On 2/9/2016 3:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:24:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:43:53 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Made me think about what would happen if I had a gun and I was
forced to
shoot it if it had attacked or become more threatening. Need to
check
up on the laws about that.


Seems like we went through that just the other day! I think a round
in the ground would be the best
idea, initially. I'd be worried about rabies also, with a wild
animal such as a coyote or fox.

===

Once you discharge a firearm in a restricted area you are potentially
subject to legal action, so you might as well make it a shot to center
of mass. There's less risk of a ricochet that way and you remove the
threat. If no one hears and reports the shot, your only problem is
disposing of the coyote.

SSS

Shoot
Shovel
Shutup



You Fla guys don't know much about frozen ground, do ya?

Yeah... not much you could do quickly in a residential area up here in
the winter in regards to digging holes.

But again, if its in clear self defense, and you tell the LEO that shows
up that you were fearful for your life (which is all you should EVER say
if you ever shoot your gun outside of a gun range or hunting...), I
doubt it would lead to any citations.

In my area, there have been enough small pet kills by coyotes recently
that anyone who shot one in the city would be thanked.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 16:39:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2016 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:24:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:43:53 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Made me think about what would happen if I had a gun and I was forced to
shoot it if it had attacked or become more threatening. Need to check
up on the laws about that.


Seems like we went through that just the other day! I think a round in the ground would be the best
idea, initially. I'd be worried about rabies also, with a wild animal such as a coyote or fox.

===

Once you discharge a firearm in a restricted area you are potentially
subject to legal action, so you might as well make it a shot to center
of mass. There's less risk of a ricochet that way and you remove the
threat. If no one hears and reports the shot, your only problem is
disposing of the coyote.

SSS

Shoot
Shovel
Shutup



You Fla guys don't know much about frozen ground, do ya?

Frozen ground?
I have not heard of this thing. ;-)

Bury it in the snow and plow another few feet over it.
Worry about it in April or May.

.... or just put it in the bed of the truck and kick it out on the side
of the road.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:24:06 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:43:53 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Made me think about what would happen if I had a gun and I was forced to
shoot it if it had attacked or become more threatening. Need to check
up on the laws about that.


Seems like we went through that just the other day! I think a round in the ground would be the best
idea, initially. I'd be worried about rabies also, with a wild animal such as a coyote or fox.

===

Once you discharge a firearm in a restricted area you are potentially
subject to legal action, so you might as well make it a shot to center
of mass. There's less risk of a ricochet that way and you remove the
threat. If no one hears and reports the shot, your only problem is
disposing of the coyote.

That is if you hit the coyote. A moving coyote would probably be hard to hit. When I say into the
ground, I mean close in. Not much of a ricochet from dirt.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:28:08 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Not much of a ricochet from dirt.

===

You'd be surprised. There have a lot of weird ricochet accidents over
the years.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:46:23 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:28:08 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Not much of a ricochet from dirt.

===

You'd be surprised. There have a lot of weird ricochet accidents over
the years.
Especially if the dirt is frozen

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 12:29:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


This was a little unnerving ....

Our horse barn is about 175 feet down the driveway from our house.
It has a small, two car garage attached to it where I keep the tractor
in the winter.

I had finished up plowing the driveway with the truck and decided to
walk down to the barn to get the tractor and do a little clean up work.

Got halfway down to the barn when suddenly a coyote came trotting out of
the woods beside the house. I stopped. It stopped ... about 20 feet
away and we just stared at each other. It showed absolutely no fear of
me. It kept looking at me, then in the direction it had been going
(towards the barn and garage) and then back at me again. I just stood
there. It finally started moving slowly towards the garage but then
stopped, turned and started walking back directly towards me. My first
thought was that my gun was back in the house. It stopped again about
20 feet away and we stared at each other again for about 30 seconds then
it moved on towards the garage. So, I slowly followed it, around the
corner and then realized that one of the garage doors was open. (I had
been in there earlier).

My thought was that it had gone in the garage. Walked up slowly and
looked around ... no coyote. Turned around and there he was again,
standing behind me, again about 20, maybe 30 feet away. I booked it
into the garage, pulled the door down fast and watched him through one
of the door windows. He finally lost interest and trotted off towards
my neighbor's house. They raise chickens. I think they will need to
do a head count tonight.

Made me think about what would happen if I had a gun and I was forced to
shoot it if it had attacked or become more threatening. Need to check
up on the laws about that.



