a violent revolution. |
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On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? |
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On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:29:21 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" Love it. Harry's defending the democrats for being closet communists. Delicious, as they say. :) |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:36:00 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? And none of the wealthy are Democrats, eh Krause? More Krausescheiße. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/12/2016 2:42 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:02:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 12:43 PM, wrote: First, we can't ever lose sight of the strategic policy guiding our work: defeat the extreme right and GOP, its oligarchic backers, defend the presidency and break the GOP grip on Congress, statehouses and governorships. Sounds like a good idea... In addition we must work at ensuring attempts to appointment extremist, pro-segregationist justices to the U.S. Supreme Court are blocked. Absolutely... Whatever the outcome in the Democratic primaries we will contribute to building unity of a broad left-center, multi-class, multi-racial, male-female, multi-generational alliance of forces for the general election. Bring everyone together...great... Building such a multi-class alliance that includes the Democratic Party establishment or corporate wing will be a greater challenge if Sanders is nominated, but not impossible. Probably true... We have to continue to convey our anti-extreme right strategy to the broader movement, especially the first time and young voters, so that no matter the nominee, all will join in the general election mobilization. Indeed, the enemy is the extreme right... Without question there are serious problems and weaknesses with the Clinton campaign. Clinton carries a lot of historic baggage including her ties to Wall Street, hawkishness on foreign policy, etc. It is so obviously unseemly and tone deaf to accept such large "speaking" fees from Wall Street. But we know this already. Correct... **************** It comes from the American Communist Party http://www.cpusa.org/taking-a-sober-...2016-election/ Nuff said? Yeah, those Commies seem to know what is at stake in 2016... Progress versus regression... From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? Works for me as long as the manner in which these lofty goals are accomplished does not infringe upon: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." |
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Its Me wrote:
On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. |
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On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. |
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On 2/12/16 5:23 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:36:00 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? And none of the wealthy are Democrats, eh Krause? More Krausescheiße. -- More and more, Johnny Ku Klux, your posts are TDC - totally devoid of content. Will your wife be shipping you off to the "retirement home" soon so she can sell your toys, your guns, your golf clubs, and your motorbike, and move to a nice condo where it is warm? |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. Yup, and I paid in to SS for 50 years, and pay taxes on 80% of my payment. Social Security is not a welfare program, or dole. You should have taken a couple economic courses during your so called higher level education. May have helped you avoid excess debt. |
Harry could have written this
On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I guess being financed by Karen qualifies as being "in the private world". LOL |
Harry could have written this
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:37:23 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: More and more, Johnny Ku Klux, your posts are TDC - totally devoid of content. Will your wife be shipping you off to the "retirement home" soon so she can sell your toys, your guns, your golf clubs, and your motorbike, and move to a nice condo where it is warm? === Nice insulting Harry asswipe. |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:08:34 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? And the Clintonistas have been fundamentals in enabling the 1% Exactly. Bill was the best big business president since Herbert Hoover and actually succeeded in rolling back financial regulation to that level. At the same time he oversaw the destruction of the corporate employee protections and the destruction of entire class of middle class jobs. Real hero of the working man. Prior to that Hillary was sitting on the board of Walmart, changing them from a "made in America" family store to a multinational conglomerate specializing in peddling the cheapest offshore goods they could find and treating their employees like ****, Walmart became the model for the rest of the corporations and their idea of "market driven quality" has permeated our commerce since them. |
Harry could have written this
On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. |
Harry could have written this
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:37:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/12/16 5:23 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:36:00 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? And none of the wealthy are Democrats, eh Krause? More Krausescheiße. -- More and more, Johnny Ku Klux, your posts are TDC - totally devoid of content. Will your wife be shipping you off to the "retirement home" soon so she can sell your toys, your guns, your golf clubs, and your motorbike, and move to a nice condo where it is warm? And more of the same. Note below: -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
