On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.


The staged "debates' are political theater. Nothing really important is
going to come out of them. That went away after Perot cranked them up!

On 2/7/2016 5:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.


The staged "debates' are political theater. Nothing really important is
going to come out of them. That went away after Perot cranked them up!


I generally agree with most of the debates, especially the series of
Republican ones this year because of the number of candidates. However,
the Democratic debate the other night with just Hillary and Bernie was
very good. Credit also goes to the moderators who didn't
try to share the limelight by making a speech as a question. Rachel and
Chuck Todd deserve kudos for a job well done. A subject was introduced
and then they shut up and let Bernie and Hillary hash it out.

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:53:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


If it just got down to Trump and Cruz it would be interesting but I
imagine Cruz would win technically but Trump would win if you ask the
people who like him.
Sort of a "Blutto Blutarski goes to Harvard" thing.

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 17:23:41 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

There have been so many debates so far that none of these weasels have
enough new to say to make them worth watching.
They basically just repeat lines from their stump speech, whether it
answers the question or not.
Mowing the lawn would be more worthwhile, whether it needs it or not.

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville.

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 1:15:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville.

There's a lot of truth to that. Plus, they couldn't compete with the Japanese invasion of the 60's and 70's. because compared to the Japanese products, they were proven to be antiquated and inferior. Countless went to the scrap.

But there's plenty of parts available and they do have a certain cool factor to them besides- it's been sitting long enough so...

On 2/8/2016 7:19 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 1:15:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville.

There's a lot of truth to that. Plus, they couldn't compete with the Japanese invasion of the 60's and 70's. because compared to the Japanese products, they were proven to be antiquated and inferior. Countless went to the scrap.

But there's plenty of parts available and they do have a certain cool factor to them besides- it's been sitting long enough so...


Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:40:43 AM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2016 7:19 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 1:15:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville.

There's a lot of truth to that. Plus, they couldn't compete with the Japanese invasion of the 60's and 70's. because compared to the Japanese products, they were proven to be antiquated and inferior. Countless went to the scrap.

But there's plenty of parts available and they do have a certain cool factor to them besides- it's been sitting long enough so...


Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

I don't know if it was arrogance or stubbornness, but the rule applies, If you do what you do the way you've always done it then you can always expect the same results..

The Brits never thought of updating anything and continued year after year with the same models with the same ancestral problems No wonder they died. They couldn't figure out that the public could actually like a motorcycle that could perform, keep running more than a month at a time, and stayed clean.

Same with Harley Davidson . Willie G. Davidsons famous quote in 1969 was "Americans won't buy multi- cylinder motorcycles"

And that was about their last act of defiance....