There are lots of laws you have to consider. I doubt a coyote is
protected in any way (an invasive exotic) but you might have issues
with "discharge of a firearm" (distance from dwellings etc). You might
need a hunting license and there is probably a tree hugger law about
"cruelty to animals" in the peoples republic of Massachusetts.
I think if I had livestock it was threatening, I would take it.

On 2/9/2016 12:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

This was a little unnerving ....

Our horse barn is about 175 feet down the driveway from our house.
It has a small, two car garage attached to it where I keep the tractor
in the winter.

I had finished up plowing the driveway with the truck and decided to
walk down to the barn to get the tractor and do a little clean up work.

Got halfway down to the barn when suddenly a coyote came trotting out of
the woods beside the house. I stopped. It stopped ... about 20 feet
away and we just stared at each other. It showed absolutely no fear of
me. It kept looking at me, then in the direction it had been going
(towards the barn and garage) and then back at me again. I just stood
there. It finally started moving slowly towards the garage but then
stopped, turned and started walking back directly towards me. My first
thought was that my gun was back in the house. It stopped again about
20 feet away and we stared at each other again for about 30 seconds then
it moved on towards the garage. So, I slowly followed it, around the
corner and then realized that one of the garage doors was open. (I had
been in there earlier).

My thought was that it had gone in the garage. Walked up slowly and
looked around ... no coyote. Turned around and there he was again,
standing behind me, again about 20, maybe 30 feet away. I booked it
into the garage, pulled the door down fast and watched him through one
of the door windows. He finally lost interest and trotted off towards
my neighbor's house. They raise chickens. I think they will need to
do a head count tonight.

Made me think about what would happen if I had a gun and I was forced to
shoot it if it had attacked or become more threatening. Need to check
up on the laws about that.



Coyotes are a protected species in your state even if it eats your dog
or baby.

On 2/9/2016 5:35 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 12:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

This was a little unnerving ....

Our horse barn is about 175 feet down the driveway from our house.
It has a small, two car garage attached to it where I keep the tractor
in the winter.

I had finished up plowing the driveway with the truck and decided to
walk down to the barn to get the tractor and do a little clean up work.

Got halfway down to the barn when suddenly a coyote came trotting out of
the woods beside the house. I stopped. It stopped ... about 20 feet
away and we just stared at each other. It showed absolutely no fear of
me. It kept looking at me, then in the direction it had been going
(towards the barn and garage) and then back at me again. I just stood
there. It finally started moving slowly towards the garage but then
stopped, turned and started walking back directly towards me. My first
thought was that my gun was back in the house. It stopped again about
20 feet away and we stared at each other again for about 30 seconds then
it moved on towards the garage. So, I slowly followed it, around the
corner and then realized that one of the garage doors was open. (I had
been in there earlier).

My thought was that it had gone in the garage. Walked up slowly and
looked around ... no coyote. Turned around and there he was again,
standing behind me, again about 20, maybe 30 feet away. I booked it
into the garage, pulled the door down fast and watched him through one
of the door windows. He finally lost interest and trotted off towards
my neighbor's house. They raise chickens. I think they will need to
do a head count tonight.

Made me think about what would happen if I had a gun and I was forced to
shoot it if it had attacked or become more threatening. Need to check
up on the laws about that.



Coyotes are a protected species in your state even if it eats your dog
or baby.


I don't think they are protected, even in MA. They have become a
nuisance. The laws I checked said it's legal to shoot them *if* you
have a hunting license *and* discharging the firearm does not violate
any residential area laws. Basically that means firing it within 150
feet of a roadway or firing it within 500 feet of any abutter's property
unless you have their permission to do so.

Don't think the coyote would be willing to just sit and wait until I
go buy the license and then check with a couple of neighbors. :-)

Unless the above requirements are met, I think what would happen is
the LEO would say "nice shot" and then hit me up with illegal discharge
of a firearm and shooting a coyote without a hunting license.

Bottom line is: If I had a gun on me and the damn thing attacked, I'd
shoot and deal with the details later.

On Tuesday, 9 February 2016 19:45:13 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 5:35 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 12:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

This was a little unnerving ....

Our horse barn is about 175 feet down the driveway from our house.
It has a small, two car garage attached to it where I keep the tractor
in the winter.

I had finished up plowing the driveway with the truck and decided to
walk down to the barn to get the tractor and do a little clean up work.

