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On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?

More FAA RC registration crap
 

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:08:10 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?


The question had to do with making the information available to the public, not kept
in a 'statie' file.

But of course, you wouldn't care. After all, why shouldn't the homies up in PG County
know you keep a well supplied arsenal at your house, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

More FAA RC registration crap
 

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:28:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


BATF requires that the dealers keep the records until they go out of
business and then they get sent to BATF. It is a fairly leaky process
tho and until fairly recently BATF had no easy way of looking at those
records. They are supposed to be computerizing this but it still might
be years before all the old records get into the system ... if they
can still be located and read.
There is also a law that requires that instant check records be
destroyed after a short time but it is the government. I doubt any
record is destroyed before someone makes a copy.
Guns sold before GCA 68 got implemented universally are even less well
documented and there may not be any documentation of what happened to
any gun since the original sale.

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:50:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Absolutely.

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


Have a few questions about storing paperwork...

1) How long do FFL's need to keep the DROS & 4473 paperwork?


The Federal paperwork has to be kept for 20 years for completed transfers, 5 years
for non-completed transfers. The DROS forms are to be retained for 3 years.


2) Does the paperwork need to be stored onsite the entire time?


Yes, it has to be stored at the licensed location. Although the FFL can turn over
records to the BATF, so in that case it would not be stored at the licensed location.


3) Do all pages of the 4473 need to be kept (including pages 3-6)?

Yes, it is part of the 4473.

There is also the dealers "bound book" that he records every
transaction in and it never goes away.

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On 12/22/2015 10:50 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:28:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

Absolutely.

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


Have a few questions about storing paperwork...

1) How long do FFL's need to keep the DROS & 4473 paperwork?


The Federal paperwork has to be kept for 20 years for completed transfers, 5 years
for non-completed transfers. The DROS forms are to be retained for 3 years.


2) Does the paperwork need to be stored onsite the entire time?


Yes, it has to be stored at the licensed location. Although the FFL can turn over
records to the BATF, so in that case it would not be stored at the licensed location.


3) Do all pages of the 4473 need to be kept (including pages 3-6)?

Yes, it is part of the 4473.


John, do you agree with or have any objections to the record keeping you
have referenced (above) ?

If not, why do you think the records are kept in the first place?

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:54:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:50 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:28:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

Absolutely.

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


Have a few questions about storing paperwork...

1) How long do FFL's need to keep the DROS & 4473 paperwork?


The Federal paperwork has to be kept for 20 years for completed transfers, 5 years
for non-completed transfers. The DROS forms are to be retained for 3 years.


2) Does the paperwork need to be stored onsite the entire time?


Yes, it has to be stored at the licensed location. Although the FFL can turn over
records to the BATF, so in that case it would not be stored at the licensed location.


3) Do all pages of the 4473 need to be kept (including pages 3-6)?

Yes, it is part of the 4473.


John, do you agree with or have any objections to the record keeping you
have referenced (above) ?

If not, why do you think the records are kept in the first place?


No, I have no objection to the FFL guy keeping the records. That doesn't mean I agree
with the registration in the first place.

I think the record keeping is good CYA for the FFL guy.
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Ban idiots, not guns!

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On 12/22/15 11:17 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:08:10 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?


The question had to do with making the information available to the public, not kept
in a 'statie' file.

But of course, you wouldn't care. After all, why shouldn't the homies up in PG County
know you keep a well supplied arsenal at your house, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Easier to get what they want at your typical Virginia gun show, right?
No background checks.

More FAA RC registration crap
 

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:02:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 11:17 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:08:10 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?


The question had to do with making the information available to the public, not kept
in a 'statie' file.

But of course, you wouldn't care. After all, why shouldn't the homies up in PG County
know you keep a well supplied arsenal at your house, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Easier to get what they want at your typical Virginia gun show, right?
No background checks.

Never mind, I suppose I'm not 'entitled' to an answer to the question.

Your gun show bull**** has been debunked many times. Of course, so was the owl
photograph.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:02:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/22/15 11:17 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:08:10 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?


The question had to do with making the information available to the public, not kept
in a 'statie' file.

But of course, you wouldn't care. After all, why shouldn't the homies up in PG County
know you keep a well supplied arsenal at your house, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Easier to get what they want at your typical Virginia gun show, right?
No background checks.

Ya sure because there are no private sales in Maryland