On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.

On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg

On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.

On 2/11/2016 1:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows
than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the
rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head
off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum
pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.


Show us a picturer of that mean hombre of yours.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:18:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.


Auggie was definitely more of a country dog than Ed. I was trying to
wrangle a black snake out of the screen cage and Auggie went right
after him. The snake went instantly from threat mode to protect
himself mode. I guess they understand when something presents a real
danger.
I feel the same about a lot of animals. If you just look at them like
a predator, they will leave you alone. That is why when you have a
gun, game runs away. I doubt the animal actually recognizes a gun but
they do sense your attitude and the fact that you are hunting them.

On a smaller scale, try it with a fly and a fly swatter. That fly that
will not leave you alone when you are blindly swatting at him will
disappear when you actually take an aimed shot at him. Same is true of
paper wasps. If you take a well aimed swing at one or just watch them
like you are going to, they will leave you alone. I have knocked down
the nest with my bare hand and not been stung. Just be sure you engage
the "guard" wasp. There will be one. The rest key off him. If he
stings you, plan on being stung by all of them.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:09:43 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg

Well, if my English Pointer were to ever get threatened by a coyote, she better hope
I'm there to hide behind.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.


At least here in California the coyotes seem to attack dogs in packs.
Friends in San Marcos did not leave the dog out at night because of
coyotes. They were in a rural,area and the coyotes took a lot of outdoor
pets.

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.


At least here in California the coyotes seem to attack dogs in packs.
Friends in San Marcos did not leave the dog out at night because of
coyotes. They were in a rural,area and the coyotes took a lot of outdoor
pets.

That's what everyone keeps missing. There's never just *one* coyote, there's at least two and usually more. I have a 70lb black lab. He *might* get lucky in a short fight with one coyote, but there's little doubt he'd fail against two or more.