Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/26/2016 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:35:50 -0600, amdx wrote:

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.

That might have been true before 1968 when LBJ put SS "on budget" but
now SS is just another "entitlement" program and your FICA money gets
dumped into the general fund. That was great when there was a surplus
and they could use it to hide the cost of the Vietnam war but now it
is just demonstrating what a ponzi scam SS is.
The politicians who say SS is not adding a dime to the debt are just
stupid or lying.
When the number of young voters exceeds the number of older voters, I
expect to see a big change in SS but kids just don't vote.
(at least not so far)



I thought it was still allowed that only "surplus" SS funds can be
transferred to the general fund. Has that changed?




They need a gigantic "lock box".

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/26/16 12:35 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/25/2016 7:28 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Some people in this country shouldn't be eligible to vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI


There should be a test and tax obligations should be current.

How about this test, If you don't pay any Federal Income taxes, you
should have any input as to how it is spent,
ie: you don't get to vote.

Mikek

PS, I'll let others develop exemptions from the rule.

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.


I suggest you read the 24th Amendment.

The Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits Congress and the states from
conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a
poll tax or other types of tax.

You right-wing white boys just love to disenfranchise people. Too bad
you didn’t pay attention in civics classes, eh?


So it will take a felony tax evasion charge to keep you from voting?

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:26:29 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 12:35 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/25/2016 7:28 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Some people in this country shouldn't be eligible to vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI


There should be a test and tax obligations should be current.

How about this test, If you don't pay any Federal Income taxes, you
should have any input as to how it is spent,
ie: you don't get to vote.

Mikek

PS, I'll let others develop exemptions from the rule.

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.


I suggest you read the 24th Amendment.

The Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits Congress and the states from
conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll
tax or other types of tax.

You right-wing white boys just love to disenfranchise people. Too bad
you didn’t pay attention in civics classes, eh?

It is not any sillier than those Hillary supporters who want to repeal
the Bill of Rights.


Nonsense.

I guess you were too busy to watch the video at the top of this
thread.

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:00:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/26/2016 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:35:50 -0600, amdx wrote:

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.

That might have been true before 1968 when LBJ put SS "on budget" but
now SS is just another "entitlement" program and your FICA money gets
dumped into the general fund. That was great when there was a surplus
and they could use it to hide the cost of the Vietnam war but now it
is just demonstrating what a ponzi scam SS is.
The politicians who say SS is not adding a dime to the debt are just
stupid or lying.
When the number of young voters exceeds the number of older voters, I
expect to see a big change in SS but kids just don't vote.
(at least not so far)



I thought it was still allowed that only "surplus" SS funds can be
transferred to the general fund. Has that changed?


That is a distinction without a difference. It is all "on budget".
The real flaw in the whole plan is the government can't "save money"
(as in stow it away for a rainy day). The only way they can save money
is by not spending it and if they take money out of circulation
without spending it, that is simply reducing the money supply.
If the government was really "saving" the trust fund money it would
have had to be invested in the private sector or in gold. (something
with more of an intrinsic value than simply government paper)

The IOUs in the "trust fund" are simply borrowed money from our kids
and they are paying us now because SS/MC is upside down. Too bad they
have this debt on their backs and got little to show for it.
Every man woman and child in the US owes SS/MC over $20,000 each right
now and their slice of the total US debt is more like $73,000.
They have lower wages and the prospect of higher taxes for the rest of
their lives.
The boomers certainly did not leave them a world better than the one
we got from our parents.

On 1/26/16 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:26:29 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 12:35 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/25/2016 7:28 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Some people in this country shouldn't be eligible to vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI


There should be a test and tax obligations should be current.

How about this test, If you don't pay any Federal Income taxes, you
should have any input as to how it is spent,
ie: you don't get to vote.

Mikek

PS, I'll let others develop exemptions from the rule.

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.


I suggest you read the 24th Amendment.

The Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits Congress and the states from
conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll
tax or other types of tax.

You right-wing white boys just love to disenfranchise people. Too bad
you didn’t pay attention in civics classes, eh?

It is not any sillier than those Hillary supporters who want to repeal
the Bill of Rights.


Nonsense.

I guess you were too busy to watch the video at the top of this
thread.


That nonsense? Please.

On 1/27/2016 9:20 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/26/16 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:26:29 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 12:35 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/25/2016 7:28 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Some people in this country shouldn't be eligible to vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI


There should be a test and tax obligations should be current.

How about this test, If you don't pay any Federal Income
taxes, you
should have any input as to how it is spent,
ie: you don't get to vote.

Mikek

PS, I'll let others develop exemptions from the rule.

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.


I suggest you read the 24th Amendment.

The Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits Congress and the states from
conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a
poll
tax or other types of tax.

You right-wing white boys just love to disenfranchise people. Too bad
you didn’t pay attention in civics classes, eh?

It is not any sillier than those Hillary supporters who want to repeal
the Bill of Rights.


Nonsense.

I guess you were too busy to watch the video at the top of this
thread.


That nonsense? Please.

