On 12/20/2015 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:31:10 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

We only have the little red squirrels around here and one guy competes with the Blue Jays and crows for the shelled peanuts the wife puts out. My Springer spaniel loves to watch him running along the wires strung from the power poles.
I have a video of the squirrel jumping from our deck to the little bag of bird seed made into a ball with bacon fat, hanging from a tree branch. It spins when he landscape on it but he gets what he wants and then he jumps back to our deck. No sign of him attempting 'break and entry'.

We have lots of gray squirrels here because of all of the live oaks
and laurel oaks. Mr Ed is not really interested in them at all. He was
interested in the rabbits but he didn't chase them. Once he did get
close enough to lick one but he was so non-threatening walking up that
the rabbit just stood there. The lick did send him off tho. It was one
of those things I wish I had recorded.
They stood there nose to nose for about 20 seconds.

I get squirrels on the boat from time to time but the boat is buttoned
up tight enough that they don't cause any damage. They were eating
holes in my lift cover until I covered the edges with aluminum
flashing.


I had one of the center console outboards at one of those Florida rack
storage places for a couple of years. The second year I went to use it
and squirrels had eaten through and destroyed a good part of the wiring
in the boat. Even the big battery wires were chewed through.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2015 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:46:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Not an option where I live. Even if it were, the red squirrels are
sneaky little *******s and fast as hell. When I was releasing them from
the trap they would accelerate from 0 to about 70 mph in 1 second flat
and be gone before you could even take aim. :-)

You rarely see them running around in the woods, unlike the grey squirrels.


As Tim could point out, squirrel hunting requires patience and being
able to sit still. You don't stalk them, you just sit where they hang
out and wait. Eventually they ignore you and come out.



I have no interest in hunting them but when they set up residence in
your house it's time for them to be encouraged to move on. They can be
very destructive if left there long enough, including chewing through
wiring and starting a fire.




When I grew up we had nice Grey Squirrels. Some Midwestern idiots brought
some of the red fox squirrels here, illegally. Now most of the Bay Area is
overrun with red squirrel, as they are more aggressive than the native
grey. We have probably 10 or 12 living in the palm tree and the owl box I
installed, they eat a lot of the sunflower seeds I put in the bird feeder.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 12:24:39 -0500,
wrote:

My paternal grandparents lived in rural Michigan on a fair sized piece
of property. My grandmother was an animal lover who wouldn't hurt a
flea with the exception of red squirrels - because of their
destructiveness. She'd sound the alarm if she spotted a red squirrel
in the yard and someone would be sent out to dispatch it with a 410
shotgun. There were no repeat offenders.

They must have really been ****ed at them in Maryland because they
were virtually endangered (before we had the term) when we were
hunting. You couldn't take one but that was not a problem because I
never saw one until I traveled away from there. I was surprised the
first time I saw one in Georgia or something and thought I had seen a
dinosaur. Then I saw they were everywhere ;-)

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:48:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/20/2015 12:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:16:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Good news is: They're gone.

Learned a lot about theses little pests though and thought I'd pass on
what I discovered in case anyone else ever has this problem.

First, contrary to what I originally thought, these were not baby or
young grey squirrels. They were full grown American Red Squirrels.
Red Squirrels are common just about everywhere, you just don't see them
out and about as often as the grey squirrels. They are slightly larger
than a chipmunk. The fur is not necessarily as "red" as you might think
but their underbelly is white and they have black rings around their eyes.

I was catching 7 or 8 a day in a HaveaHart trap that I was setting in a
workshop in the attic and then releasing them. Mistake number one.
As others pointed out, they were returning to the house probably faster
than I was coming back from the woods where I released them. Good news
was ... there weren't as many of them as I feared. They were just about
6 or 7 repeat visitors.

I discovered how they were getting in. The four season's porch we have
does not have a poured concrete foundation like the rest of the house
although it does have a stone facade on the framing that looks like a
foundation. The floor framing is insulated but, because it is also
heated, there are gaps in the heating piping from the house basement and
an easy route for the little critters to get in the basement and then
into walls, etc. Plugged the gaps.

I also found a large hole dug under the facade on the side of the house
facing the woods. Filled it in with rocks, gravel and dirt and then
sprinkled some squirrel and rodent repellant everywhere around where the
hole previously existed.

