On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:23:26 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:17:39 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

After all, about 90% of gun murderers use guns that were
legally purchased.

That is bull****. They don't even solve 90% of the murders, much less
find and trace the weapon.

So what? You can't name any recent gun mass murderer who
didn't use a legally purchased gun. Go ahead and try.
Might be over 95%. Prove otherwise.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
No difference at all.
Just get used to it.

You are talking about something less than 1% of the murders. There are
~11,000 a year and the news makers account for less than 100.
Go look at the number of unsolved murders in the big cities where most
of these people fall. Then get back to me. If you want to "Harry out"
I will go get the FBI UCR and do it myself. I have the 2013 in a
spreadsheet as we speak.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:23:26 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:17:39 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

After all, about 90% of gun murderers use guns that were
legally purchased.

That is bull****. They don't even solve 90% of the murders, much less
find and trace the weapon.

So what? You can't name any recent gun mass murderer who
didn't use a legally purchased gun. Go ahead and try.
Might be over 95%. Prove otherwise.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
No difference at all.
Just get used to it.

You are talking about something less than 1% of the murders. There are
~11,000 a year and the news makers account for less than 100.

Because mass murder brings it home. 20 bodies of little
1st graders slaughtered by a legally purchased rifle tends
to do that.

Go look at the number of unsolved murders in the big cities where most
of these people fall. Then get back to me. If you want to "Harry out"
I will go get the FBI UCR and do it myself. I have the 2013 in a
spreadsheet as we speak.

I don't need your spreadsheets. I asked you a question.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
None.
It's the same with the city gang murders. Unless the guns
used in those murders were stolen from the factory, the
vast majority of them were legally purchased by dopes.
Then sold to other dopes.
It's all smoke and mirrors until the Feds crack down on gun
ownership. The only way gun deaths will be reduced is by
making it onerous for the average guy - who is a dope - to
own a gun. Won't happen for a long while.
Just get used to being on the dope side of the fight.
The mass gun murders will continue, and the city shooting
murders will continue. You'll keep defending that as the
"cost of freedom." You're already used to it, since you
compile worthless spreadsheets in defense.
Me, my hands are clean. Never bought a gun. Don't want to
support the death industry.

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:40:28 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Go look at the number of unsolved murders in the big cities where most
of these people fall. Then get back to me. If you want to "Harry out"
I will go get the FBI UCR and do it myself. I have the 2013 in a
spreadsheet as we speak.

I don't need your spreadsheets. I asked you a question.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
None.
It's the same with the city gang murders. Unless the guns
used in those murders were stolen from the factory, the
vast majority of them were legally purchased by dopes.
Then sold to other dopes.
It's all smoke and mirrors until the Feds crack down on gun
ownership. The only way gun deaths will be reduced is by
making it onerous for the average guy - who is a dope - to
own a gun. Won't happen for a long while.
Just get used to being on the dope side of the fight.
The mass gun murders will continue, and the city shooting
murders will continue. You'll keep defending that as the
"cost of freedom." You're already used to it, since you
compile worthless spreadsheets in defense.

You must have missed my follow up note. The real number is 36% of the
murders do not even make it to an arrest much less recovering the
weapon so they do not have a clue where the gun came from even if they
are all registered and the owner was the shooter.
That statistic is even worse when you consider around a third of
murders are domestic/acquaintance killings where the murderer is still
there when the cops get there so they are saying they only catch about
a third of "stranger danger" killers and gang hitters. Those guns are
in the wind. Your registration went in the river with the gun.

Me, my hands are clean. Never bought a gun. Don't want to
support the death industry.

So you really don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion.
You believe what CNN tells you to believe and you refuse to actually
look at the facts

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:40:28 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Go look at the number of unsolved murders in the big cities where most
of these people fall. Then get back to me. If you want to "Harry out"
I will go get the FBI UCR and do it myself. I have the 2013 in a
spreadsheet as we speak.

I don't need your spreadsheets. I asked you a question.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
None.
It's the same with the city gang murders. Unless the guns
used in those murders were stolen from the factory, the
vast majority of them were legally purchased by dopes.
Then sold to other dopes.
It's all smoke and mirrors until the Feds crack down on gun
ownership. The only way gun deaths will be reduced is by
making it onerous for the average guy - who is a dope - to
own a gun. Won't happen for a long while.
Just get used to being on the dope side of the fight.
The mass gun murders will continue, and the city shooting
murders will continue. You'll keep defending that as the
"cost of freedom." You're already used to it, since you
compile worthless spreadsheets in defense.

