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John H.[_5_] December 21st 15 08:23 PM

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What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
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Ban idiots, not guns!

Keyser Söze December 21st 15 08:53 PM

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On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--



Awwwwwwwwww. :)


[email protected] December 21st 15 09:50 PM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--



Awwwwwwwwww. :)


Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.

Keyser Söze December 21st 15 10:16 PM

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wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--



Awwwwwwwwww. :)


Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

[email protected] December 22nd 15 12:12 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)


Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

The list of people with a handgun license?

[email protected] December 22nd 15 12:14 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:12:22 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

The list of people with a handgun license?


===

Or concealed carry permits.

Keyser Söze December 22nd 15 12:56 AM

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wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

[email protected] December 22nd 15 01:21 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?


Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

Keyser Söze December 22nd 15 01:42 AM

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wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?
The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?


Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

All the carry permit states is that you can carry, and the HQL states you
can buy a handgun. Neither states whether you own a handgun. There is no
firearms regustry.


--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

John H.[_5_] December 22nd 15 02:06 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?
The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?


Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

All the carry permit states is that you can carry, and the HQL states you
can buy a handgun. Neither states whether you own a handgun. There is no
firearms regustry.


So it would be OK if Maryland published the names and address of those with a carry
permit?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Keyser Söze December 22nd 15 02:20 AM

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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?
The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?

Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

All the carry permit states is that you can carry, and the HQL states you
can buy a handgun. Neither states whether you own a handgun. There is no
firearms regustry.


So it would be OK if Maryland published the names and address of those with a


It would be ok with me.

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

[email protected] December 22nd 15 02:25 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:20:17 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?
The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?

Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

All the carry permit states is that you can carry, and the HQL states you
can buy a handgun. Neither states whether you own a handgun. There is no
firearms regustry.


So it would be OK if Maryland published the names and address of those with a


It would be ok with me.


===

Cool.

We need someone to make a Freedom of Information request.

[email protected] December 22nd 15 02:54 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?
The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?


Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

All the carry permit states is that you can carry, and the HQL states you
can buy a handgun. Neither states whether you own a handgun. There is no
firearms regustry.


As usual you avoided the question over semantics.
How would you feel if those records were all public.

[email protected] December 22nd 15 02:58 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:25:23 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:20:17 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?
The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?

Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

All the carry permit states is that you can carry, and the HQL states you
can buy a handgun. Neither states whether you own a handgun. There is no
firearms regustry.

So it would be OK if Maryland published the names and address of those with a


It would be ok with me.


===

Cool.

We need someone to make a Freedom of Information request.


There are 10 states that allow these records to be released. Md and
Fla are not on the list.

[email protected] December 22nd 15 03:16 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:58:37 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:25:23 -0500,

wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:20:17 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:42:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?
The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?

Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

All the carry permit states is that you can carry, and the HQL states you
can buy a handgun. Neither states whether you own a handgun. There is no
firearms regustry.

So it would be OK if Maryland published the names and address of those with a


It would be ok with me.


===

Cool.

We need someone to make a Freedom of Information request.


There are 10 states that allow these records to be released. Md and
Fla are not on the list.


===

Drat. We'll have to get the lawyers on it. :-)

Mr. Luddite December 22nd 15 05:27 AM

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?


When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?




Mr. Luddite December 22nd 15 05:35 AM

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On 12/21/2015 8:42 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:56:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?
The list of people with a handgun license?


Are you referring to a carry permit or the HQL?


Why not both of them. It might be easy to argue those people are as
much of an interest to the public as a guy with a 9 ounce drone.

I doubt you would mind though since any government intrusion into your
rights and privacy seem fine with you.

All the carry permit states is that you can carry, and the HQL states you
can buy a handgun. Neither states whether you own a handgun. There is no
firearms regustry.



Curious. There is no record of the purchase? (assuming the purchase is
from an FFL or licensed gun shop).



John H.[_5_] December 22nd 15 03:20 PM

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?


When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Mr. Luddite December 22nd 15 03:28 PM

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On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?


When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.


Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



John H.[_5_] December 22nd 15 03:50 PM

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:28:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.


Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?


Absolutely.

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


Have a few questions about storing paperwork...

1) How long do FFL's need to keep the DROS & 4473 paperwork?


The Federal paperwork has to be kept for 20 years for completed transfers, 5 years
for non-completed transfers. The DROS forms are to be retained for 3 years.


2) Does the paperwork need to be stored onsite the entire time?


Yes, it has to be stored at the licensed location. Although the FFL can turn over
records to the BATF, so in that case it would not be stored at the licensed location.


3) Do all pages of the 4473 need to be kept (including pages 3-6)?

Yes, it is part of the 4473.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Keyser Söze December 22nd 15 04:08 PM

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On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.


Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?



John H.[_5_] December 22nd 15 04:17 PM

More FAA RC registration crap
 
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:08:10 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.


Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?


The question had to do with making the information available to the public, not kept
in a 'statie' file.

But of course, you wouldn't care. After all, why shouldn't the homies up in PG County
know you keep a well supplied arsenal at your house, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

[email protected] December 22nd 15 04:41 PM

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:28:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.


Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


BATF requires that the dealers keep the records until they go out of
business and then they get sent to BATF. It is a fairly leaky process
tho and until fairly recently BATF had no easy way of looking at those
records. They are supposed to be computerizing this but it still might
be years before all the old records get into the system ... if they
can still be located and read.
There is also a law that requires that instant check records be
destroyed after a short time but it is the government. I doubt any
record is destroyed before someone makes a copy.
Guns sold before GCA 68 got implemented universally are even less well
documented and there may not be any documentation of what happened to
any gun since the original sale.

[email protected] December 22nd 15 04:44 PM

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:50:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Absolutely.

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


Have a few questions about storing paperwork...

1) How long do FFL's need to keep the DROS & 4473 paperwork?


The Federal paperwork has to be kept for 20 years for completed transfers, 5 years
for non-completed transfers. The DROS forms are to be retained for 3 years.


2) Does the paperwork need to be stored onsite the entire time?


Yes, it has to be stored at the licensed location. Although the FFL can turn over
records to the BATF, so in that case it would not be stored at the licensed location.


3) Do all pages of the 4473 need to be kept (including pages 3-6)?

Yes, it is part of the 4473.


There is also the dealers "bound book" that he records every
transaction in and it never goes away.

Mr. Luddite December 22nd 15 04:54 PM

More FAA RC registration crap
 
On 12/22/2015 10:50 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:28:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.


Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?


Absolutely.

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


Have a few questions about storing paperwork...

1) How long do FFL's need to keep the DROS & 4473 paperwork?


The Federal paperwork has to be kept for 20 years for completed transfers, 5 years
for non-completed transfers. The DROS forms are to be retained for 3 years.


2) Does the paperwork need to be stored onsite the entire time?


Yes, it has to be stored at the licensed location. Although the FFL can turn over
records to the BATF, so in that case it would not be stored at the licensed location.


3) Do all pages of the 4473 need to be kept (including pages 3-6)?

Yes, it is part of the 4473.



John, do you agree with or have any objections to the record keeping you
have referenced (above) ?

If not, why do you think the records are kept in the first place?




John H.[_5_] December 22nd 15 04:59 PM

More FAA RC registration crap
 
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:54:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:50 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:28:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/
--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?


Absolutely.

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.


Have a few questions about storing paperwork...

1) How long do FFL's need to keep the DROS & 4473 paperwork?


The Federal paperwork has to be kept for 20 years for completed transfers, 5 years
for non-completed transfers. The DROS forms are to be retained for 3 years.


2) Does the paperwork need to be stored onsite the entire time?


Yes, it has to be stored at the licensed location. Although the FFL can turn over
records to the BATF, so in that case it would not be stored at the licensed location.


3) Do all pages of the 4473 need to be kept (including pages 3-6)?

Yes, it is part of the 4473.



John, do you agree with or have any objections to the record keeping you
have referenced (above) ?

If not, why do you think the records are kept in the first place?


No, I have no objection to the FFL guy keeping the records. That doesn't mean I agree
with the registration in the first place.

I think the record keeping is good CYA for the FFL guy.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Keyser Söze December 22nd 15 05:02 PM

More FAA RC registration crap
 
On 12/22/15 11:17 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:08:10 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?


The question had to do with making the information available to the public, not kept
in a 'statie' file.

But of course, you wouldn't care. After all, why shouldn't the homies up in PG County
know you keep a well supplied arsenal at your house, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Easier to get what they want at your typical Virginia gun show, right?
No background checks.

John H.[_5_] December 22nd 15 05:12 PM

More FAA RC registration crap
 
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:02:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 11:17 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:08:10 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?


The question had to do with making the information available to the public, not kept
in a 'statie' file.

But of course, you wouldn't care. After all, why shouldn't the homies up in PG County
know you keep a well supplied arsenal at your house, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Easier to get what they want at your typical Virginia gun show, right?
No background checks.


Never mind, I suppose I'm not 'entitled' to an answer to the question.

Your gun show bull**** has been debunked many times. Of course, so was the owl
photograph.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

[email protected] December 22nd 15 06:13 PM

More FAA RC registration crap
 
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:02:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/22/15 11:17 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:08:10 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/22/15 10:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:27:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:16:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:53:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/21/15 3:23 PM, John H. wrote:
What a pile of ****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...cly-available/

--


Awwwwwwwwww. :)

Maybe they should make the Maryland firearms registry public.


What registry?

When you purchase a firearm from an FFL in Maryland does he record the
purchase with your name, permit or license number, gun model or type and
serial number?


They sure do in Virginia.

Isn't that a "registry" of sorts?

I think in some states the FFL is required to maintain purchase records
for some number of years. Those records, identifying the purchaser, the
gun model and serial number would be available to LEOs if required.

I believe that my state electronically records purchase records into a
state data base. This applies to both FFL and private sales.



It has been a few years since I read up on this in Maryland, but my
recollection is that the State Police do not maintain a firearms
purchase database. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter to me. Why would
I care if the Staties knew I have a couple of pistols and a few rifles?


The question had to do with making the information available to the public, not kept
in a 'statie' file.

But of course, you wouldn't care. After all, why shouldn't the homies up in PG County
know you keep a well supplied arsenal at your house, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Easier to get what they want at your typical Virginia gun show, right?
No background checks.


Ya sure because there are no private sales in Maryland


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