Harry could have written this
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. |
Harry could have written this
On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. |
Harry could have written this
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 11:14:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Health insurers have no desire to see you leave them for Medicare. Not denying the SS, eh Krause? Oh what a web we weave...etc. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
Harry could have written this
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:08:44 -0500 (EST), fire man wrote:
Wrote in message: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:37:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: More and more, Johnny Ku Klux, your posts are TDC - totally devoid of content. Will your wife be shipping you off to the "retirement home" soon so she can sell your toys, your guns, your golf clubs, and your motorbike, and move to a nice condo where it is warm? === Nice insulting Harry asswipe. TDC also means top dead center. I just love it when John puts Krowsie in the hot seat with flair and aplomb. Krowsie is left barking childish and somewhat insane insults. Way to go Mr. "I am educated". I fondly think of Harry twice a day while walking the dogs when I have to reach down and pick up the poop. Ah, such remembrances. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
Harry could have written this
On 2/13/16 11:51 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:08:44 -0500 (EST), fire man wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:37:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: More and more, Johnny Ku Klux, your posts are TDC - totally devoid of content. Will your wife be shipping you off to the "retirement home" soon so she can sell your toys, your guns, your golf clubs, and your motorbike, and move to a nice condo where it is warm? === Nice insulting Harry asswipe. TDC also means top dead center. I just love it when John puts Krowsie in the hot seat with flair and aplomb. Krowsie is left barking childish and somewhat insane insults. Way to go Mr. "I am educated". I fondly think of Harry twice a day while walking the dogs when I have to reach down and pick up the poop. Ah, such remembrances. -- Based upon your posting history here, there's no evidence you are capable of thinking. Oh, and I see your good buddy, FlaJim the Asswipe, has a new handle. Yawn. |
Harry could have written this
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. === At age 71+, if he's not collecting, it's his own damn fault. |
Harry could have written this
On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. |
Harry could have written this
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) |
Harry could have written this
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
Harry could have written this
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more?i -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Mine was a Christmas present in 1964. But mom had remarried and moved and I was still in school in Ohio. So did not get delivered. They were looking for me, so I knew I better go see an Air Force recruiter before contacting the draft board. My friendly local Congressman talked to them to not call me for a couple months to give me time to go USAF. Figured 1965 was not a good time to be army draftee. |
Harry could have written this
On 2/13/16 4:28 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more?i -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Mine was a Christmas present in 1964. But mom had remarried and moved and I was still in school in Ohio. So did not get delivered. They were looking for me, so I knew I better go see an Air Force recruiter before contacting the draft board. My friendly local Congressman talked to them to not call me for a couple months to give me time to go USAF. Figured 1965 was not a good time to be army draftee. I was at Ft. Leonard Wood in 1965 or 66 or so, but just for the day, on assignment from The Star to cover the opening or dedication of a new hospital on the base. What an awful place that military installation was... On the way back, the little used and abused MG-A I had started having serious electrical problems. That was the end of that car. |
Harry could have written this
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/13/16 4:28 PM, Califbill wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2016 11:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/16 10:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 02:22:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:33:40 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote: Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:36:03 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 3:28 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:42:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/12/16 2:17 PM, wrote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs -Marx OK I got it. It is interesting that the Democrat talking points look like a screen grab from the communist party web site so I suppose Bernie should embrace the communist appelation and put the Hammer and Sickle on his ads. What you posted and what I commented on did not include the Marx statement. Just what is it in your original post do you find offensive? Are you, for example, opposed to the idea of keeping segregationists off the Supreme Court? Are you against bringing people together in a harmonious way to work for a better society? I was only pointing at the source. That makes it pretty hard to distinguish democrats from communists... whatever that means. Actually Khrushchev predicted this after the democrats took over the white house in the 60s. He said "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism." he also said "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you." My favorite is "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river" I'm not sure what you are advocating, and I'm not sure you know. The middle class is disappearing in this country, and what wealth remains is being sucked up by the wealthy. That will lead to a violent revolution, for sure. Is that what you want? Why all the hate-mongering and fear-spreading? His fears he will lose his government dole. Uh...