Got halfway down to the barn when suddenly a coyote came trotting out of
the woods beside the house. I stopped. It stopped ... about 20 feet
away and we just stared at each other. It showed absolutely no fear of
me. It kept looking at me, then in the direction it had been going
(towards the barn and garage) and then back at me again. I just stood
there. It finally started moving slowly towards the garage but then
stopped, turned and started walking back directly towards me. My first
thought was that my gun was back in the house. It stopped again about
20 feet away and we stared at each other again for about 30 seconds then
it moved on towards the garage. So, I slowly followed it, around the
corner and then realized that one of the garage doors was open. (I had
been in there earlier).

My thought was that it had gone in the garage. Walked up slowly and
looked around ... no coyote. Turned around and there he was again,
standing behind me, again about 20, maybe 30 feet away. I booked it
into the garage, pulled the door down fast and watched him through one
of the door windows. He finally lost interest and trotted off towards
my neighbor's house. They raise chickens. I think they will need to
do a head count tonight.

Made me think about what would happen if I had a gun and I was forced to
shoot it if it had attacked or become more threatening. Need to check
up on the laws about that.



Coyotes are a protected species in your state even if it eats your dog
or baby.


I don't think they are protected, even in MA. They have become a
nuisance. The laws I checked said it's legal to shoot them *if* you
have a hunting license *and* discharging the firearm does not violate
any residential area laws. Basically that means firing it within 150
feet of a roadway or firing it within 500 feet of any abutter's property
unless you have their permission to do so.

Don't think the coyote would be willing to just sit and wait until I
go buy the license and then check with a couple of neighbors. :-)

Unless the above requirements are met, I think what would happen is
the LEO would say "nice shot" and then hit me up with illegal discharge
of a firearm and shooting a coyote without a hunting license.

Bottom line is: If I had a gun on me and the damn thing attacked, I'd
shoot and deal with the details later.

I'm almost sure I saw one down at Point Pleasant Park last week. I was walking my Springer on a quiet path when I saw a dingy gray looking animal ahead. It was either a small coyote or a good sized fox. He was gone by the time I got there.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:56:02 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 9 February 2016 19:45:13 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 5:35 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 12:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

This was a little unnerving ....

Our horse barn is about 175 feet down the driveway from our house.
It has a small, two car garage attached to it where I keep the tractor
in the winter.

I had finished up plowing the driveway with the truck and decided to
walk down to the barn to get the tractor and do a little clean up work.

Got halfway down to the barn when suddenly a coyote came trotting out of
the woods beside the house. I stopped. It stopped ... about 20 feet
away and we just stared at each other. It showed absolutely no fear of
me. It kept looking at me, then in the direction it had been going
(towards the barn and garage) and then back at me again. I just stood
there. It finally started moving slowly towards the garage but then
stopped, turned and started walking back directly towards me. My first
thought was that my gun was back in the house. It stopped again about
20 feet away and we stared at each other again for about 30 seconds then
it moved on towards the garage. So, I slowly followed it, around the
corner and then realized that one of the garage doors was open. (I had
been in there earlier).

My thought was that it had gone in the garage. Walked up slowly and
looked around ... no coyote. Turned around and there he was again,
standing behind me, again about 20, maybe 30 feet away. I booked it
into the garage, pulled the door down fast and watched him through one
of the door windows. He finally lost interest and trotted off towards
my neighbor's house. They raise chickens. I think they will need to
do a head count tonight.

Made me think about what would happen if I had a gun and I was forced to
shoot it if it had attacked or become more threatening. Need to check
up on the laws about that.



Coyotes are a protected species in your state even if it eats your dog
or baby.


I don't think they are protected, even in MA. They have become a
nuisance. The laws I checked said it's legal to shoot them *if* you
have a hunting license *and* discharging the firearm does not violate
any residential area laws. Basically that means firing it within 150
feet of a roadway or firing it within 500 feet of any abutter's property
unless you have their permission to do so.

Don't think the coyote would be willing to just sit and wait until I
go buy the license and then check with a couple of neighbors. :-)

Unless the above requirements are met, I think what would happen is
the LEO would say "nice shot" and then hit me up with illegal discharge
of a firearm and shooting a coyote without a hunting license.

Bottom line is: If I had a gun on me and the damn thing attacked, I'd
shoot and deal with the details later.

I'm almost sure I saw one down at Point Pleasant Park last week. I was walking my Springer on a quiet path when I saw a dingy gray looking animal ahead. It was either a small coyote or a good sized fox. He was gone by the time I got there.

===

When we lived in the northeast our house was less than 5 miles from
the New York City limits. We used to see both coyotes and foxes from
time to time.