Do you have anything better to do?
I suppose you'd rather remain unenlightened and continue to follow your
marching orders from the unions and democratic party.
What a dunce. And you claim to be educated. Sheeesh!

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:24:40 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 1/27/2016 9:20 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/26/16 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:26:29 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 12:35 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/25/2016 7:28 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Some people in this country shouldn't be eligible to vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI


There should be a test and tax obligations should be current.

How about this test, If you don't pay any Federal Income
taxes, you
should have any input as to how it is spent,
ie: you don't get to vote.

Mikek

PS, I'll let others develop exemptions from the rule.

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.


I suggest you read the 24th Amendment.

The Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits Congress and the states from
conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a
poll
tax or other types of tax.

You right-wing white boys just love to disenfranchise people. Too bad
you didn’t pay attention in civics classes, eh?

It is not any sillier than those Hillary supporters who want to repeal
the Bill of Rights.


Nonsense.

I guess you were too busy to watch the video at the top of this
thread.


That nonsense? Please.

Do you have anything better to do?
I suppose you'd rather remain unenlightened and continue to follow your
marching orders from the unions and democratic party.
What a dunce. And you claim to be educated. Sheeesh!

He 'claims' to have gone around Cape Horn - twice - and to have a pair of owls out
back by the creek.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 1/27/2016 9:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:24:40 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 1/27/2016 9:20 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/26/16 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:26:29 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:29:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/26/16 12:35 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/25/2016 7:28 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Some people in this country shouldn't be eligible to vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI


There should be a test and tax obligations should be current.

How about this test, If you don't pay any Federal Income
taxes, you
should have any input as to how it is spent,
ie: you don't get to vote.

Mikek

PS, I'll let others develop exemptions from the rule.

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.


I suggest you read the 24th Amendment.

The Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits Congress and the states from
conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a
poll
tax or other types of tax.

You right-wing white boys just love to disenfranchise people. Too bad
you didn’t pay attention in civics classes, eh?

It is not any sillier than those Hillary supporters who want to repeal
the Bill of Rights.


Nonsense.

I guess you were too busy to watch the video at the top of this
thread.


That nonsense? Please.

Do you have anything better to do?
I suppose you'd rather remain unenlightened and continue to follow your
marching orders from the unions and democratic party.
What a dunce. And you claim to be educated. Sheeesh!

He 'claims' to have gone around Cape Horn - twice - and to have a pair of owls out
back by the creek.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

The only reason that anyone, except Don White, pays any attention to
Krause at all, is to trip him up in his lies or laugh at his wild ideas
of reality. Krause is nothing but an empty, ill fitting Brooks Brothers
suit.

On 1/26/2016 12:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/26/16 12:35 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/25/2016 7:28 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Some people in this country shouldn't be eligible to vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI


There should be a test and tax obligations should be current.

How about this test, If you don't pay any Federal Income taxes, you
should have any input as to how it is spent,
ie: you don't get to vote.

Mikek

PS, I'll let others develop exemptions from the rule.

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.


I suggest you read the 24th Amendment.

The Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits Congress and the states from
conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll
tax or other types of tax.


I know that, I just don't like people having a say how the pie is
divided if they don't have anything in the pie.
We are moving toward the tipping point, shown by the popularity of
Bernie Sanders and a 90% tax rate, which he has softened on.

A few predictions of what we have.


Alexander Hamilton famously said, "When the people find that they
can vote themselves money, that will herald the end ."


"[Democracy] can only exist until a majority of voters discover
that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." -A. Tyler


"When the public discovers they can vote themselves money from the
public treasury, the [American] experiment will be over"-Tocqueville 1838


"Democracy will cease to exist when people realize they can vote
themselves more money"- Thomas Jefferson


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin


When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic. -Alexander Tytler (paraphrase)
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:00:56 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 1/26/2016 12:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/26/16 12:35 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/25/2016 7:28 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Some people in this country shouldn't be eligible to vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZFXkmofgI


There should be a test and tax obligations should be current.

How about this test, If you don't pay any Federal Income taxes, you
should have any input as to how it is spent,
ie: you don't get to vote.

Mikek

PS, I'll let others develop exemptions from the rule.

FICA payments are for a disability and retirement program and not
considered a tax for my test.


I suggest you read the 24th Amendment.

The Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits Congress and the states from
conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll
tax or other types of tax.


I know that, I just don't like people having a say how the pie is
divided if they don't have anything in the pie.
We are moving toward the tipping point, shown by the popularity of
Bernie Sanders and a 90% tax rate, which he has softened on.

A few predictions of what we have.


Alexander Hamilton famously said, "When the people find that they
can vote themselves money, that will herald the end ."


"[Democracy] can only exist until a majority of voters discover
that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." -A. Tyler


"When the public discovers they can vote themselves money from the
public treasury, the [American] experiment will be over"-Tocqueville 1838


"Democracy will cease to exist when people realize they can vote
themselves more money"- Thomas Jefferson


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin


When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic. -Alexander Tytler (paraphrase)
12



Harry knows better than all those folks.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!