You must have missed my follow up note. The real number is 36% of the
murders do not even make it to an arrest much less recovering the
weapon so they do not have a clue where the gun came from even if they
are all registered and the owner was the shooter.
That statistic is even worse when you consider around a third of
murders are domestic/acquaintance killings where the murderer is still
there when the cops get there so they are saying they only catch about
a third of "stranger danger" killers and gang hitters. Those guns are
in the wind. Your registration went in the river with the gun.

Me, my hands are clean. Never bought a gun. Don't want to
support the death industry.

So you really don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion.
You believe what CNN tells you to believe and you refuse to actually
look at the facts


What "facts?" Nothing relevent to this discussion.
No, I just dismissed it.

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 01:14:06 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

What "facts?" Nothing relevent to this discussion.
No, I just dismissed it

Since you just want to ban guns, the facts you should look at is the
wonderful success of banning drugs. That worked well didn't it?

On 1/6/2016 11:12 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 01:14:06 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

What "facts?" Nothing relevent to this discussion.
No, I just dismissed it

Since you just want to ban guns, the facts you should look at is the
wonderful success of banning drugs. That worked well didn't it?


I don't think BOA said he *wants* to ban guns. In fact, he said he'd
like to have one. He just said he doesn't object to "jumping through
hoops" in order to have one along with the permit. I agree with his
comment that is probably one of the most meaningful ones made here so far:

"Guns deserve respect".

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:03:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/6/2016 11:12 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 01:14:06 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

What "facts?" Nothing relevent to this discussion.
No, I just dismissed it

Since you just want to ban guns, the facts you should look at is the
wonderful success of banning drugs. That worked well didn't it?


I don't think BOA said he *wants* to ban guns. In fact, he said he'd
like to have one.

He said "Me, my hands are clean. Never bought a gun. Don't want to
support the death industry."

On 1/5/2016 11:40 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:23:26 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:17:39 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

After all, about 90% of gun murderers use guns that were
legally purchased.

That is bull****. They don't even solve 90% of the murders, much less
find and trace the weapon.

So what? You can't name any recent gun mass murderer who
didn't use a legally purchased gun. Go ahead and try.
Might be over 95%. Prove otherwise.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
No difference at all.
Just get used to it.

You are talking about something less than 1% of the murders. There are
~11,000 a year and the news makers account for less than 100.

Because mass murder brings it home. 20 bodies of little
1st graders slaughtered by a legally purchased rifle tends
to do that.

Go look at the number of unsolved murders in the big cities where most
of these people fall. Then get back to me. If you want to "Harry out"
I will go get the FBI UCR and do it myself. I have the 2013 in a
spreadsheet as we speak.

I don't need your spreadsheets. I asked you a question.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
None.
It's the same with the city gang murders. Unless the guns
used in those murders were stolen from the factory, the
vast majority of them were legally purchased by dopes.
Then sold to other dopes.
It's all smoke and mirrors until the Feds crack down on gun
ownership. The only way gun deaths will be reduced is by
making it onerous for the average guy - who is a dope - to
own a gun. Won't happen for a long while.
Just get used to being on the dope side of the fight.
The mass gun murders will continue, and the city shooting
murders will continue. You'll keep defending that as the
"cost of freedom." You're already used to it, since you
compile worthless spreadsheets in defense.
Me, my hands are clean. Never bought a gun. Don't want to
support the death industry.




Some people are only concerned with and support laws or regulations
that protects *them* or their interests. Laws or regulations
that don't concern them are unnecessary and the cost to enforce
them a personal burden in their minds.

In article ,
says...


Some people are only concerned with and support laws or regulations
that protects *them* or their interests. Laws or regulations
that don't concern them are unnecessary and the cost to enforce
them a personal burden in their minds.

You could have just said "gun nut."

On 1/6/2016 2:25 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Some people are only concerned with and support laws or regulations
that protects *them* or their interests. Laws or regulations
that don't concern them are unnecessary and the cost to enforce
them a personal burden in their minds.

You could have just said "gun nut."


I am a gun owner but I don't consider myself a gun nut.

I never owned a firearm when we had kids living with us. Didn't buy my
first gun until 2009 and did so only at the recommendation of
a lawyer friend because I owned and ran a guitar shop and often had
large sums of cash on me. I also had been thinking about getting
a permit and gun simply because my wife and I are now older and not
quite as physically capable as we were years ago in terms of defending
ourselves. So, basically the guns serve as a potential (but unlikely)
home invasion defense. Most of the time they sit in a safe that
I can guarantee even Greg couldn't "crack" unless he used dynamite. :-)