Caught a few more in the trap but now it's been two days that the trap
remains empty and we don't hear any little critters running around up
there or in the walls at night.

Now, here's some info I found interesting and unbelievable:

In Massachusetts and a few other states, it is illegal to trap
squirrels, even if on your property. I think they are referring to grey
squirrels, but the statute doesn't distinguish what squirrel they are
talking about. You can hunt squirrels ... but only during squirrel
hunting season (twice a year). It requires a hunting license and you
can shoot them or hunt them with bow and arrow. Trapping is *not* allowed.

But, get this:

It is also illegal to transport and relocate squirrels or any other wild
animal in this and many other states. Two primary reasons.
First, squirrels are smart little *******s. Once they associate lights
with the potential of a warm, dry attic they like to invade. Relocating
them, regardless of the distance, only serves to transfer your squirrel
problem to someone else. The second reason comes from
tree hugging, animal rights organizations. They claim that squirrels
are very territorial and will attack and kill an immigrant to their
area. The animal rights people are concerned about the stress put on
the poor little creatures. There is actually a licensed animal rights
group who will attempt to "relocate" squirrels under controlled, minimal
stress conditions.

It turns out, if one was to completely stay in accordance with state
laws, the only way to legally get rid of them is to hire a licensed pest
control company who will set traps and then dispose of them by
euthanasia. Killing them after capture is considered the most humane
method of disposing of them because it causes the least amount
of stress on them. However, to be totally law abiding, the property
owner can't do it. You have to pay $1,000 or more to have it done.

I found several articles written by professional pest control experts.
One attempted to test the belief that squirrels will find their way
back to where they set up home by trapping them, tagging them and then
releasing them at different distances from where they were caught.
At three miles, almost all the squirrels returned. At seven miles, half
returned. In one case a tagged squirrel returned after being released
*25* miles from where it was caught.

Best method to euthanize them?

Shooting: Not recommended, either by pellet gun or firearm of any
type. Most residential areas don't allow discharge of a firearm
on your property anyway unless you are located far from any roads
or other houses.

Poison: Definitely not recommended. Stressful to animal and, if
they die in your house it's going to stink for a couple of weeks.

CO2: Not recommended. Dangerous to do and not always effective.

Drowning: This is the recommended and most humane way to euthanize
them. Once trapped, put the entire trap in a big bucket of water. Only
takes about 15-20 seconds and it's all over. Give it a full minute or
two in order to be absolutely sure.

We are now squirrel free.



===

My paternal grandparents lived in rural Michigan on a fair sized piece
of property. My grandmother was an animal lover who wouldn't hurt a
flea with the exception of red squirrels - because of their
destructiveness. She'd sound the alarm if she spotted a red squirrel
in the yard and someone would be sent out to dispatch it with a 410
shotgun. There were no repeat offenders.


I am married to the ultimate animal lover. I showed her one of the
squirrels I trapped (before I dispatched of it) and all she could say
was, "Awwwwwww......" and comment on how cute it was.

Her attitude changed last week though. She fell asleep watching TV
while sitting on a recliner in the four seasons porch. She likes it
there because it's heated and warm but the walls are all windows so she
can look outside.

She woke up because she felt something on the back of her hand. It was
one of those squirrels. She freaked and the squirrel ran into the large
living room that adjoins the porch. I went down to see what the
commotion was all about. My wife was holding one of those long
"grippers" that let you pick stuff up that are up high in a cabinet or
something. At first I told her she probably dreamed it due to the
squirrel activities that were going on. But, as we talked, I happened
to look up at a cabinet that is built into one of the living room walls
and up on top, on the molding of the cabinet, I saw the critter's little
head looking down at us. I couldn't believe it. I took the gripper,
stood against the wall and swung it at him. Clonked him
right on the head, knocked him out, and he fell to the floor. Took him
outside and .. let's just say he is now in squirrel heaven.

Not so cute anymore.