*my* government dole? Aren't you the one receiving social security and medicare? I'm still in the private world. I seem to recall you saying a while back that you were now collecting SS. Most insurance companies dump you off into medicare the day you turn 65 too, You can get into an advantage plan in most states tho. I am with UHC right now but I have hopped around a little. My health insuror makes no attempt to push us old farts onto social security. I used to know who the underwriter was, but it has changed twice since I retired from the health and welfare committee. Mine (Blue Cross) sure did. They notified me ahead of time and then started sending all the Medicare option plans they carry. I was fine with going on Medicare. Been direct paying anywhere from $1,000 to $1,400 per month for the past 16 years just for coverage for Mrs. E and I. Never made any claims during that time period that came even close to what we paid in. The most expensive item was a one night stay in a hospital for a full bore stress test that revealed that I drank too much coffee. Hospital bill for that was right around $14,000! Oh, and a colonoscopy a few years back and some doctor and eye doc visits for treatment when I had shingles about 3 years ago. Mrs.E has just had annual checkups at her doc's office for the normal woman stuff. Let's see, assume an average of $1,200 per month for insurance for 16 years. That's $230,400 paid in. $14,000 (minus a deductible) for the stress test. Musta been one hellava colonoscopy to make it worth the payments. Harry is special. I wonder how much his insurance costs the rank and file workers of that union he doesn't actually work for? My Advantage plan is happy to take the hundred bucks or so I send to Medicare for somewhat reasonable coverage and a part D compliant drug plan. I pay 15 bucks for my PCP and $50 for a specialist. I think the max OOP is $6k or something but I never get close to that. IBM gives me $3k in a "use or lose" slush fund every year in lieu of insurance to cover my deductibles. I ended up with $2700 last year and since a boob job was out of the question I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more?i -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Mine was a Christmas present in 1964. But mom had remarried and moved and I was still in school in Ohio. So did not get delivered. They were looking for me, so I knew I better go see an Air Force recruiter before contacting the draft board. My friendly local Congressman talked to them to not call me for a couple months to give me time to go USAF. Figured 1965 was not a good time to be army draftee. I was at Ft. Leonard Wood in 1965 or 66 or so, but just for the day, on assignment from The Star to cover the opening or dedication of a new hospital on the base. What an awful place that military installation was... On the way back, the little used and abused MG-A I had started having serious electrical problems. That was the end of that car. I think that was where my brother in law was stationed in 1968. Did not see much of it as was dark. Do remember you had to join a private club to buy a beer at the hotel. Figured too much for one beer. |
Harry could have written this
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:55:26 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? I had to make my own way to Cape May. |
Harry could have written this
On 2/13/16 7:03 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:55:26 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? I had to make my own way to Cape May. Cape May is a resort...Ft. Leonard Wood is a hellhole. Makes sense. |
Harry could have written this
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:55:26 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:03:07 -0500, wrote: I decided to get a dental implant for the tooth I lost in 1965 (there is that year again) Same ship I wasn't sure how many boatswains mates it would take to kick my ass and I certainly didn't know how many they were going to use. ;-) (stolen from Ron White) 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? I had to make my own way to Cape May. I had to make my way to the airport. They gave me a ticket on AA to Dallas, and then Trans Texas airways to San Antonio. Forest flight attestant I have ever had on a flight. Maybe being 20 shaded my viewpoint. |
Harry could have written this
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:16:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: 1965 was a great year. I got a nice letter from Uncle Sam and a free train ride to Fort Leonard Wood. Who could ask for more? I had to make my own way to Cape May. Cape May is a resort...Ft. Leonard Wood is a hellhole. Makes sense. It wasn't really that "resorty" in the winter time. We had gale force winds almost every day we were there. Out in the bay, in a 26' Momomoy surf boat with that wind at about 40-50f was not my favorite boat ride. |
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