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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:29:53 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. === You can get a very good Windows laptop or desktop for much less than that. Here's an example: http://www.amazon.com/HP-Spectre-x360-13-4102dx-2560x1440/dp/B0114P9QM2 Don't buy any software. He'll be able to get it at *much* cheaper student rates when he's in college. It's unlikely that you'll get much of a discount on hardware however. Amazon will probably have better prices for that. Apple has student pricing on hardware and software. Find someone who has a friend or relative who works for Apple. They can get you family pricing. I think it was 20% discount. Good idea. Thanks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:29:53 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:29:37 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:20:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. Sounds like a lot to me. What are they doing to need that much power? I don't know. He only wants a 13" screen. Here's what he had on his Christmas list (which ain't gonna happen). "13 inch Macbook Pro (256GB storage model) w/retina display 3.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel i7, turbo boost up to 3.4 GHz, with 16 GB RAM" He said, when I asked him why he needed so much power, that the software they used in the biomed arena required it. His dad will check him out though. Just the fact that it is Apple adds a grand right on top. Can he run a windows machine? Lots of the schools seemed to be locked in to Apple. Sort of like school sports locked to Nike, etc. Come to think of it, all the ones I've bought for kids going to college have been Apple (Macs). There must be something going on with the schools. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:29:53 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:29:37 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:20:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. Sounds like a lot to me. What are they doing to need that much power? I don't know. He only wants a 13" screen. Here's what he had on his Christmas list (which ain't gonna happen). "13 inch Macbook Pro (256GB storage model) w/retina display 3.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel i7, turbo boost up to 3.4 GHz, with 16 GB RAM" He said, when I asked him why he needed so much power, that the software they used in the biomed arena required it. His dad will check him out though. Just the fact that it is Apple adds a grand right on top. Can he run a windows machine? Lots of the schools seemed to be locked in to Apple. Sort of like school sports locked to Nike, etc. Come to think of it, all the ones I've bought for kids going to college have been Apple (Macs). There must be something going on with the schools. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. |
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On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:29:53 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:29:37 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:20:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. Sounds like a lot to me. What are they doing to need that much power? I don't know. He only wants a 13" screen. Here's what he had on his Christmas list (which ain't gonna happen). "13 inch Macbook Pro (256GB storage model) w/retina display 3.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel i7, turbo boost up to 3.4 GHz, with 16 GB RAM" He said, when I asked him why he needed so much power, that the software they used in the biomed arena required it. His dad will check him out though. Just the fact that it is Apple adds a grand right on top. Can he run a windows machine? Lots of the schools seemed to be locked in to Apple. Sort of like school sports locked to Nike, etc. Come to think of it, all the ones I've bought for kids going to college have been Apple (Macs). There must be something going on with the schools. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? |
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:29:53 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:29:37 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:20:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. Sounds like a lot to me. What are they doing to need that much power? I don't know. He only wants a 13" screen. Here's what he had on his Christmas list (which ain't gonna happen). "13 inch Macbook Pro (256GB storage model) w/retina display 3.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel i7, turbo boost up to 3.4 GHz, with 16 GB RAM" He said, when I asked him why he needed so much power, that the software they used in the biomed arena required it. His dad will check him out though. Just the fact that it is Apple adds a grand right on top. Can he run a windows machine? Lots of the schools seemed to be locked in to Apple. Sort of like school sports locked to Nike, etc. Come to think of it, all the ones I've bought for kids going to college have been Apple (Macs). There must be something going on with the schools. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. The GM at my wife's club is an Apple junkie but he still understands he will be running Windows desktops. If the person is any more than a typist, they will need to understand how to operate the Windows platform. Running "Office" apps is not the only thing they do. System integrators usually write business software to Windows. Apple got the penetration they have in education by giving away their products at cost (or less). That is why Eduquest was selling our products at a 60% discount to anyone who could hold up a school credential. They also got consulting and systems integration for free. Eduquest ran out of my office and I heard them griping about Apple "dumping" (selling below cost) on them all the time. I would be surprised if there is not a big discount these days too but I do understand that once a drug dealer has his customers hooked, he can raise prices. |
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True North wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. "Sounds like a lot to me. What are they doing to need that much power?" Gaming....that's what my son says to me.......usually followed by how little capability I need for what I do. You said more than you will ever know! |
