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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:09:51 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

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On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:23:59 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Sounds like Harry - who once said he carried because of "dog
packs."
I can't imagine being attacked by a coyote. They are naturally
fearful of me, with good reason. Dogs too.
Excepting Chihuahuas. Tiny dogs are stupid. I have one.
Instead of "booking" it into the garage, you should have just
growled at it as you approached it. Make a fist too.
Would have sent it away with its tail tucked.
Bears are another story.

===

Dog packs are dangerous but they're more interested in deer than
anything else. Dogs, wolves, coyotes, etc., are all dangerous in
packs and capable of taking down some fairly large animals. They are
all natural born stalkers and hunters if given the chance.

Yep.
OTOH, a single coyote - all 35 pounds of him - isn't much.
Especially if you're bundled in winter clothes.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with these kind of
incidents. My inclination would be to scare it off
immediately, since I don't want it attacking my back.
You have to let any canine know who's boss.

===

Here's an interesting YouTube video of a coyote stalking a human. It
might make you rethink your strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqVE9qfg7yI

Good vid. No, it doesn't make me rethink. That guy was
playing around with it. He didn't want to give it a good kick.
Or maybe he wasn't capable of kicking. But he sure wasn't
afraid of it. He knew not to offer his back.

On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:09:51 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:23:59 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Sounds like Harry - who once said he carried because of "dog
packs."
I can't imagine being attacked by a coyote. They are naturally
fearful of me, with good reason. Dogs too.
Excepting Chihuahuas. Tiny dogs are stupid. I have one.
Instead of "booking" it into the garage, you should have just
growled at it as you approached it. Make a fist too.
Would have sent it away with its tail tucked.
Bears are another story.

===

Dog packs are dangerous but they're more interested in deer than
anything else. Dogs, wolves, coyotes, etc., are all dangerous in
packs and capable of taking down some fairly large animals. They are
all natural born stalkers and hunters if given the chance.

Yep.
OTOH, a single coyote - all 35 pounds of him - isn't much.
Especially if you're bundled in winter clothes.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with these kind of
incidents. My inclination would be to scare it off
immediately, since I don't want it attacking my back.
You have to let any canine know who's boss.

===

Here's an interesting YouTube video of a coyote stalking a human. It
might make you rethink your strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqVE9qfg7yI

Good vid. No, it doesn't make me rethink. That guy was
playing around with it. He didn't want to give it a good kick.
Or maybe he wasn't capable of kicking. But he sure wasn't
afraid of it. He knew not to offer his back.



You are a trip. One one hand you claim that a coyote is naturally
fearful of humans and won't go after one anyway and then, (above) you
say "my inclination would be to scare if off immediately, since I don't
want it attacking my back." So which is it? Will it attack or not?

A coyote is not a dog. Any wild animal that can easily take down and
kill a deer deserves some respect. It's a lot smarter to avoid a
confrontation than to further encourage and add to it's experience in
dealing with humans. The increasing frequency of human contact is what
is causing them to lose their fear in the first place.

Can't say I admire your bravery. It's more like stupidity.

On 2/11/2016 5:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:09:51 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:23:59 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Sounds like Harry - who once said he carried because of "dog
packs."
I can't imagine being attacked by a coyote. They are naturally
fearful of me, with good reason. Dogs too.
Excepting Chihuahuas. Tiny dogs are stupid. I have one.
Instead of "booking" it into the garage, you should have just
growled at it as you approached it. Make a fist too.
Would have sent it away with its tail tucked.
Bears are another story.

===

Dog packs are dangerous but they're more interested in deer than
anything else. Dogs, wolves, coyotes, etc., are all dangerous in
packs and capable of taking down some fairly large animals. They are
all natural born stalkers and hunters if given the chance.

Yep.
OTOH, a single coyote - all 35 pounds of him - isn't much.
Especially if you're bundled in winter clothes.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with these kind of
incidents. My inclination would be to scare it off
immediately, since I don't want it attacking my back.
You have to let any canine know who's boss.

===

Here's an interesting YouTube video of a coyote stalking a human. It
might make you rethink your strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqVE9qfg7yI

Good vid. No, it doesn't make me rethink. That guy was
playing around with it. He didn't want to give it a good kick.
Or maybe he wasn't capable of kicking. But he sure wasn't
afraid of it. He knew not to offer his back.



You are a trip. One one hand you claim that a coyote is naturally
fearful of humans and won't go after one anyway and then, (above) you
say "my inclination would be to scare if off immediately, since I don't
want it attacking my back." So which is it? Will it attack or not?

A coyote is not a dog. Any wild animal that can easily take down and
kill a deer deserves some respect. It's a lot smarter to avoid a
confrontation than to further encourage and add to it's experience in
dealing with humans. The increasing frequency of human contact is what
is causing them to lose their fear in the first place.

Can't say I admire your bravery. It's more like stupidity.






You nailed it.

On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.

On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg

On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.

On 2/11/2016 1:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows
than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the
rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head
off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum
pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.


Show us a picturer of that mean hombre of yours.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:18:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.


Auggie was definitely more of a country dog than Ed. I was trying to
wrangle a black snake out of the screen cage and Auggie went right
after him. The snake went instantly from threat mode to protect
himself mode. I guess they understand when something presents a real
danger.
I feel the same about a lot of animals. If you just look at them like
a predator, they will leave you alone. That is why when you have a
gun, game runs away. I doubt the animal actually recognizes a gun but
they do sense your attitude and the fact that you are hunting them.

On a smaller scale, try it with a fly and a fly swatter. That fly that
will not leave you alone when you are blindly swatting at him will
disappear when you actually take an aimed shot at him. Same is true of
paper wasps. If you take a well aimed swing at one or just watch them
like you are going to, they will leave you alone. I have knocked down
the nest with my bare hand and not been stung. Just be sure you engage
the "guard" wasp. There will be one. The rest key off him. If he
stings you, plan on being stung by all of them.