My sister had a mouse and she wouldn't let me use a real Victor trap
so I did the trash can trick and we caught him about 1AM. I dumped him
out of the trash can into a mayonnaise jar and she got a look at him.
Pretty soon he had a name and she wanted to have him for a pet.
I asked if I should just turn him loose and she said "way back in the
woods". It ended up being half way back to my house on the side of the
road, out my window.
Geronimo! about 60.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:14:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/20/2015 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:31:10 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

We only have the little red squirrels around here and one guy competes with the Blue Jays and crows for the shelled peanuts the wife puts out. My Springer spaniel loves to watch him running along the wires strung from the power poles.
I have a video of the squirrel jumping from our deck to the little bag of bird seed made into a ball with bacon fat, hanging from a tree branch. It spins when he landscape on it but he gets what he wants and then he jumps back to our deck. No sign of him attempting 'break and entry'.

We have lots of gray squirrels here because of all of the live oaks
and laurel oaks. Mr Ed is not really interested in them at all. He was
interested in the rabbits but he didn't chase them. Once he did get
close enough to lick one but he was so non-threatening walking up that
the rabbit just stood there. The lick did send him off tho. It was one
of those things I wish I had recorded.
They stood there nose to nose for about 20 seconds.

I get squirrels on the boat from time to time but the boat is buttoned
up tight enough that they don't cause any damage. They were eating
holes in my lift cover until I covered the edges with aluminum
flashing.


I had one of the center console outboards at one of those Florida rack
storage places for a couple of years. The second year I went to use it
and squirrels had eaten through and destroyed a good part of the wiring
in the boat. Even the big battery wires were chewed through.

Been there done that. Like I said, my boat is pretty buttoned up.

- show quoted text -
I have no interest in hunting them but when they set up residence in
your house it's time for them to be encouraged to move on. They can be
very destructive if left there long enough, including chewing through
wiring and starting a fire.
......

Richard, there's seone in here that needs to share your experiences so they can have a finer apretiation for the cute little woodland creatures...

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2015 8:42 AM, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:16:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Good news is: They're gone.


I discovered how they were getting in.

I would still keep looking. These guys are pretty resourceful about
exploiting the smallest hole and enlarging it.


I've gone around the entire house looking for entry ways. Found none
other than the hole going under the 5 seasons porch. Checked soffets
using binoculars and can't see anything other than one small hole that
I had already patched.

The fact that I haven't had any repeat customers is encouraging.
For the past week or so they have been very active up there, especially
from about 9 pm and all night long until morning. It has been nice to
get a decent night's sleep.



I am not sure about now but when I was in Maryland, the red squirrels
were protected and you couldn't take them at all.


According to Wiki, they are not under any conservation concern other
than in Arizona where their numbers have been diminishing since 1987.





Ship them to AZ! Problem solved.

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:45:16 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Make that..'when he landscape on it'
(sorry to the turds....I know y'all live to catch my PlayBooks errors)
It makes even less sense now. How does one 'landscape' on something?

Oh, and ask Harry to explain the punctuation errors. Ask specifically about 'run-on
sentences'.

Don, you are the one who brought up the 'queen's English'. You're perfectly within
your right to point out errors made by others, but you look foolish when you turn
around and make even more yourself.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


That imbecile is worse than the people he "corrects" and blames it on a
POS tablet? Ridiculous.

True North wrote:
John H.
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:45:16 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Make that..'when he landscape on it'
(sorry to the turds....I know y'all live to catch my PlayBooks errors)
"It makes even less sense now. How does one 'landscape' on something?"


D'oh!
+@"$@ BlackBerry did it again.
Time to show it the control you're sorely lacking over your 'turds'.


You have the ability to proofread before you hit send despite the ****ty
device you are using. You can only blame yourself and name-calling
doesn't create the diversion you desire no matter what you think.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:52:28 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:45:16 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Make that..'when he landscape on it'
(sorry to the turds....I know y'all live to catch my PlayBooks errors)
It makes even less sense now. How does one 'landscape' on something?

Oh, and ask Harry to explain the punctuation errors. Ask specifically about 'run-on
sentences'.

Don, you are the one who brought up the 'queen's English'. You're perfectly within
your right to point out errors made by others, but you look foolish when you turn
around and make even more yourself.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


That imbecile is worse than the people he "corrects" and blames it on a
POS tablet? Ridiculous.

Yup.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!