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:14:53 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:29:53 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:29:37 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:20:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. Sounds like a lot to me. What are they doing to need that much power? I don't know. He only wants a 13" screen. Here's what he had on his Christmas list (which ain't gonna happen). "13 inch Macbook Pro (256GB storage model) w/retina display 3.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel i7, turbo boost up to 3.4 GHz, with 16 GB RAM" He said, when I asked him why he needed so much power, that the software they used in the biomed arena required it. His dad will check him out though. Just the fact that it is Apple adds a grand right on top. Can he run a windows machine? Lots of the schools seemed to be locked in to Apple. Sort of like school sports locked to Nike, etc. Come to think of it, all the ones I've bought for kids going to college have been Apple (Macs). There must be something going on with the schools. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. When I was teaching, the county provided all the teachers with Apple desktops and took away our Windows desktops. Of course none of the software we were using would work, so the county then gave us Windows emulators. That made things even messier. After a couple years, they went back to Windows machines. Lot of wasted money. Don't know what they're using now. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:29:53 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:29:37 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:20:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. Sounds like a lot to me. What are they doing to need that much power? I don't know. He only wants a 13" screen. Here's what he had on his Christmas list (which ain't gonna happen). "13 inch Macbook Pro (256GB storage model) w/retina display 3.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel i7, turbo boost up to 3.4 GHz, with 16 GB RAM" He said, when I asked him why he needed so much power, that the software they used in the biomed arena required it. His dad will check him out though. Just the fact that it is Apple adds a grand right on top. Can he run a windows machine? Lots of the schools seemed to be locked in to Apple. Sort of like school sports locked to Nike, etc. Come to think of it, all the ones I've bought for kids going to college have been Apple (Macs). There must be something going on with the schools. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:57:39 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:14:53 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:29:53 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:29:37 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:20:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:08:15 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:51:40 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:38:12 -0500, wrote: You can find some very capable machines coming off lease right now. Nah, gotta be new. OK, then you can't complain about the price. True. His dad's going to see what the school recommends once he gets accepted. I'm figuring somewhere between$2-3K. Sounds like a lot to me. What are they doing to need that much power? I don't know. He only wants a 13" screen. Here's what he had on his Christmas list (which ain't gonna happen). "13 inch Macbook Pro (256GB storage model) w/retina display 3.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel i7, turbo boost up to 3.4 GHz, with 16 GB RAM" He said, when I asked him why he needed so much power, that the software they used in the biomed arena required it. His dad will check him out though. Just the fact that it is Apple adds a grand right on top. Can he run a windows machine? Lots of the schools seemed to be locked in to Apple. Sort of like school sports locked to Nike, etc. Come to think of it, all the ones I've bought for kids going to college have been Apple (Macs). There must be something going on with the schools. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. When I was teaching, the county provided all the teachers with Apple desktops and took away our Windows desktops. Of course none of the software we were using would work, so the county then gave us Windows emulators. That made things even messier. After a couple years, they went back to Windows machines. Lot of wasted money. Don't know what they're using now. I imagine Apple made them an offer they couldn't refuse. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:21:40 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. That is a false equivalency but you can't deny that there is far more business software written to the Wintel platform than for Apple. At my wife's place, her boss has an apple hard on and he insisted that when they went to a tablet based order system, that they go with I-pads. It turned out that the apps were few and far between and it would not directly interface with their accounting software so they ended up with a kludge that made more work for everyone. These days businesses do far more with computers than Office apps. This is just a small country club in SW Florida and they have a dozen separate computer apps. It is everything from the gate system to scheduling tee times online and running the food business. The people in the office need to understand all of them. |
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In article ,
says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:23:58 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. Liberal media, all Apple owners, college students? Who are the '****ing effete snobs'? Maybe you should stick to your area of expertise - ISIS. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a "PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or change how they operate other than in the options that the application may allow. When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just died. My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck with them. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:11:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a "PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or change how they operate other than in the options that the application may allow. When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just died. My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck with them. Can't you just say, "Siri, get a movie!"? -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 12/20/2015 2:45 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:11:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". Can't you just say, "Siri, get a movie!"? I guess not on an iPad. I assume she is using Netflicks or something but I really don't know. I am not big into watching movies although once in a while the Turner Classic Movies channel (TMC) will have a great, old movie that I'll watch. Watched "The Dirty Dozen" again yesterday. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:59:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/20/2015 2:45 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:11:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". Can't you just say, "Siri, get a movie!"? I guess not on an iPad. I assume she is using Netflicks or something but I really don't know. I am not big into watching movies although once in a while the Turner Classic Movies channel (TMC) will have a great, old movie that I'll watch. Watched "The Dirty Dozen" again yesterday. I don't know where I picked up this trick, 'cause I sure don't have a smart phone. When the kids were here for Christmas, I'd divided leftover turkey into two bags. Then I asked the daughters if they had a coin. No. Could I use a phone to ask Siri a question. Yes. So I asked one daughter to call heads or tails. She called heads. I told Siri, "Siri, flip a coin." The next sound is Siri saying, "Tails." Neither of them knew of that. Couldn't believe I got 'em on something. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Interesting gun. I don't have one...
In article QLadnbvM1aXBYOvLnZ2dnUU7-
, says... On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a "PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or change how they operate other than in the options that the application may allow. When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just died. My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". My kids do most of the same things I do on my PC on the Iphones/Galaxies. But in much smaller graphics .. I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck with them. Well, then what advantages do Apples offer except "status?" |
Interesting gun. I don't have one...
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:34:40 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:
In article QLadnbvM1aXBYOvLnZ2dnUU7- , says... On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a "PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or change how they operate other than in the options that the application may allow. When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just died. My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". My kids do most of the same things I do on my PC on the Iphones/Galaxies. But in much smaller graphics . I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck with them. Well, then what advantages do Apples offer except "status?" You missed my question. Who are the f'ing effete snobs? You attempt to sound pretty f'ing effete yourself. Is that because of your superior knowledge of ISIS? -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Interesting gun. I don't have one...
On 12/20/2015 3:34 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article QLadnbvM1aXBYOvLnZ2dnUU7- , says... On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a "PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or change how they operate other than in the options that the application may allow. When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just died. My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". My kids do most of the same things I do on my PC on the Iphones/Galaxies. But in much smaller graphics . I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck with them. Well, then what advantages do Apples offer except "status?" Can't think of one. I think Mac computers may have had an advantage in terms of how quickly they could run applications years ago but Windows based PC's have closed that gap. One thing I could never figure out. It seems to take much longer for an Apple application to download and install compared to non-Apple programs. Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. |
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On 12/20/2015 3:43 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:34:40 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article QLadnbvM1aXBYOvLnZ2dnUU7- , says... On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a "PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or change how they operate other than in the options that the application may allow. When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just died. My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". My kids do most of the same things I do on my PC on the Iphones/Galaxies. But in much smaller graphics . I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck with them. Well, then what advantages do Apples offer except "status?" You missed my question. Who are the f'ing effete snobs? You attempt to sound pretty f'ing effete yourself. Is that because of your superior knowledge of ISIS? Hemorrhoids bothering you today John? He was referring to the newscasters with their Apple computers prominently displayed on their desks during broadcasts. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:56:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/20/2015 3:43 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:34:40 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article QLadnbvM1aXBYOvLnZ2dnUU7- , says... On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a "PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or change how they operate other than in the options that the application may allow. When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just died. My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". My kids do most of the same things I do on my PC on the Iphones/Galaxies. But in much smaller graphics . I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck with them. Well, then what advantages do Apples offer except "status?" You missed my question. Who are the f'ing effete snobs? You attempt to sound pretty f'ing effete yourself. Is that because of your superior knowledge of ISIS? Hemorrhoids bothering you today John? He was referring to the newscasters with their Apple computers prominently displayed on their desks during broadcasts. And here I thought he was referring to Apple owners in general, such as yourself. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I want them, not where Apple thinks they should be. You can put the music files wherever you want. Mine reside on my server, a non-apple product, and are accessible via all our devices, via hardwire, wi fi or via data sources off the premises. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On 12/20/15 5:17 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:55:49 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. I spent a lot of time trying to undo all that on mine. Never did get it all undone. The money I have left in the i-tunes account will be there forever. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Improperly removing a complex software package often leaves vestiges in directories you don't even know exist. Windows is well-known for this, even when you use the remove software facility. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:23:58 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote: In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. Apple is fine until you want to do something Apple didn't think you would do. Henc, my formerly Apple loving Dutch neighbor showed up with a Samsung Note and when I asked him why the change of heart, he said his "I-phone would not run his drone" |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:11:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H. I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows. I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under windows or apple OS? \ You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are in most businesses. So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers. Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a college student, I always recommend Apple if the person can afford it. It's just easier to use for the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now. It's not a disadvantage for future work however, since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except for the price. Apple sure gets its brand name out there among newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent view on their desks. ****ing effete snobs. I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a "PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or change how they operate other than in the options that the application may allow. When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just died. My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck with them. Apple is not a computer, it is a cult and people gang around the announcements like it was Star Wars. These days they are announcing something my wife had her Android a year or more ago. They still swoon. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:11:59 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:59:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2015 2:45 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:11:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big, 25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle". Can't you just say, "Siri, get a movie!"? I guess not on an iPad. I assume she is using Netflicks or something but I really don't know. I am not big into watching movies although once in a while the Turner Classic Movies channel (TMC) will have a great, old movie that I'll watch. Watched "The Dirty Dozen" again yesterday. I don't know where I picked up this trick, 'cause I sure don't have a smart phone. When the kids were here for Christmas, I'd divided leftover turkey into two bags. Then I asked the daughters if they had a coin. No. Could I use a phone to ask Siri a question. Yes. So I asked one daughter to call heads or tails. She called heads. I told Siri, "Siri, flip a coin." The next sound is Siri saying, "Tails." Neither of them knew of that. Couldn't believe I got 'em on something. Gee whiz ... 3mz dual core processor with 4 gig of ram and it can give you a random bit How cool. ;-) |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:13:45 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I want them, not where Apple thinks they should be. You can put the music files wherever you want. Mine reside on my server, a non-apple product, and are accessible via all our devices, via hardwire, wi fi or via data sources off the premises. AKA avoiding Apple when you can |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:43:26 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/20/15 5:17 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:55:49 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. I spent a lot of time trying to undo all that on mine. Never did get it all undone. The money I have left in the i-tunes account will be there forever. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Improperly removing a complex software package often leaves vestiges in directories you don't even know exist. Windows is well-known for this, even when you use the remove software facility. That is when you need to understand REGEDIT. It is cleaning the latrine with a toothbrush but it works. |
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wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:43:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/20/15 5:17 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:55:49 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. I spent a lot of time trying to undo all that on mine. Never did get it all undone. The money I have left in the i-tunes account will be there forever. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Improperly removing a complex software package often leaves vestiges in directories you don't even know exist. Windows is well-known for this, even when you use the remove software facility. That is when you need to understand REGEDIT. It is cleaning the latrine with a toothbrush but it works. It can also overdo the cleaning and require a reinstall on windoze -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
Interesting gun. I don't have one...
On 12/20/2015 6:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:13:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I want them, not where Apple thinks they should be. You can put the music files wherever you want. Mine reside on my server, a non-apple product, and are accessible via all our devices, via hardwire, wi fi or via data sources off the premises. AKA avoiding Apple when you can That was my conclusion. I tried using iTunes for my music files but found it to be convoluted and way too complex to use. I stored the music in folders I created and organized instead. I kept iTunes on all the computers (the Vista laptop and this Win 7) while I had the iMac and was trying to get used to it. When I got rid of the iMac I also got rid of iTunes. I remember once that iTunes automatically started changing mp3 extensions to mp4 which ****ed me off. The older Vista computer couldn't read mp4 so, in order to send a file via the wifi network from the iMac to the Vista, I had to manually change the extension back to mp3. Don't know why Apple decided to make that change. It started after one of the many iTunes "updates". |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2015 6:32 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:13:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I want them, not where Apple thinks they should be. You can put the music files wherever you want. Mine reside on my server, a non-apple product, and are accessible via all our devices, via hardwire, wi fi or via data sources off the premises. AKA avoiding Apple when you can That was my conclusion. I tried using iTunes for my music files but found it to be convoluted and way too complex to use. I stored the music in folders I created and organized instead. I kept iTunes on all the computers (the Vista laptop and this Win 7) while I had the iMac and was trying to get used to it. When I got rid of the iMac I also got rid of iTunes. I remember once that iTunes automatically started changing mp3 extensions to mp4 which ****ed me off. The older Vista computer couldn't read mp4 so, in order to send a file via the wifi network from the iMac to the Vista, I had to manually change the extension back to mp3. Don't know why Apple decided to make that change. It started after one of the many iTunes "updates". Yeah, it was really difficult. I set up a directory on my sever and pointed itunes at it. Whew! 😅 guess some would find that . . . Tough. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
Interesting gun. I don't have one...
On 12/20/2015 6:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 6:32 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:13:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I want them, not where Apple thinks they should be. You can put the music files wherever you want. Mine reside on my server, a non-apple product, and are accessible via all our devices, via hardwire, wi fi or via data sources off the premises. AKA avoiding Apple when you can That was my conclusion. I tried using iTunes for my music files but found it to be convoluted and way too complex to use. I stored the music in folders I created and organized instead. I kept iTunes on all the computers (the Vista laptop and this Win 7) while I had the iMac and was trying to get used to it. When I got rid of the iMac I also got rid of iTunes. I remember once that iTunes automatically started changing mp3 extensions to mp4 which ****ed me off. The older Vista computer couldn't read mp4 so, in order to send a file via the wifi network from the iMac to the Vista, I had to manually change the extension back to mp3. Don't know why Apple decided to make that change. It started after one of the many iTunes "updates". Yeah, it was really difficult. I set up a directory on my sever and pointed itunes at it. Whew! 😅 guess some would find that . . . Tough. I didn't say it was "tough". I said it ****ed me off because I didn't want them stored as mp4 files. I saved them as mp3 but iTunes decided they should be mp4. There was no notice of the change whenever they decided to start doing this. I discovered by accident that right clicking on the file allowed me to transfer it via the network as a mp3 rather than an mp4. Another one of those "intuitive" Apple things that you should just *know*, I guess. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2015 6:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 6:32 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:13:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I want them, not where Apple thinks they should be. You can put the music files wherever you want. Mine reside on my server, a non-apple product, and are accessible via all our devices, via hardwire, wi fi or via data sources off the premises. AKA avoiding Apple when you can That was my conclusion. I tried using iTunes for my music files but found it to be convoluted and way too complex to use. I stored the music in folders I created and organized instead. I kept iTunes on all the computers (the Vista laptop and this Win 7) while I had the iMac and was trying to get used to it. When I got rid of the iMac I also got rid of iTunes. I remember once that iTunes automatically started changing mp3 extensions to mp4 which ****ed me off. The older Vista computer couldn't read mp4 so, in order to send a file via the wifi network from the iMac to the Vista, I had to manually change the extension back to mp3. Don't know why Apple decided to make that change. It started after one of the many iTunes "updates". Yeah, it was really difficult. I set up a directory on my sever and pointed itunes at it. Whew! 😅 guess some would find that . . . Tough. I didn't say it was "tough". I said it ****ed me off because I didn't want them stored as mp4 files. I saved them as mp3 but iTunes decided they should be mp4. There was no notice of the change whenever they decided to start doing this. I discovered by accident that right clicking on the file allowed me to transfer it via the network as a mp3 rather than an mp4. Another one of those "intuitive" Apple things that you should just *know*, I guess. I make oldies mp3s CDS from iTunes for a buddy. Easy. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On 12/20/15 7:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2015 6:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 6:32 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:13:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Even when you download iTunes and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time. === That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories. It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it. You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I want them, not where Apple thinks they should be. You can put the music files wherever you want. Mine reside on my server, a non-apple product, and are accessible via all our devices, via hardwire, wi fi or via data sources off the premises. AKA avoiding Apple when you can That was my conclusion. I tried using iTunes for my music files but found it to be convoluted and way too complex to use. I stored the music in folders I created and organized instead. I kept iTunes on all the computers (the Vista laptop and this Win 7) while I had the iMac and was trying to get used to it. When I got rid of the iMac I also got rid of iTunes. I remember once that iTunes automatically started changing mp3 extensions to mp4 which ****ed me off. The older Vista computer couldn't read mp4 so, in order to send a file via the wifi network from the iMac to the Vista, I had to manually change the extension back to mp3. Don't know why Apple decided to make that change. It started after one of the many iTunes "updates". Yeah, it was really difficult. I set up a directory on my sever and pointed itunes at it. Whew! 😅 guess some would find that . . . Tough. I didn't say it was "tough". I said it ****ed me off because I didn't want them stored as mp4 files. I saved them as mp3 but iTunes decided they should be mp4. There was no notice of the change whenever they decided to start doing this. I discovered by accident that right clicking on the file allowed me to transfer it via the network as a mp3 rather than an mp4. Another one of those "intuitive" Apple things that you should just *know*, I guess. It's well-hidden in the help files: Choose import options Choose iTunes Preferences, click General, and click Import Settings. Choose an encoding format from the Import Using pop-up menu. AAC Encoder: Use for most music. You can listen to songs encoded using this format in iTunes, on iPhone and iPad, and on iPod models that come with a dock connector. AIFF Encoder: Use if you want to burn high-quality CDs with the songs you’re importing without losing audio quality. Apple Lossless Encoder: Use if you want to listen to imported songs on audiophile-quality sound systems without losing audio quality. (Songs imported using this format take up much more disk space.) MP3 Encoder: Use if you plan to listen to music in apps other than iTunes, or on MP3 players other than iPod, iPhone, or iPad. WAV Encoder: Use if you’ll be playing your songs on a computer that doesn’t have MP3 software. Choose a bit rate from the Setting pop-up menu (not available with Apple Lossless Encoder). In most cases, the default selection works well. If you chose MP3 Encoder, you can choose one of the following: Good Quality: Choose to fit more songs on a portable MP3 player with limited storage capacity. High Quality: Choose if you play music in a noisy environment. This setting creates files that are about 1 MB in size per minute of music. Higher Quality: Choose if you plan to create your own audio CDs or listen to your music with high-quality stereo speakers. Custom: Choose for greater control over the file size and sound quality. Of course, you might have to spend 30 seconds calling up the built in help file. |
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